"Paul Rubin" OK. Akhilovskaya claimed she departed the USSR in order to
pursue a personal relationship, not to change her political allegiance. So
by your definition, that's not a defection.

Gee ****wad, it is not by my definition, or her definition. It is by the
definition of her nation, the former USSR. By their definition, her
emigration was illegal and therefore a Defection.

You are a ****ing stump, and it is appropriate that your main hobby is
following around Sloan. I hope you get anal syphillis from your negro lover.

Paul Rubin wrote:
"Communist Stooge" writes:
it is not by my definition, or her definition. It is by the
definition of her nation, the former USSR. By their definition, her
emigration was illegal and therefore a Defection.

If her emigration was illegal, why did the USSR government give her
papers and let her leave again, after she went back to pick up her
daughter and her belongings? You do know that they did that, right?

That was years later. Perhaps you may have heard that the Berlin Wall
fell in 1990.

The politics of Paul Rubin is very strange. Are you still a Commie?
Early in the morning even before I woke up (I was right there,
remember) they caught a flight to Switzerland with the help of Larry
Christiansen. The US Embassy married them in the embassy and then put
them on a special flight to America.

How often do mere lovebirds get such high-level treatment from the US
Embassy?? It took me four years to get a green card for my wife.

Sam Sloan

Louis Blair wrote:
Statement by Phr
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7. John W. Donaldson and Elena Akhmilovskaya were (respectively)
a US and a then-Soviet player, who met at a series of international
chess tournaments in the 1980's and became romantically involved
at those events.

Another Commie lie.

I was at many of those events, especially Dubai 1986, and never once
did I catch them ****ing.

"samsloan" writes:
If her emigration was illegal, why did the USSR government give her
papers and let her leave again, after she went back to pick up her
daughter and her belongings? You do know that they did that, right?

That was years later. Perhaps you may have heard that the Berlin Wall
fell in 1990.

No, it wasn't years later. Why don't you ever research stuff yourself
and cite sources, instead of making up nonsense?

She ran off with Donaldson in November 1988 and returned to the USSR
in May 1989, which is not "years" and which is before 1990. And I
find no indication that there was ever an actual legal problem, just a
pile of bureaucratic obstacles and paperwork shuffling.

See: "Soviets To Let Chess Master's Daughter Emigrate", Bill C. Dugovich,
Seattle Times, June 6, 1989.

Also, the Berlin Wall fell in November 1989, not in 1990. Every
single factual assertion that you make about ANYTHING is suspect and
needs to be checked. See http://www.andreas.com/berlin.html, the
first Google hit for "Berlin wall fell", for the exact date.

"samsloan" writes:
I was at many of those events, especially Dubai 1986, and never once
did I catch them ****ing.

"When their romance began at a Cuban tournament in 1985, John
Donaldson and Elena Akhmilovskaya knew they faced great
difficulties. But they were surprised when the Soviet sports
community officially reprimanded Donaldson-Akhmilovskaya for
fraternizing with foreigners. The couple persevered, and after a
three-year long-distance romance, they decided to get married last
November in Greece."

--From pawn to queen one
A former Soviet chess master moves on the Oregon Open;
Casey Bush, The Oregonian, Portland, Or.: Aug 27, 1989.

Paul Ass-Rubin wrote:
"Paul Rubin" It depends on why they do it.

You are ****ing pathetic. It figures that someone like Sam Sloan would be
editing Sam Sloan's Wiki****pedia articles.

You lost all your credibility when you retconned a well-known, universally
accepted historical fact that is still true even today.

How sad that some mealy-mouthed mud-fish can change what was essentially a
very dangerous escape from a totalitarian government (DEFECTION) and call it
emigrating. In case you are not aware of this fact DUMB****, you are not an
immigrant when you don't have any LEGAL documents or authority to emigrate
from your homeland (SOVIET UNION). You are at best an illegal alien, but
since the USSR had specific laws against such actions, EA was a DEFECTOR.

So all of your craven Wiki****pedia activities will only change history and
the truth in the minds of those few who are so ignorant as to rely on
Wiki****pedia for their historical facts. Wikipedia has to be the biggest
source of misinformation in the entire world. An encyclopedia created by all
the trash of the universe.

Very well put, thank you.

Elena Akhlimovskaya, with the help of John Donalsdon, escaped from the
Soviet Union, a highly illegal and dangerous act, especially since
Greece, where the defection initiated, had a history of left-wing
governments and was not at all a reliable partner with the West.

It was amazing that they made it out. Many defectors who were
aprehended during that time were sent to the Gulags and never seen or
heard from again.

Sam Sloan

"samsloan" writes:
It was amazing that they made it out. Many defectors who were
aprehended during that time were sent to the Gulags and never seen or
heard from again.

"Elena Akhmilovskaya had returned to the Soviet Union from her home in
Seattle on May 26 to arrange an exit visa for Dana, the seven-year-old
daughter from her first marriage.

"This couldn't have happened five years ago," she said, seated with
her family in the back of a taxi as it drove away from Heathrow
Airport. "Even now I couldn't imagine that it would be so easy to get
every paper and every document. ...

The speedy processing of Dana's passport by the Soviet authorities
will enable her mother to compete in an international tournament
beginning Saturday in Britain.

Mother and daughter arrived at Heathrow with three pieces of luggage
and a large doll."

The Vancouver Sun. Vancouver, B.C.: Jun 16, 1989. pg. A.4

samsloan schrieb:

Elena Akhlimovskaya, with the help of John Donalsdon, escaped from the
Soviet Union, a highly illegal and dangerous act, especially since
Greece, where the defection initiated, had a history of left-wing
governments and was not at all a reliable partner with the West.

Nonsense. Greece had its problems with NATO, EC/EU and USA but it was
nowhere near of collaborating with the Soviet Union, so Greece was in
no way a problematic country when entering the West. A lot of
West-European countries have a history of "left-wing governments".

It was amazing that they made it out. Many defectors who were
aprehended during that time were sent to the Gulags and never seen or
heard from again.

You are aware that we are talking about the late 80s, when Gorbachev
had already established Perestroika and Glasnost? In 1988 the Soviet
Union officially gave up the Brezhnev doctrine, practically bringing
down the Iron Curtain.

Greetings,
Ralf

"Ralf Callenberg" In 1988 the Soviet Union officially gave up the Brezhnev
doctrine, practically bringing down the Iron Curtain.


But even then, a DEFECTOR was a defector. Just because this woman was a low
priority and did not get shot or persecuted should not change the history of
defections from the Soviet Union.

Paula Lemming wrote:

But even then, a DEFECTOR was a defector. Just because this woman was a low
priority and did not get shot or persecuted should not change the history of
defections from the Soviet Union.

At this time the Cold War was over, the Iron Curtain lifted. Several
Eastern European countries were already holding democratic elections,
had opened their borders to the west. All this happened with explicit
allowance from the Soviet leaders. To describe her leaving of the Soviet
Union as an heroic act is inappropiriate, it was more a burocratic act.
The details tell it: ordinary citizens were not shot in 1989 or were
about to be sent to Sibiria just because they wanted to leave the Soviet
Union.

Greetings,
Ralf