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Nick wrote:
Sam Sloan wrote: Meanwhile, the Chinese women have won every World Chess Olympiad by a wide margin since 1998, winning in 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004, usually never losing even a single game. Since an Olympiad lasts 14 rounds with three games per match, that means that the Chinese women went 42 games in each Olympiad without a single loss. If they only `usually' didn't lose any games, they can't have been undefeated in `each Olympiad'. How about doing some research instead of writing the first thing that comes into your head? The Chinese women are now so far ahead of the other countries that nobody can even imagine the Chinese team finishing anywhere other than first. At the 2006 Chess Olympiad, China's women's team is seeded only sixth (behind Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Hungary, and the United States) with a young team that includes Shen Yang (born in 1989) and Hou Yifan (born in 1994). None of China's three past or present FIDE World Champions will play for China at the 2006 Chess Olympiad. Do not confuse Sam Sloan with the facts. ;-) Dave. -- David Richerby Revolting Disgusting Flower (TM): www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a flower but it'll turn your stomach and turn your stomach! |
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"David Richerby" wrote in message ... Nick wrote: Sam Sloan wrote: Meanwhile, the Chinese women have won every World Chess Olympiad by a wide margin since 1998, winning in 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004, usually never losing even a single game. Since an Olympiad lasts 14 rounds with three games per match, that means that the Chinese women went 42 games in each Olympiad without a single loss. If they only `usually' didn't lose any games, they can't have been undefeated in `each Olympiad'. How about doing some research instead of writing the first thing that comes into your head? Depends on how many draws they made compared with the winning team's wins!. If you drew all games all the time, maybe you would finish half way down the table? Phil The Chinese women are now so far ahead of the other countries that nobody can even imagine the Chinese team finishing anywhere other than first. At the 2006 Chess Olympiad, China's women's team is seeded only sixth (behind Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Hungary, and the United States) with a young team that includes Shen Yang (born in 1989) and Hou Yifan (born in 1994). None of China's three past or present FIDE World Champions will play for China at the 2006 Chess Olympiad. Do not confuse Sam Sloan with the facts. ;-) Dave. -- David Richerby Revolting Disgusting Flower (TM): www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a flower but it'll turn your stomach and turn your stomach! |
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David Richerby wrote:
Nick wrote: Sam Sloan wrote: Meanwhile, the Chinese women have won every World Chess Olympiad by a wide margin since 1998, winning in 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004, usually never losing even a single game. Since an Olympiad lasts 14 rounds with three games per match, that means that the Chinese women went 42 games in each Olympiad without a single loss. If they only `usually' didn't lose any games, they can't have been undefeated in `each Olympiad'. How about doing some research instead of writing the first thing that comes into your head? David Richerby's question was addressed to Sam Sloan. As I recall, in fact, China's women's team lost at least one game in the 2004 Olympiad. The Chinese women are now so far ahead of the other countries that nobody can even imagine the Chinese team finishing anywhere other than first. At the 2006 Chess Olympiad, China's women's team is seeded only sixth (behind Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Hungary, and the United States) with a young team that includes Shen Yang (born in 1989) and Hou Yifan (born in 1994). I would hardly be surprised if China's women's team performs significantly better than its seeding indicates. Some young Chinese players may be improving faster than their ratings tend to show. None of China's three past or present FIDE World Champions will play for China at the 2006 Chess Olympiad. Do not confuse Sam Sloan with the facts. ;-) I lack the time to correct most of Sam Sloan's factual errors. I have been rather amused to find that Sam Sloan seems to have gained a reputation among many American readers in RGC* as an 'expert' on the Chinese culture(s) and language(s). As some Chinese friends of mine have said of most ignorant Americans: 'They will believe any nonsense about China.' --Nick |
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On 18 May 2006 14:29:33 -0700, "Nick"
wrote: I have been rather amused to find that Sam Sloan seems to have gained a reputation among many American readers in RGC* as an 'expert' on the Chinese culture(s) and language(s). "Many"? Really? Can Nick name some of these folks? As some Chinese friends of mine have said of most ignorant Americans: 'They will believe any nonsense about China.' What a coincidence. Some American friends of mine have said of most ignorant Chinese: 'They will believe any nonsense about America'. Might help Disney, I suppose -- oh, I forgot -- piracy. --Nick |
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Mike Murray wrote:
Mike Murray has a long record of writing insults, dishonest distortions, and lies to attack me personally. "Nick" wrote: I have been rather amused to find that Sam Sloan seems Please note that I wrote 'seems'. to have gained a reputation among many American readers in RGC* as an 'expert' on the Chinese culture(s) and language(s). "Many"? Really? Can Nick name some of these folks? Sam Sloan often has pontificated, posing as an 'expert', about the Chinese culture(s) and languages(s), making some statements that are dubious or incorrect. As far as I can recall, the other American writers in those threads did *not* dispute Sam Sloan's dubious or incorrect statements. Those American writers *seemed* to accept that Sam Sloan was writing knowledgeably in those threads. --Nick |
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On 18 May 2006 14:59:12 -0700, "Nick"
wrote: Mike Murray wrote: Mike Murray has a long record of writing insults, dishonest distortions, and lies to attack me personally. Nick Bourbaki has a long record of trolling, writing gratuitous insults, dishonest distortions and propaganda, inviting rebuttal by thoughtful readers. It just happened to be my turn to respond. "Nick" wrote: I have been rather amused to find that Sam Sloan seems Please note that I wrote 'seems'. to have gained a reputation among many American readers in RGC* as an 'expert' on the Chinese culture(s) and language(s). "Many"? Really? Can Nick name some of these folks? Sam Sloan often has pontificated, posing as an 'expert', about the Chinese culture(s) and languages(s), making some statements that are dubious or incorrect. Sloan's opinion as to his own expertise was not in question. As far as I can recall, the other American writers in those threads did *not* dispute Sam Sloan's dubious or incorrect statements. Those American writers *seemed* to accept that Sam Sloan was writing knowledgeably in those threads. "Seems"? Would Nick consider it valid to infer his *agreement* with any post to which he has not publicly disagreed?? Would *indifference* not equally fit the facts? --Nick |
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Nick wrote:
Mike Murray wrote: Mike Murray has a long record of writing insults, dishonest distortions, and lies to attack me personally. The evidence of Mike Murray's long record of insults, dishonest distortions, and lies is in the Google archives. I have offered to forward enough of that evidence about Mike Murray's abusiveness and dishonesty to some interested readers, such as Nick Cramer, who responded that it's unnecessary because he already had read enough of what Mike Murray has written to be able to assess Mike Murray. Mike Murray can keep writing his insults and lies against me, but I don't expect that he will be able to convince Nick Cramer that he's right about me. Mark Houlsby and Simon ('chapman billy') may not have much in common, yet they both share a deep disdain for Mike Murray, whom they regard as a pathological liar and an evident racist. "Nick" wrote: I have been rather amused to find that Sam Sloan seems Please note that I wrote 'seems'. With regard to Mike Murray's level of reading comprension, in the thread, 'Winter of Discontent', Mike Murray wrote: "By omitting the important qualifier, 'considering their lengthy reigns', Winter *clearly distorts* the meaning of Keene's claim. ..." --Mike Murray (9 May 2006) What Mike Murray perceives as a '*clear* distort(ion)' has been disputed independently by Taylor Kingston and Louis Blair, who have explained why they believe Mike Murray has misunderstood what has been written. What Mike Murray regards as 'clear' according to his reading comprehension is regarded as wrong by Taylor Kingston and Louis Blair, if also not by other readers. to have gained a reputation among many American readers in RGC* as an 'expert' on the Chinese culture(s) and language(s). "Many"? Really? Can Nick name some of these folks? Sam Sloan often has pontificated, posing as an 'expert', about the Chinese culture(s) and languages(s), making some statements that are dubious or incorrect. As far as I can recall, the other American writers in those threads did *not* dispute Sam Sloan's dubious or incorrect statements. Those American writers *seemed* to accept that Sam Sloan was writing knowledgeably in those threads. Many American writers have shown their eagerness to dispute Sam Sloan's perceived dubious or incorrect statements in general. Many American writers have shown their eagerness to point out that Sam Sloan's being ignorant, misleading, or untruthful about this issue or that issue. At least several American writers seem to enjoy pointing out about as often as possible that Sam Sloan's being wrong again--about anything. Then why have American writers, as far as I can recall, *not* been disputing some of Sam Sloan's dubious or incorrect statements about the Chinese culture(s) or language(s)? It seems to me that the most likely explanation is that those American writers, who usually like to criticise Sam Sloan, simply have *not been able to recognise* that Sam Sloan has been making dubious or incorrect statements about the Chinese culture(s) or language(s). Those American writers, apparently recognising their own ignorance about the Chinese culture(s) or language(s), seem to have implicitly deferred to Sam Sloan's greater 'knowledge' or 'expertise' about the Chinese culture(s) or language(s). Contrary to what Mike Murray might prefer that you believe, it's *not true* that American writers have been indifferent to Sam Sloan's dubious or incorrect statements. *If* those American writers had previously recognised that Sam Sloan has made some dubious or incorrect statements about the Chinese culture(s) or language(s), then I expect that Sam Sloan *already* would have been criticised by some American writers on account of that. --Nick |
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Mike Murray wrote:
"Nick" wrote: (snipped: I already have responded to it) As some Chinese friends of mine have said of most ignorant Americans: 'They will believe any nonsense about China.' What a coincidence. Some American friends of mine have said of most ignorant Chinese: 'They will believe any nonsense about America'. Might help Disney, I suppose -- oh, I forgot -- piracy. Some Chinese students have admitted to me that they used to accept, more or less, much of what was broadcast by the 'Voice of America'. After living and studying for enough years in the United States, however, they concluded that the 'Voice of America' tends to express propaganda more than facts. There are many more Chinese who have lived and studied in the United States than there are Americans who have lived and studied in China. There are many more Chinese who can read American books in English than there are Americans who can read Chinese books. By the way, for years Chinese students have consistently performed better than American students in international competitions (i.e. Olympiads) of mathematics and science. I doubt that anything now could stop many, perhaps most, Americans from perceiving the Chinese with racist condescension. But if a society's future is determined largely by its young people's education, then most Americans should consider becoming apparently less complacent about their future. --Nick |
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"Nick" wrote:
[ . . . ] I doubt that anything now could stop many, perhaps most, Americans from perceiving the Chinese with racist condescension. But if a society's future is determined largely by its young people's education, then most Americans should consider becoming apparently less complacent about their future. It's unfortunate that the public schools in the US are to a large degree abysmal, with a very high dropout rate. Asian children generally seem to outperform the rest here. There's little doubt in my mind that real family values are the major reason for that. BTW with regard to your recent post on the subject, Sloan and Murray have joined a select group of bozos in my killfile, so I don't even see their posts. -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ! |
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