jr wrote:

Dear Mr. Cerebus,

How did my prediction turn out? I suspect it
didn't take you long to discover who the haters are.

I've noticed "jr" has a prose style that's very like that of
"chesstours" (GM Larry Evans and his flunkey clerk Robert Cilweck).
It's also like that of the long-dead "wmiketwo" Parr-parrot.
"Chesstours" posting under the 'jr' screen name is a better match than
Parr. It also solves the main stumbling block with my 'wmiketwo'
identification of a few years ago - the time zone difference between
Parr's posts and those of 'wmiketwo'.

BLAIRBOT BLATHERS

Phil and jr are correct. Louie Blair is a
documented liar if one includes such practices as
quoting out of context, quoting jocose statements as
serious statements and deliberately missing messages
when making searches. We have provided several such
examples in the past and will do so in the future as
the desire strikes us.

Louie's searches no longer have credibility, and
his preposterous postings of statements yanked out of
context have been exampled.

Then there is the man's grammar, his ignorance of
basic moods in the English language, his weakminded
questions. One does not mind a liar quite so much if
he amuses, but when we must suffer a liar who gives
the snoozes, then we reach for the bullwhip like any
1820s Regency buck might do when protecting the honor
of his sister.

Trollope wrote some fine stuff on that theme.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
Well, Larry, if I am "taking the Fifth Amendment," it would appear
you are too. My offer to answer your questions is quite sincere, but I
do ask that you meet my conditions. For an habitual liar to insist that
only he may ask the questions is hardly fair.

wrote:
KINGSTON REPEATS HIMSELF

And I will also give the same answer to Mr. 2300+ Elo that
I gave before, to which he did not reply. Now we can all go
'round the mulberry bush once more.

Keene on Kingpin

From:
Date: Wed, May 24 2006 10:45 pm
Email: "
Groups: rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc

DECONSTRUCTING KINGSTON

NM Taylor Kingston, our self-proclaimed 2300+
ELO bottle of wine who is actually rated about 1800,
proclaims himself to be a man with "standards."

We sought to test those "standards" by asking
a series of simple questions (in the second person):

Heh, heh, heh. NM Kingston ain't answering these
questions. Instead, he has taken the Fifth Amendment,
while launching a counterattack. That attack amounts
to this: NM Kingston will tell us about what he
himself has done if this writer will talk about what
persons other than I have done!

Further, we get a sense of what he meant by
"standards" when adducing recent events as reasons why
he will not answer questions that have been around for
a longer period. He will not tell us what he was
doing as Xylothist five years back unless we comment
on what jr wrote five weeks back. The man picks
events that occurred AFTER his fake postings as
reasons why he cannot answer questions about what he
himself has done. As for why he could not answer
questons about whether he created a gallery of fake
names to assuage his ego before several of the events
below occurred -- well, our item wrapped in a skin
buttons the old lip-eroo.

Standards indeed!

Here is NM Kingston's counterattack. The
comments in multiple brackets are by me.

[[[[NM KINGSTON ON WHY HE WON'T TELL US WHETHER HE
POSTED UNDER FAKE NAMES IN PRAISE OF HIMSELF]]]]

Kingston: Larry, if you want the truth, you have to be willing
to give the truth. You are no more in a position to demand the
truth than Hitler was to complain about anti-Semitism. But I'll give
you a chance.

Larry, I will be happy to answer your questions once you meet
several conditions, by admitting various lies by you and certain
of your allies that long antedate the Kingpin matter. The questions
below have all been posed to you well before this, some years ago,
some many times. You've been ducking them ever since:


[[[[[NM KINGSTON, QUOTING THIS WRITER, WHO TRIES TO
BE FAIR WHEN DEALING WITH THE MAN]]]]]

Larry Parr claiming to be fair is like Linda Lovelace
claiming to be a virgin.

"Larry Parr claiming to be fair is like Linda Lovelace
claiming to be a virgin."
--Taylor Kingston

It seems to me that Larry Parr's claim to be fair
is unlike Linda Lovelace's claim to be a virgin.

The truth value of Ms Lovelace's claim depends on when
she made it, but how much does the truth value of Mr Parr's
claim depend on when he made it? We can be certain that
Ms Lovelace's claim was true--she was once a virgin--but
can we be as certain that Mr Parr's claim ever was true?

--Nick

We have stipulated repeatedly that his overall work as a
book reviewer is better than 90% of the stuff in chess
publications. Even NM Kingston's review of the Soltis
volume, which GM Ray Keene has so effectively savaged

Kingston: 1. You will admit that your and Keene's "savaging"
of that review was based on nothing but a lie, and you will agree
that the various ways your lie has been proven by Dr. Blair and
myself are entirely accurate. I will list those ways, and you will
admit to each.

[[[[[PARR: Notice, NM Kingston does not believe that
this writer and GM Keene savaged his review of the
Soltis volume. He argues that we cannot know whether
he posted under fake names in praise of himself unless
this writer agrees that Ray and yours truly did not
savage the review.]]]]]

Kingston: 2. You will acknowledge that your claims of multiple
voting in the recent Chessville poll are completely without basis,
and are motivated by malice, and you will apologize contritely to
all whom you accused.

[[[[[PARR: We asked whether NM Kingston voted in the
Evans poll, employing the same monickers that he has
used when pretending to have non-existent supporters
of his positions. His point is that he will not tell us whether
he invented fake names to praise himself unless we withdraw
our questions. His argument amounts to this:

"I, NM Kingston, may create lies such as Xylothist, Paulie Graf,
Niemand and others, but I would never use them to vote"]]]]]

Kingston: 3. Concerning your 2002 claim that "One of the sillier
things stated by Taylor Kingston in a ChessCafe piece was that no
one dared to defy Stalin's orders if he were in the dictator's grasp."
-- You will admit that I never wrote any such thing, but that you and
Larry Evans both did. You will admit that it was very silly of you to
do this.

[[[[[PARR: NM Kingston's point is that he will not tell us whether
he invented false names to praise himself -- creating non-existent
supporters to salve his ego -- unless this writer agrees with his
interpretation of how he bungled History 101 when writing a piece
involving chess and Stalin.]]]]]

Kingston: 4. You will acknowledge the lie "jr" made when he
pretended ignorance of my correspondence with Richard Laurie,
and you will reprimand him for it.

[[[[PARR: NM Kingston says that we must take his side in a
recent spat he had with jr. Otherwise, he will not tell us whether
he posted under fake names in praise of himself several years ago!
We learn a lot here about his "standards." As for why he could
not answer questions about his impersonations before jr and he had
the spat -- well, he keeps his oral cavity zipped on that one!]]]]]

Kingston: 5. Concerning Sam Sloan's 2005 claim that "Taylor
Kingston is involved with USCF Sales and is the perpetrator of
the blacklist," you will admit that Sam was completely wrong,
that you were wrong not reprimand him immediately, and you
will reprimand him for it now.

[[[[[PARR: NM Kingston is telling us that he
will not comment about whether under intellectual and
moral pressure, he invented Paulie Graf some five
years back to praise his own arguments unless we take
NM Kingston's side in a relatively recent spat with
Sam. As for why NM Kingston could not answer
questions about whether he invented fake names in
order to feel better himself before his spat with Sam
-- well, our NM maintains a stilled tongue.]]]]]

Kingston: 6. You will admit that it was highly misleading to claim
[[[[[in my book Viktors Pupols: American Master]]]]] that you
won an "international Swiss tournament" in 1970, since the event
was merely a typical local tournament involving no titled players.


[[[[[PARR: NM Kingston says that he will not let us know whether
he invented Niemand to praise himself and his positions unless I
pretend that the phrase "international Swiss tournament" meant the
same thing a quarter century ago that it does today. When I wrote
wrote that phrase, even a book on a Lone Pine tournament by
Jude Acers' volume) did NOT call it an international Swiss. If one
understands the phrase based on what it means today rather than
25 years ago, then I will certainly amend it if the book in question
is ever reprinted.]]]]]

Kingston: Of course, I'm letting you off easy,
since this is only a tiny portion of the many lies
you have told here. But life is too short to deal with
them all. Anyway, as the police captain said in LA
Confidential, "Reciprocity is the basis of any good
relationship." You want some truth, you gotta give some truth.

[[[[[NM Kingston is trying to explain that he cannot tell us whether
he invented several fake names to bolster his ego and to create fake
supporters unless we take his side in spats with others. He's a doozy,
that one.]]]]]

wrote:

..

At the moment, NM Kingston states that this
writer must take his side in some recent disputes with
jr and Sam Sloan before he answers my questions. Alas, he
does not care to address why he could not answer them
during all the years BEFORE these recent disputes.

(brummage aside) Years ago I met an American A'hole like Larry when I
was banged up for a time in a French prison. It was quite informative &
he btw got out before me though his _crime_ was much more serious. In
short & @ the urging of my French cohort I read him the riot act in our
three man cellule. Y'know what? - this yank 'poet' @ large on the Paris
streets conceeded a 2.5hr. grace period before continuing his ceaseless
babble. Me & the Frenchie were glad to see him given his own cellule &
shortly thereafter he exited the prison. My retained impression of this
American was & still is one of a complete & irredeemable A'hole. - Bit
like Sloan & Parr when I think about it. Moral:- Chaps, think twice
before wasting time with American A'holes..

Larry Parr wrote (28 May 2006 01:50:37 -0700):
... When we consider the steam hissing from his ears
as he changes subject headers -- well, we know we
wrote something truthful and good that scraped bone.
_
I wrote (29 May 2006 17:22:52 -0700):
What conclusion would we come to if we applied Parr
-logic to Larry Parr and his supporters?
_
"Louis Blair's essential dishonesty ..."
- Larry Parr (14 Jun 2005 09:00:03 -0700)
_
"LOUIS BLAIR IS A DOCUMENTED LIAR."
- jr (8 May 2006 11:33:49 -0700)
_
"Got **** yourselves, gentlemen, You may
quote me." - Phil Innes (Sat, 13 May 2006
00:15:18 GMT)

_
Larry Parr wrote (29 May 2006 19:38:42 -0700):

BLAIRBOT BLATHERS
_
Phil and jr are correct. Louie Blair is a documented
liar if one includes such practices as quoting out of
context, quoting jocose statements as serious
statements and deliberately missing messages
when making searches. We have provided several
such examples in the past and will do so in the
future as the desire strikes us.
_
Louie's searches no longer have credibility, and
his preposterous postings of statements yanked
out of context have been exampled.
_
Then there is the man's grammar, his ignorance of
basic moods in the English language, his weakminded
questions. One does not mind a liar quite so much if
he amuses, but when we must suffer a liar who gives
the snoozes, then we reach for the bullwhip like any
1820s Regency buck might do when protecting the honor
of his sister.
_
Trollope wrote some fine stuff on that theme.

_
By Parr-logic, it would seem that bone has been scraped
again. It has to be noted that Larry Parr is making no
effort to identify the supposed "DOCUMENTED" lie
mentioned by jr. Unlike Larry Parr, the desire strikes
me to provide some specifics now:
_
"Neil Brennen went so far as to suggest that
Mr. Hoffman ignore legitimate questions from
'hacks' like Larry Evans and yours truly. Yes,
'hack' was the word he used to describe the
5-time U.S. Champion and Hall of Famer."
- Larry Parr (20 May 2006 02:04:29 -0700)
_
_
"I have [checked my] own emails. I'll even post
it he
_
**************
Dear Mr. Hoffman,
_
Again, I'd suggest ignoring all email
from chesstours AKA Larry Evans.
And please be prepared for all of your
correspondence to appear on message
boards and newsgroups, courtesy
Evans and his pet hack Larry Parr.
_
Best wishes,
Neil Brennen
********************"
- Neil Brennen (24 May 2006 02:45:27 -0700)
_
I have not seen any more from Larry Parr on this matter
of GM Evans supposedly being called a "hack" by Neil
Brennen.
_
Another incident:
_
"... Duras-Teichman (Ostend, 1906) is a famous
game, and NM Kingston highlighted the best-known
position in this famous game. Whereupon, he
failed to tell the reader the most interesting thing
about ..." - Larry Parr (26 Apr 2006 19:05:22 -0700)
_
What Taylor Kingston actually wrote:
_
"It's interesting that Oldrich Duras gave up
chess in 1914 after marrying a wealthy
woman, but this has no relevance to his win
over Teichmann at Ostende 1906." - Taylor
Kingston
_
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review246.pdf
_
Another incident:
_
"Our Mr. Bauer would sooner take arsenic -- a
non-fatal, temporising dose to avoid a long
disussion of GM Keene's oeuvre, which he
earlier labelled as crap." - Larry Parr (17 Apr 2006
05:31:43 -0700)
_
"Even GM Keene and Phil Innes seemed to
perceive that Randy Bauer had only attacked
'some' of GM Keene's books ... Why does Larry
Parr write as if he see things differently?" - Louis
Blair (17 Apr 2006 14:42:19 -0700)
_
Without apologizing for his previous statement, Larry
Parr gave us a revised version of reality:
_
"Randy Bauer has gone from Ray Keene writing a
'few' good books out of 130 (what is few? my
Webster's gives 'a small number of') with 'the rest'
being crap (about 120 to 125) -- well, he has gone
from that initial smear to ..." - Larry Parr
(17 Apr 2006 14:49:54 -0700)
_
After much complaining, Larry Parr tried to defend
the second claim (without mentioning the first):
_
"... statement by Mr. Bauer,:
_
'Ray Keene wrote a few good books, and he
wrote some absolute crap. I wouldn't hold him
up as a paragon of chess writing virtue. There
are some Schiller books I would buy before
some of Keene's later efforts.'
...
My argument was that Mr. Bauer divided
GM Keene's oeuvre into two parts: ..."
- Larry Parr (24 Apr 2006 00:17:45 -0700)
_
I reminded Larry Parr about his earlier statement and
pointed out that there was no reference to "GM Keene's
oeuvre" in the actual Randy Bauer quote. I have not
seen Larry Parr say anything about the matter since
then.
_
Another incident:
_
"... Here, once again, are the questions NM Kingston
ignores. ...
1A: Did you vote as Xylothist in the Evans poll?
1B: ...
2A: Did you vote as Paulie Graf in the Evans poll?
2B: ...
3A: Did you vote as Niemand in the Evans poll?
3B: ..." - Larry Parr (24 May 2006 06:40:36 -0700)
_
Larry Parr failed to mention that Taylor Kingston had
ALREADY stated:
_
"I voted once -- period -- under my real name,
and did not place any more votes under that
name or any other." - Taylor Kingston
(19 May 2006 09:47:06 -0700)
_
Another incident:
_
"The evidence for this claim [that the 1927
Capa-Alekhine match did have a draw clause
at 5-5] is murky" - Larry Parr (22 May 2004
17:22:56 GMT)
_
"It was [Fischer] who made this claim, neither
Parr nor Evans" - Larry Parr (26 May 2004
03:57:19 GMT)
_
However, anyone can use google to find some previous
comments of Larry Parr on the matter:
_
"If Alekhine were leading 5-4 in games won
and Capa won a fifth game, then Capa would
have kept the title." - Larry Parr (14 Jun 2002
06:34:56 GMT)
_
"The weight of evidence that exists is
overwhelmingly on the side of Capablanca
procuring a 5-5 draw clause." - Larry Parr
(08 May 2003 02:49:59 GMT)
_
Another incident:
_
"The problem right now is that we do not
know precisely what Mr. Bauer considers
to be applicable questions during a polygraph
examination." - Larry Parr (16 Jan 2006
01:53:21 -0800)
_
In reality, Randy Bauer had already stated:
_
"Dr. Blair has the questions presented in
a fair and balanced manner below.
...
(1) Did you know of an impending cash
crunch resulting from a shortfall in the
six-figure area, while publicly denying
that you had heard of such a cash
crunch?
_
(2) Did you know the cost of the new
wooden building (with a brick veneer,
about 40 percent the size of the old
structure) would reach $650,000 and
keep this information from the public
because you did not believe USCF
members needed to know those
inconvenient facts?" - Randy Bauer
(Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:51:17 GMT)
_
Another incident:
_
"[Taylor Kingston] tells us that although he
posted under one pseudonym, Niemand, that
was successfully outed, he ..." - Larry Parr
(17 Jan 2006 18:19:04 -0800)
_
"Larry, we're still waiting for you to tell us who
'successfully outed' Niemand, and on what date.
... I've already said who it was that revealed
Niemand's identity (see earlier posts in this
thread). If you disagree, then put up your $10,000,
and tell me who you say it was, and when."
- Taylor Kingston (18 Jan 2006 05:41:14 -0800)
_
"[Kingston] states that I was sure about this
or that re Niemand, but I was actually confused
as to NM Kingston's position." - Larry Parr
(18 Jan 2006 18:56:25 -0800)
_
"If Larry Parr was 'actually confused', why did
he pose as someone who was in a position to
assert that TK told us Niemand was a
'successfully outed' pseudonym" - Louis Blair
(19 Jan 2006 06:28:59 -0800)
_
Another incident:
_
"Karpov's 1975 acceptance of the title IS almost
universally considered to have been reasonable."
- Louis Blair (Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:39:45 -0500)
_
_
"Mr. Blair is an old snipper. He shifts ground and
now uses an 'is.' Earlier, he wrote utter nonsense
about the mood back in 1975." - Larry Parr
(14 Jun 2002 06:34:56 GMT)
_
_
"A complete falsehood from Larry Parr, and, in
order to see this we need only consult one of
Larry Parr's own previous notes.
_
From MR. BLAIR SHIFTS THE ISSUE posted
by Larry Parr on 10 Jun 2002 12:12:30 GMT:
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
[[[[[Mr. Blair]]]]
(2) An action that is almost universally 'is'
considered to have been reasonable
and which, in any case, took place
2-3 years after Fischer stopped playing.
_
[[[[[What action? Stripping Fischer of the
FIDE crown in 1975? Mr. Blair is either
lying or speaking ahistorically when writing
that this action was 'almost universally 'was'
considered to have been reasonable.'
Millions of players ...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
_
As we can all see, LARRY PARR'S OWN
NOTE showed me using the word 'is' and
Larry Parr choosing instead to talk about
what 'was' in his response." - Louis Blair
(Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:34:15 -0500)

LINDA WHO?

"Larry Parr claiming to be fair is like Linda Lovelace
claiming to be a virgin." --Taylor Kingston

Nick:

"It seems to me that Larry Parr's claim to be fair
is unlike Linda Lovelace's claim to be a virgin.

The truth value of Ms Lovelace's claim depends on when
she made it, but how much does the truth value of Mr Parr's
claim depend on when he made it? We can be certain that
Ms Lovelace's claim was true--she was once a virgin--but
can we be as certain that Mr Parr's claim ever was true?"


It's may be quite difficult to determine if or when Larry Parr is
telling the truth, as he is sometimes vague and sometimes just plain
lucky. But it's easy to tell when Larry Parr is lying -- his lips
move!


Larry Parr:

"Louie Blair is a documented liar if one includes such practices as
quoting out of context, quoting jocose statements as serious statements
and deliberately missing messages when making searches."


I think I may know an example of what LP is complaining about above.
One of Mr. Parr's famous statements on some issue was in fact what he
calls "jocose", though I am embarassed to admit, I *failed* to realise
this for a very long time, taking what he wrote dead serious. My
theory is that the Nutty Prrofessor has probably made the same mistake
I did, though he has yet to realise his error. That is hardly "lying";
it's misunderstanding.
IMO, the blame for such a misunderstanding cannot rightly be placed
entirely on the reader, though I will say that Mr. Parr has (to my
knowledge) only *rarely* failed to make his point clear. In this
particular case, my recognition of error came as a result of Jr
parrotting and commenting upon the quote, and LP's next reply. I read,
and then re-read these postings, then suddenly smacked my palm to my
forehead, and regurgitated the famous Sammy Reshevsky quote: "Stupid!"

This whole mess could have been cleared up at any time if Larry Parr
had chosen to do so, but for some reason or other he has decided to
instead list this probable misunderstanding by Louis Blair as a
*deliberate* misrepresentation of what he wrote. This is yet another
example of a lack of integrity, of the ends justifying the means for LP
& Co., Inc. And so it goes.

-- help bot

The Historian wrote:

"I've noticed "jr" has a prose style that's very like that of
"chesstours" (GM Larry Evans and his flunkey clerk Robert Cilweck).
It's also like that of the long-dead "wmiketwo" Parr-parrot.
"Chesstours" posting under the 'jr' screen name is a better match than
Parr. It also solves the main stumbling block with my 'wmiketwo'
identification of a few years ago - the time zone difference between
Parr's posts and those of 'wmiketwo'. "


It doesn't seem likely to me. Larry Evans would hardly come here
just to mindlessly parrot Larry Parr's nonsense; he's better than that,
I should hope.

I don't know anything about "flunkey clerks" -- hey, that sounds an
awful lot like Jason Repa! You wouldn't happen to beat people up at
tournaments and, you know, put them in their places, that sort of
thing? Hmm... better check out the time zones. No, wait -- Repa is in
the Twilight zone, while you are Eastern Standard.


-- help bot

help bot wrote:

HOLY MACKEREL

"You will discover that most of the attacks against Parr come
from a trio of Edward Winter followers...". -- Jr

I get the impression that Jr is deliberately trying to mislead
readers by tossing out a Red Herring; what on Earth could Edward Winter
have to do with "most of" the criticism of Larry Parr?

For example, take the last post of Louis Blair, in which he complains
about the "logic" of LP as apllied back upon himself and his loyal
"supporters". This would seem to originate, not with Edward Winter,
but with the concept of self-contradiction (which, for those who may
not know, long existed prior to EW).

One would expect this sort of thing to be self-evident to Jr, as he
recently posted a complaint about Taylor Kingston not answering LP's
"questions"; such questions as relate to decency, honesty, integrity --
that sort of thing.

THE PARRIAN BROTHERHOOD

OTOH, as Jr is a staunch supporter of Larry Parr, and as LP has
repeatedly attacked anons like himself as somehow lacking in integrity,
it comes as no surprise when Jr takes off on a wrong track, apparently
wanting to portray LP critics as being under the control of some
sinister mastermind.
Failure to notice the attack on his own kind, on the entire anon
species, while continuing to mindlessly support the attacker, is
further evidence of Jr's general lack of... what is the word?

'Descrimination' - (bot) - there are others, such as 'integrity' for
example but @ the moment I'm disinclined to belabour. "Descrimination"
_is_ the wurd @ hand..

The Historian wrote:

jr wrote:

Dear Mr. Cerebus,

How did my prediction turn out? I suspect it
didn't take you long to discover who the haters are.

I've noticed "jr" has a prose style that's very like that of
"chesstours" (GM Larry Evans and his flunkey clerk Robert Cilweck).
It's also like that of the long-dead "wmiketwo" Parr-parrot.
"Chesstours" posting under the 'jr' screen name is a better match than
Parr. It also solves the main stumbling block with my 'wmiketwo'
identification of a few years ago - the time zone difference between
Parr's posts and those of 'wmiketwo'.

Yes, yes, - but only for tonightt. It would seem to me that "wmiketwo"
is easily brocken into three (3) units. (1): W
(2): Mike
(3): Two..
This only leavves "W" up for grabs & decipherment - No?..

LOVIN' IT

You always know when you have pushed the
rave button. I love it when these guys go zoiko.
A case in point from one of our anonymice who
dubs himself "Michael Adams."

Oh fuk. OMG - I did a "you're" when it should've
been 'your' in my
previous post. Fuk, fuk, fuk fukky-fuk. How _will_ I
live this 'howler'
down ? - oh fuk. Let's see. That prize C over there
in Malaysia is
having a _go_ @ my good maite (bot) over there in
Iowa. Mmm..
Weak - I know. What I said about those parasites in
&around the USCF
was heartfelt &sound, from the 'heartland' so to
speak. Preferrable for
the dirty coterie to be safely ensconced in 'cross
to bear' than
strutting their 'stuff' on fifth ave. The locals
will sort the perverts
from good citizen 'jo'. Fuk, maybe Phil will come
&lay hands 'pon me
shattered frame. "your'es" for "your" - omg.