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Paul Jordan wrote:
In my experience, FICS provides an unpleasant, abusive environment for those seeking an online chess experience, and its administrators seriously aggravate the problem. In my experience, people on FICS are extremely helpful. I've never used the service as a guest, though, so I can't comment on the guest help channels. I'm sorry to hear that a registered user was sending abusive messages to you -- that has happened to me only rarely in something like 1500 games. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:31:26 UT From: To: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators You being the victim of abuse does not mean you have to be abusive in public channels. You know, the first thing that crossed my mind when you explained what had happened was, `I bet he was abusive back.' Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators To: , , To Whom it May Concern, (1) You have not established that I was "abusive in public channels"; The admins have access to the channel logs. I imagine they read them before replying to your mail. (2) Being the victim of abuse does not mean that in responding to abuse with intolerance and contempt, I am myself being "abusive" `Responding with intolerance and contempt' sounds like a euphemism for being abusive or, at least, rude to me. Why do you expect people to help you when you're being rude to them? Dave. -- David Richerby Happy Sword (TM): it's like a www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ razor-sharp blade that makes your troubles melt away! |
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Paul Jordan wrote:
In my experience, FICS provides an unpleasant, abusive environment for those seeking an online chess experience, and its administrators seriously aggravate the problem. A copy of correspondence follows: I've played over 100 games on FICS and encountered only one abusive player and one cheater. In both cases, the admins took action within a week. I then sent my own brief queries to channels 4 and 53, Guest_Help and Guest_Chat, noting that I was playing an abusive opponent and asking Use channel 1 for help. The few replies I received were not only nonresponsive, but also provocative. For example, I was told that if I "read all of the help files" that "most" of the answers to these questions would be found. I replied that, while true, reading all of the help files was an On Channel 1 they would almost certainly have told you to type "help abuse", which explains what's abuse and how to report abusive users. I also pointed out that FICS did not want to gain a reputation as a service that refused to police its community of registered users, simply because the victim of abuse was a guest rather than registered, as this would discourage new users surveying the system as guests. That is like walking around McDonalds and telling random customers that your coffee is too hot. Use channel 1 to speak to administrators or service representatives. You being the victim of abuse does not mean you have to be abusive in public channels. Have a look at "help abuse". abuse(*) (3) I cannot read the "help abuse" file It's hard to judge. As you've never read "help abuse", you may even be violating the rules without realizing it. They're posted here on the web: http://www.freechess.org/Help/HelpFiles/abuse.html I was, of course, prepared to give them considerably more time than one day to respond. However, after receiving the following perverse reply because as I have already pointed out, your abusive administrators have the sole one received to date) does NOT impress me. the service is merely pretentious in advancing claims of being an improvement The admins are unpaid volunteers. If you want to have a good time on FICS, how about something simple. Read the abuse pages, then send a diplomatic note to the admins: "Now I've read over your abuse pages and I realize **making public accusations against another player** violates the rules. If you restore my access, I'll be careful about that in the future. However, users xxxx was using profanity which upset me and is definitely considered abuse per your own pages. Imagine if a child was watching. Could you please do something about this? User yyyy also found user xxxx to be abusive." Be sure to add him to your noplay and ignore lists. Use !abuse in your formula, going forward. Good luck, and sorry you had a rough experience. |
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Paul Jordan wrote:
OMG - this is the worse daymare (nightmare) imaginable. I managed to digest about (2/3) two-thirds of Paul's lamentable screed before going to post. Pls. lads, fully read Paul's posting which I've top-posted on (I know). FICS _is_ something horrific & ghastly relative to ex ICC'rs. We don't like you FICS - y'hear!.. In my experience, FICS provides an unpleasant, abusive environment for those seeking an online chess experience, and its administrators seriously aggravate the problem. A copy of correspondence follows: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators To: , , To Whom It May Concern, I recently began using FICS. On Monday, August 7, 2006 I was playing a game with a registered user, "superber", when the user in question began sending maniacal and abusive text messages. Many of the messages were not fully intelligible, since they were apparently laden with profanity which your system replaced with characters such as "!@#$!!", but there was enough non-obscene material "e.g., "Hahahahaha, $#%! in your face, loser" to identify the text as clearly abusive. I then sent my own brief queries to channels 4 and 53, Guest_Help and Guest_Chat, noting that I was playing an abusive opponent and asking how to, first, filter out this user's text messages so that I did not have to read them, and second, how to report this user to system administrators. The few replies I received were not only nonresponsive, but also provocative. For example, I was told that if I "read all of the help files" that "most" of the answers to these questions would be found. I replied that, while true, reading all of the help files was an inefficient way to get answers to a couple of basic and well-defined questions. I also noted that it seemed odd that, with so many users online and being reached in these two channels, nobody had a sincere, useful answer to sincere, basic questions. I was then told that there was no promise of "sincere, useful answers". I was also told that if I wanted the answers to these questions that I should register, and also that if I wanted to report abuse by a registered FICS user ("superber") I must register. I pointed out that, due to the fact that my Internet service comes through a university library [public access, no email account], the terms of FICS do not permit me to register. I also pointed out that FICS did not want to gain a reputation as a service that refused to police its community of registered users, simply because the victim of abuse was a guest rather than registered, as this would discourage new users surveying the system as guests. I then received a private text message from another registered user saying: "You are the most stupid guy here, you smart ass." At about this point, I found that my connection had been severed by something termed "superintellect". When I attempted to login to FICS as a guest again, I found that all access to FICS had been blocked from my location. The location in question is the Fletcher Library on the Arizona State University (West) campus. There are about 50 computers at this site, and now not one of them, used by anyone, can access FICS. This response is inappropriate, considering the fact that *I* was the victim of the abuse, and merely expressed frustration with a queer inability to get two simple questions addressed, as well as the sudden multiplication of irrationally hostile accounts at your site once I had complained about the original malefactor "superber". The response would be disproportional even if I had committed a serious abuse of your site, as "superber" did (and I did not). Is the registered user "superber" still a member in good standing of your site? Because now *I*, who actually want to use the site for its designated purpose of playing chess, have no access. Please rectify this situation by: (a) Censuring or terminating the abusive registered account "superber"; (b) unblocking access to your site from Fletcher Library computers; (c) carefully evaluating the list of those with access to powerful administrative tools which permit such blocks, as well as reviewing the procedures in place for using such tools, to determine if the requirements now imposed for the use of such tools are sufficient to prevent their abuse. At the moment, I am satisfied to deal with this matter privately with the administrators of FICS. If my concerns and complaints are not addressed in a timely and satisfactory manner, I shall take the issue, starting with this email, to the public forums of the Internet. Sincerely, Paul Jordan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I was, of course, prepared to give them considerably more time than one day to respond. However, after receiving the following perverse reply from last night, and no other replies from FICS, I have decided that FICS needs a kick in the pants to wake it up: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:31:26 UT From: To: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators You being the victim of abuse does not mean you have to be abusive in public channels. Have a look at "help abuse". abuse(*) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To which I responded as follows: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators To: , , To Whom it May Concern, (1) You have not established that I was "abusive in public channels"; (2) Being the victim of abuse does not mean that in responding to abuse with intolerance and contempt, I am myself being "abusive": accurate criticisms of abuse do not themselves constitute "abuse" in any reasonable sense of the term applying in the present context. All of MY comments we (a) justified, and (b) accurate. (3) I cannot read the "help abuse" file, or any other FICS file, because as I have already pointed out, your abusive administrators have blocked all guest access to FICS from the 50 or so computers at the library I use for Internet access. So far, the response from FICS to my complaints (your response being the sole one received to date) does NOT impress me. Sincerely, Paul Jordan [copy of quoted correspondence deleted] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I might add that, every time I have logged onto FICS (about half a dozen times), I have seen (in public channels) various kinds of coarse and abusive remarks/conversations/flame-wars, seeming to go on and on. There was never the slightest indication that FICS administrators were concerned about, or were taking any action in response to, those accounts and their comments. However, inasmuch as they were not directed at me, I had simply ignored them as best as I was able to. Note that, as much as I would like to register at FICS, (or rather, would have liked to, before this happened), I cannot, because my email service is Yahoo, and the provider of Internet access is a university library which does not give email accounts to users who are members of the general public rather than students or faculty. Until FICS admits and rectifies its errors, the service is merely pretentious in advancing claims of being an improvement on broader-based public Internet chess sites (like Yahoo). Indeed, Yahoo administrators, though lackadaisical about online abuse, at least do not seriously compound that abuse, as FICS does, by blaming the victim and locking out a whole public site simply because the true comments of that victim proved embarrassingly on-target. Paul Jordan |
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Well, as they say, you get what you pay for. ICC isn't free, but the site is
top notch. No better place to play chess. "Paul Jordan" wrote in message oups.com... In my experience, FICS provides an unpleasant, abusive environment for those seeking an online chess experience, and its administrators seriously aggravate the problem. A copy of correspondence follows: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators To: , , To Whom It May Concern, I recently began using FICS. On Monday, August 7, 2006 I was playing a game with a registered user, "superber", when the user in question began sending maniacal and abusive text messages. Many of the messages were not fully intelligible, since they were apparently laden with profanity which your system replaced with characters such as "!@#$!!", but there was enough non-obscene material "e.g., "Hahahahaha, $#%! in your face, loser" to identify the text as clearly abusive. I then sent my own brief queries to channels 4 and 53, Guest_Help and Guest_Chat, noting that I was playing an abusive opponent and asking how to, first, filter out this user's text messages so that I did not have to read them, and second, how to report this user to system administrators. The few replies I received were not only nonresponsive, but also provocative. For example, I was told that if I "read all of the help files" that "most" of the answers to these questions would be found. I replied that, while true, reading all of the help files was an inefficient way to get answers to a couple of basic and well-defined questions. I also noted that it seemed odd that, with so many users online and being reached in these two channels, nobody had a sincere, useful answer to sincere, basic questions. I was then told that there was no promise of "sincere, useful answers". I was also told that if I wanted the answers to these questions that I should register, and also that if I wanted to report abuse by a registered FICS user ("superber") I must register. I pointed out that, due to the fact that my Internet service comes through a university library [public access, no email account], the terms of FICS do not permit me to register. I also pointed out that FICS did not want to gain a reputation as a service that refused to police its community of registered users, simply because the victim of abuse was a guest rather than registered, as this would discourage new users surveying the system as guests. I then received a private text message from another registered user saying: "You are the most stupid guy here, you smart ass." At about this point, I found that my connection had been severed by something termed "superintellect". When I attempted to login to FICS as a guest again, I found that all access to FICS had been blocked from my location. The location in question is the Fletcher Library on the Arizona State University (West) campus. There are about 50 computers at this site, and now not one of them, used by anyone, can access FICS. This response is inappropriate, considering the fact that *I* was the victim of the abuse, and merely expressed frustration with a queer inability to get two simple questions addressed, as well as the sudden multiplication of irrationally hostile accounts at your site once I had complained about the original malefactor "superber". The response would be disproportional even if I had committed a serious abuse of your site, as "superber" did (and I did not). Is the registered user "superber" still a member in good standing of your site? Because now *I*, who actually want to use the site for its designated purpose of playing chess, have no access. Please rectify this situation by: (a) Censuring or terminating the abusive registered account "superber"; (b) unblocking access to your site from Fletcher Library computers; (c) carefully evaluating the list of those with access to powerful administrative tools which permit such blocks, as well as reviewing the procedures in place for using such tools, to determine if the requirements now imposed for the use of such tools are sufficient to prevent their abuse. At the moment, I am satisfied to deal with this matter privately with the administrators of FICS. If my concerns and complaints are not addressed in a timely and satisfactory manner, I shall take the issue, starting with this email, to the public forums of the Internet. Sincerely, Paul Jordan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I was, of course, prepared to give them considerably more time than one day to respond. However, after receiving the following perverse reply from last night, and no other replies from FICS, I have decided that FICS needs a kick in the pants to wake it up: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:31:26 UT From: To: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators You being the victim of abuse does not mean you have to be abusive in public channels. Have a look at "help abuse". abuse(*) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To which I responded as follows: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Jordan" Subject: Abuse by registered users and administrators To: , , To Whom it May Concern, (1) You have not established that I was "abusive in public channels"; (2) Being the victim of abuse does not mean that in responding to abuse with intolerance and contempt, I am myself being "abusive": accurate criticisms of abuse do not themselves constitute "abuse" in any reasonable sense of the term applying in the present context. All of MY comments we (a) justified, and (b) accurate. (3) I cannot read the "help abuse" file, or any other FICS file, because as I have already pointed out, your abusive administrators have blocked all guest access to FICS from the 50 or so computers at the library I use for Internet access. So far, the response from FICS to my complaints (your response being the sole one received to date) does NOT impress me. Sincerely, Paul Jordan [copy of quoted correspondence deleted] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I might add that, every time I have logged onto FICS (about half a dozen times), I have seen (in public channels) various kinds of coarse and abusive remarks/conversations/flame-wars, seeming to go on and on. There was never the slightest indication that FICS administrators were concerned about, or were taking any action in response to, those accounts and their comments. However, inasmuch as they were not directed at me, I had simply ignored them as best as I was able to. Note that, as much as I would like to register at FICS, (or rather, would have liked to, before this happened), I cannot, because my email service is Yahoo, and the provider of Internet access is a university library which does not give email accounts to users who are members of the general public rather than students or faculty. Until FICS admits and rectifies its errors, the service is merely pretentious in advancing claims of being an improvement on broader-based public Internet chess sites (like Yahoo). Indeed, Yahoo administrators, though lackadaisical about online abuse, at least do not seriously compound that abuse, as FICS does, by blaming the victim and locking out a whole public site simply because the true comments of that victim proved embarrassingly on-target. Paul Jordan |
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Websurfer wrote:
Well, as they say, you get what you pay for. They also say that the best things in life are free. There's little point in quoting proverbs as there's almost always a contradictory one that someone can snipe back with. Dave. -- David Richerby Strange Cheese (TM): it's like a lump www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ of cheese but it's totally weird! |
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