I played a game of chess on line where we had bishops of opposite
colors and my king was directly infront of his pawn blocking its
prorgess. I offered my opponent a draw, but he refused and continued to
play. He had a time advantage and was trying to run me out of time.

After fifty moves with out a pawn being moved or a capture being made I
claimed a draw under the fifty move rule and it was not granted. At
move 228 the game was foreited on time.

I asked for an adjucated draw based on my first timely draw request and
the fifty move rule as I understood it. I kept my temper; even though
my opponent had refused my draw request and had run me out of time and
asked him about it. He said that during play I had checked his king
several times and that each time that I checked him the fifty move
count had started over because a check was a sign of progress..

Had I know this, I could have easily played fifty moves with out ever
checking his king. Also, if we had been using a time delay, both of us
could have gained time on our clocks and still be playing right now.

As I understand it the fifty move draw rule, says nothing about time
remaining on either player's clock, checks given, or progress. I
further understand that the fifty move count may begin at any time in
the game and continues until a pawn move or a capture in made.

Maybe I will still get my draw, but this points out an interesting
chess program glitch where the program doesn't give an automatic fifty
move draw.

On 14 May 2006 19:16:59 -0700, wrote:

He said that during play I had checked his king
several times and that each time that I checked him the fifty move
count had started over because a check was a sign of progress..

Nonsense!

As I understand it the fifty move draw rule, says nothing about time
remaining on either player's clock, checks given, or progress. I
further understand that the fifty move count may begin at any time in
the game and continues until a pawn move or a capture in made.

That's right. Actually on every move that is not a pawn move or a
capture, the count increments. It resets to zero when there is a
capture or pawn move.

Maybe I will still get my draw, but this points out an interesting
chess program glitch where the program doesn't give an automatic fifty
move draw.

I don't know about playing on line, but show the score to the
director, if there is one. In actual games, you have to claim a draw
by 50 moves with the director.
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 22:46:46 -0400, Jud McCranie
wrote:

On 14 May 2006 19:16:59 -0700, wrote:

He said that during play I had checked his king
several times and that each time that I checked him the fifty move
count had started over because a check was a sign of progress..

Nonsense!

See 5.2.e: http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101
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In article .com,
wrote:

After fifty moves with out a pawn being moved or a capture being made I
claimed a draw under the fifty move rule and it was not granted. At
move 228 the game was foreited on time.

The server should have granted your claim. Your opponent is incorrect.
The 50 move count does not reset on a check.

-Ron

Ron wrote:
wrote:
After fifty moves with out a pawn being moved or a capture being
made I claimed a draw under the fifty move rule and it was not
granted. At move 228 the game was foreited on time.

The server should have granted your claim.

Indeed. I suggest you contact the server administrator to point out
this bug and/or move to a server that correctly implements the rules
of chess, such as FICS or, to the best of my knowledge, ICC or
Playchess.

(I was once surprised by FICS when I offered my opponent a draw in a
dead-level pawn endgame and my computer beeped, the display scrolled a
bit and the server informed me that I'd just correctly claimed a draw
by repetition.)


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I played a game of chess on line where we had bishops of opposite
colors and my king was directly infront of his pawn blocking its
prorgess. I offered my opponent a draw, but he refused and continued to
play. He had a time advantage and was trying to run me out of time.

After fifty moves with out a pawn being moved or a capture being made I
claimed a draw under the fifty move rule and it was not granted. At
move 228 the game was foreited on time.

Are you sure that there were no pawn moves?

Anyway, since the game lasted 228 moves I would think that there was almost
certainly a 50-move rule claim.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 22:49:14 -0400, Jud McCranie
wrote:

See 5.2.e: http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101

Article 10 also applies under FIDE rules if you have less than two
minutes to finish all of your moves and the opponent is making no
effort to win by "normal" means (i.e. winning material or checkmate -
only win on time).
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Some time back, a friend of mine and I tested the 50 move rule on ICC;
the game went something like: 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 Ng8 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Ng1
Ng8 5. Nf3 Nf6 ... After 51 moves we tried to claim a draw, and it was
not automatically granted. Unless something has changed, I don't think
the rule is enforced properly on ICC (we were using Blitzin for
windows, but I don't know if that matters...). I think some time before
that, I tried to claim a 50 move rule draw under similar circomstances
as cited above, and I eventually lost on time. When I asked an admin, I
was basically told to relax and just play, because 5-minute games
didn't matter anyway.

It would be interesting to try in on a regular rated game as mine was
to see what happens. My king was on a different colour from his bishop,
blocking his pawn's progress. The bishops were of opposite colors. I
kept my bishop away from his king though I did check him from time to
time. Checking was not a sign of progress for me as I only had a king
and a bishop. My opponent enjoyed the whole thing as apparently he knew
about the comuter glitch and I didn't. Now I play with a time delay;
the game will truly last forever.

Kevin wrote:
Some time back, a friend of mine and I tested the 50 move rule on
ICC; the game went something like: 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 Ng8 3. Nf3 Nf6
4. Ng1 Ng8 5. Nf3 Nf6 ... After 51 moves we tried to claim a draw,
and it was not automatically granted.

That's very poor. I don't actually know if FICS correctly implements
the fifty-move rule but, as I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I
know that it implements draws by repetition. (I was going to say
`correctly implements' but I've not tested whether or not it will
grant draws by repetition if *some* position has been repeated, rather
than the current position on the board.) The FICS help file claims
that both the fifty-move rule and threefold repetition are handled.


Unless something has changed, I don't think the rule is enforced
properly on ICC (we were using Blitzin for windows, but I don't know
if that matters...).

It shouldn't matter what interface you're using because this is a
server function. The interface just tells the server, `The player is
offering a draw' and the server either treats this as a claim of a
draw (if such a claim is valid) or passes the offer on to the opponent.


I think some time before that, I tried to claim a 50 move rule draw
under similar circomstances as cited above, and I eventually lost on
time. When I asked an admin, I was basically told to relax and just
play, because 5-minute games didn't matter anyway.

If 5-minute games don't matter, why does ICC have a specific rating
for 5-minute games?

(By the way, I hope your game was unrated as FICS, at least, classes
manipulation of the rated system by playing pre-arranged draws as
being abuse.)


Dave.

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