Kramer won this game today in 15 moves. Can someone tell me why Jobava
resigned in the final position? What happens after 16 Bd2, Bb4 17 Rc1?

Thanks for your help. A very quick look at Fritz on my part was of little
assistance, with first Black then White seemingly having the edge.
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What happens after 16 Bd2, Bb4 17 Rc1?

17...Nxd2 18. Nxd2 Qc5

That much seems clear. White's g-pawn and e-pawn look destined to fall.
When the smoke clears, White will be up a piece (+3.25) but down four
pawns (-4.00) and the bishop pair (-.50). Additionally, he lacks king
safety, there's a pressing attack on the c3 knight, and Black has two
outside passed pawns.

As Black I easily scored a draw here against a top chess engine. If I
spent more than 10 minutes, I might have scored a win.

An analysis appears in the Round 6 ChessBase.com wrap-up of the game. It is
felt Jobava's resignation was a bit premature.
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What happens after 16 Bd2, Bb4 17 Rc1?

17...Nxd2 18. Nxd2 Qc5

That much seems clear. White's g-pawn and e-pawn look destined to fall.
When the smoke clears, White will be up a piece (+3.25) but down four
pawns (-4.00) and the bishop pair (-.50). Additionally, he lacks king
safety, there's a pressing attack on the c3 knight, and Black has two
outside passed pawns.

As Black I easily scored a draw here against a top chess engine. If I
spent more than 10 minutes, I might have scored a win.

Ian Burton wrote:
An analysis appears in the Round 6 ChessBase.com wrap-up of the game. It is
felt Jobava's resignation was a bit premature.

Here's what the unnamed annotator(s) say: "Black is clearly better
after this piece sacrifice, though we cannot quickly explain why it
justifies White's resignation." They admit they were hurried and don't
explicitly state his resignation was premature.

Back to White's positional disadvantages:

That much seems clear. White's g-pawn and e-pawn look destined to fall.
When the smoke clears, White will be up a piece (+3.25) but down four
pawns (-4.00) and the bishop pair (-.50). Additionally, he lacks king
safety, there's a pressing attack on the c3 knight, and Black has two
outside passed pawns.

Computer analysis shows White could keep his remaining material for
awhile, but how could he achieve a draw with these weaknesses against
Kramnik? Against Kramnik, do you play on hoping for a blunder?

Ian Burton wrote:

Kramer won this game today in 15 moves.

Kramnik? :-)

Can someone tell me why Jobava
resigned in the final position?

The moves! The moves!

Please, post the score of the game (the moves! :-)
or a link with the score.

Thank you,

Wlod

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) napisal(a):

The moves! The moves!

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.a3 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Bd2 Nf6
8.Qc2 c5 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.b4 Be7 11.e4 Nc6 12.Bf4 0-0 13.Rd1 Qc8 14.e5
Nxb4! 15.axb4 Ne4 0-1

15...Ne4 Deep Junior 10: 1) 16.Rd3 (Deep Junior 10: 2) 16.Bd2 Bxb4
17.Rc1 Nxd2 18.Qxd2 Qc5 19.Ng1 Rfd8 20.Qe3 Qxe3+ 21.fxe3 Rac8 22.Nge2
Rc4 -1.55/16 ; Deep Junior 10: 3) 16.Rc1 Bxb4 -1.48/6 ; Deep Shredder
10: 1) 16.Rd3 Bxb4 17.Bd2 Qc5 18.Re3 Rfd8 19.Bd3 Nxc3 20.Bxh7+ Kf8
21.0-0 Rac8 -2.09/15 ; Deep Shredder 10: 2) 16.Rd4 Qxc3+ 17.Qxc3 Nxc3
18.Bd2 Ne4 19.Bd3 Nxd2 20.Kxd2 Rfd8 21.Rxd8+ -2.26/15 ; Deep Shredder
10: 3) 16.Bd2 Bxb4 17.Rc1 Nxd2 18.Nxd2 Qc5 19.Be2 Rac8 20.Ndb1 Qd5
21.Bf3 Qxe5+ 22.Qe2 Rxc3 23.Nxc3 Bxc3+ 24.Kf1 Bxf3 25.Qxf3 Rc8 -2.24/14
) 16...Bxb4 17.Bd2 Qc5 18.Re3 Nxd2 19.Nxd2 Rac8 20.Ndb1 Rfd8 21.h4 Bd5
22.Rhh3 -1.24/16


Please, post the score of the game (the moves! :-)
or a link with the score.


http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3274

Jerzy wrote:

Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) napisal:

The moves! The moves!

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7
5.a3 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.Bd2 Nf6 8.Qc2 c5
9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.b4 Be7 11.e4 Nc6 12.Bf4 0-0
13.Rd1 Qc8 14.e5 Nxb4! 15.axb4 Ne4 0-1

[...]


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Thank you, Jerzy,

Wlod(ek)

Computer analysis shows White could keep his remaining material for
awhile, but how could he achieve a draw with these weaknesses against
Kramnik? Against Kramnik, do you play on hoping for a blunder?

Yes I do ! in the past few years Kramnik has made some horrible blunders,
which he attributed to his health problems !?

Gilles Garrigues wrote:
awhile, but how could he achieve a draw with these weaknesses against
Kramnik? Against Kramnik, do you play on hoping for a blunder?

Yes I do ! in the past few years Kramnik has made some horrible blunders,
which he attributed to his health problems !?

I didn't know about his arthritis. You've played some interesting games
yourself at Capelle La Grande, so your opinion has some weight.