The Historian wrote:

I do wish Mr. Parr would learn to read. The Innes Pledge states only
that the pledge-taker will not respond to the posts and emails of
Philip Keith Innes. I later extended it to cover the postings of the
pseudo-Innes Rob Mitchell. Alas, only Larry Tapper and I have taken the
pledge.


Psuedo-Innes Rob Mitchell? Are you suggesting that
RM is actually Phil Innes, or that he is nearly as obtuse?

It would appear that I missed an entire thread -- the one
in which the Innes Pledge was presumably discussed at
length.

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g4 wrote:

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Larry Parr pretends not to read what The Nutty Professor
writes anymore, plus his ego will not allow for admission of
such errors. In sum, demanding Mr. Parr apologise is akin
to asking a scorpion not to sting a frog while crossing the
river on his back. It sounds reasonable enough in theory,
but....


Whether or not parr apologizes is not the main issue ...

Come on, g4! The above snippet was *in response to*
something which you snipped. I never stated that any
apology was "the main issue". In fact, I don't consider
it to be an issue at all.


what's important here is that parr made an accusation without any
facts to back his statement


That's what defines the man as "Larry Parr"; had he anything
substantive to back up his claims, he would obviously be an
imposter -- and a poor one at that. ;D


... or is it a smear?


By Larry Parr's own definition -- quoted countless times
by Mr. Blair -- it is a smear. But....


... Louis Blair counters parr's assertions admirably and
demands an apology ... we now have a written record (audit trail) documenting
parr's behavior on rgcp vis-a-vis Brattleboro and the Innes pledge.

Should parr fail to make an amende honorable, that says something about his
character ... his ethix ... his sense of fair play.


Well, it would say the same thing which has already
been said a thousand times before. To me, this is
redundant (hence irrelevant) "proof".


And why do you refer to Blair as the nutty professor? What do you find
nutty about him?


As far as I know, Louis Blair *is* a professor, so Larry
Parr's addition of the "Nutty" part is a joke. I think Mr.
Blair's behavior on this forum is a bit strange. For example,
most posters here write to express an opinion, but it is
fairly rare to find such opinions in the postings of Louis
Blair. Mainly, his postings are made up of quotations
from earlier postings, taken out of context and placed
next to something more recent.
For example, one could take Larry Parr's latest blunder
and right below it, place a quote of Mr. Parr defining the
term "smear". This would make it appear as though
Larry Parr were saying that he is smearing Louis Blair's
name, when in fact Mr. Parr has double-standards which
make it impossible for his own words to be used against
any but the "enemy" -- that is, from his very nutty
perspective.



If anything, his behavior on rgcp is way better than
most of us. When was the last time Blair use an ad hom?


I don't keep track of such things. In fact, I don't even
have a file of quotations (such as the ones used by Louis
Blair, Larry Parr, Nick Bourbaki, et al).


He may be unemotional ala Mr. Spock ... but nutty?


What do you want to call nutty? Sam Sloan could
be considered a bit nutty. Phil Innes is either nutty
or perhaps insane. Larry Parr is definitely nutty. So
why can't Louis Blair be a nutty professor? ;D



... I don't think so.


Clearly, you believe that what Louis Blair has been
doing serves a useful purpose: to document Larry Parr's
bungling "for the record". To me, this is redundant
overkill, hence, just a bit nutty. IMO, Mr. Parr's antics
have already been proved to such a degree as to make
any further efforts along those lines essentially a waste
of time. Once a man's credibility drops to zero, it can't
sink any lower.


Okay. I'm just saying that Mr. Parr was right about the
"transference" part, not that it was necessarily anger that
caused it. Mr. Parr has quite frequently done this same
thing in his posts, with regard to the numerous posters
he perceives as enemies or critics. Something associated
with those "enemies" is attacked or repeatedly mentioned,
when in fact it has nothing whatever to do with the issue
in question. If this is not transference (of whatever), then
what do you call it?

Us humans call it changing the subject. Why do you make things
sound more complicatied than they are?


Because... I am really Phil Innes, the King of
Brattleboro! Hey, how can Larry Parr be changing the
subject when he created this thread, stating the subject
right in the thread's name? Anyone who thought this
was an attempt to change the subject could simply skip
over this thread and thus effortlessly foil his evil plan.

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"help bot" wrote in message
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Once again, may I remind you that you are attempting
to deprive Mr. Parr of his double-standards -- and these
are, after all, the ONLY standards he's got. Would you
take away *everything* a man has, leaving him with
nothing whatsoever? Have a heart.


parr can keep his double standards. What I am saying is that parrs actions
and words should be documented ... so that when in the future parr and
his supporters deny such actions and words ... there is always google to
digh them up and show the world.

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Psuedo-Innes Rob Mitchell? Are you suggesting that
RM is actually Phil Innes, or that he is nearly as
obtuse? It would appear that I missed an entire thread --
the one in which the Innes Pledge was presumably
discussed at length. -- Greg Kennedy (help bot)

The ratpacker pledgeheads continue to discuss the
meaning of their Innes Pledge, and one reads between
the lines to notice that Neil Brennen appears a mite
embarrassed by Greg Kennedy's abject grovelling.

Be that as it may, Neil writes, "I do wish Mr.
Parr would learn to read. The Innes Pledge states
only that the pledge-taker will not respond to the
posts of and emails of Philip Keith Innes. I later
extended it to covewr the postings of the pseudo-Innes
Rob Mitchell. Alas, only ... [Rapper Tapper] and I
have taken the pledge."

The paragraph is significant. Notice that in a
dispute involving Phil Innes, Neil is transferring his
animus and frustration to this writer. That's a good
sign for Neil and bodes well for the man eventually
adhering to the Pledge.

On the other hand, Neil's piebald interpretation
of the Innes Pledge strikes me as untenable. As the
man would have it, the ratpacker pledgehead undertakes
not to respond to Mr. Innes even as said p-head,
mayhap, remains in the same forum neighborhood and
talks ABOUT, if not TO, Mr. Innes. That's like a guy
on a diet cutting out butter for the sake of his
arteries while still wiping up the bacon drippings
with a piece of bread from the frying pan. It's like
a drug addict hanging around his former pusher.

Any fair interpretation of the Innes Pledge must
hold that the pledgehead's goal is to lose interest in
the writings, the persona and the celebrity of Phil
Innes. The idea that one can spend, as Neil does,
entire Sunday afternoons writing compositions on the
Innes theme and long escape the spider's web is
fantasy. The pledgehead must either go cold turkey or
end up as stuffing at some future Innes rgcp feast.

One of the difficulties suffered by all great
men is the well-meant flitting of supportive, if
embarrassing fleas. Neil writes about "the
pseudo-Innes Rob Mitchell." and Greg Kennedy
then oozes, "Pseudo-Innes Rob Mitchell? Is he
suggesting that Rob is actually Phil Innes?"

Neil wants to respond, "Kennedy, you fleawit. I
wrote the DIAMETRICAL OPPOSITE -- that, in truth,
Mitchell is a False Dmitri."

But then he thinks to himself, "I despise suffering
fools gladly, yet so I must with Greg and his gregos,
as Parr would say. I will proffer no comment beyond
burping an occasional approving noise. I don't wish to
spend much time in public with Greg, but this forum
has its necessities."

The pledgeheads are trying to flesh out a
sustainable public position on the Innes Pledge. It
is very much an ongoing project, and we expect that as
the weeks go by the ratpackers will refine their thinking.




help bot wrote:
The Historian wrote:

I do wish Mr. Parr would learn to read. The Innes Pledge states only
that the pledge-taker will not respond to the posts and emails of
Philip Keith Innes. I later extended it to cover the postings of the
pseudo-Innes Rob Mitchell. Alas, only Larry Tapper and I have taken the
pledge.


Psuedo-Innes Rob Mitchell? Are you suggesting that
RM is actually Phil Innes, or that he is nearly as obtuse?

It would appear that I missed an entire thread -- the one
in which the Innes Pledge was presumably discussed at
length.

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INNES DEFENDS HIS TOWN

Of course, this was nothing compared to the 'Brest
Fest' some time ago, when vast amounts of local
women walked through the town topless, as a
demonstration against an official slight offered a
certain lady by a Puritan official stuck in the Victorian
era, and imposing his personal views to a degree
that even Kipling would find repressed. -- Phil Innes

Concerning nudism and other forms of
experimental living, it is an interesting fact that
there were probably more such communities in the 19th
century than today. Possibly in absolute numbers;
certainly in terms of percentage of population.
Arthur Bestor's "Backwoods Utopias" remains the best
work on the subject.

Locally, there is not so much a 'movement' as the, er, bare facts of what
people do without any particula fuss or self-consciousness. Brattleboro lies
at the conjunction of the Connecticut River and the West River which has in
secluded areas swimming holes with people who take off their clothes to
swim - as indeed, people have done throughout history. Seclusion is chosen
for peace and quiet rather than for modesty, since blue-rinsed visitors from
New Jersey and their fat-arsed spouses are wont to waddle about and will be
photographing anything.

The West River valley lies among some precipitous hills and caused my mother
to make the very strange remark on her first visit, that "its like
Switzerland, only more so." Kipling, at least, agreed with her, and built
his house in them thair hills, and wondered how anyone could write without
such 'air'. He wrote much of his best work here, and the most animistic.

Nudity only seems strange when it is rare, and also set in the middle of
conservative Yankee land whose mores are much the same as 200 years ago.
Hawthorne liked to visit Mount Greylock just to the south west, and
anticipating the author of Walden, remarked in his works how New England
culture was not as much about what was healthy to explore individually, but
about the huge collective attempt made to ensure other people didn't get up
to.

One can look at the demonstrators and
protestors not as liberals or as pathbreakers but as
revivalists in the truest sense of the word.

Vivida vis animi, reminds us of the living force of, well, to change
languages, of soma, soma in Vermont!

Phil's attempt to play down the notorious name
of "Brattleboro" will fool few. The ratpackers are
angry, angry, angry with that town (having pledged not
to deal with Mr. Innes any longer) and they are
demanding that the Lula's Brazilenos be sent back to
Rio. (Perhaps a Brazilena can be saved for Neil
Brennen when he finally keeps his promise to visit
Brattle ... ah, Kipling's Town.)

Quite recently the county had a female sheriff, not only female but gay, and
not very tall neither - in fact I would guess she was no more than 4'12".
Unfortunately she has been dismissed her post for some wrong-doing, and
unfortunate because an encounter was often amusing and if her picture
appeared in the newspaper she looked like a child arresting adults.
Fortuneately there are many remaining eligible or 'interesting' women here
should Neil Brennen visit, and I can think of a few tattooed brutes would
put Portsmouth to shame.

In the midst of this confusion we hope that
Rapper-Tapper is not swept up in the refugee and/or
terrorist roundup and rolled back southwards to
Deliverance Country. Phil has some obligation to his
fellow rgcp-ists -- even the ratpackers -- to keep
them away from Gonzales-approved CIA interrogations.

I think I missed these references while away, and was going to ask someone
if any chess, as such, transpired here last week?

Still, one chuckles at the thought of Louie
Blair undergoing questioning about his years of rugged
training at 14,000 feet in the Hindu Kush. And what
precisely was Louie doing in Kandahar in August 1992?
When did he first meet Hafizullah Amin? What are his
current relations with Hekmatyar? When did he convert
to Islam?

What I obtain from this is that a cabal [wrong language again!], what is the
term-de-jour? cell? has formed here to write in code about their
socio-religious experiences and aspirations, under the guise of hating
chess. Plausible, yes, how plausible!

Matters are clearly coming to a head -- or, at
least, into the heads of the ratpackers. They are no
longer Pledge Heads; they are angry with their own
weakness in violating the pledge; and they are about
to converge on Brat ... Kipling's Town.

Phil must see to it that these mad hatters don't
injure themselves.

I would be delighted to avert that circumstance, and in fact could take
pre-emptive action to disable their ability to effect self-harm.
Alternatively I could take them to the Co-op and the ladies down there would
do the same thing, though organically.

As for nudity - another nude chess tournament is planned here this fall,
probably after the first snows, and is along the lines of these Survivor
programs - which all rely on a good deal of sadism, no? Last year a rather
pyhrric victory was achieved by the last person sitting, since he was buried
in place until spring when he could be dug out, thawed out, and shipped out
back where he cum frum.

Cordially, Phil Innes
The Far North, etc

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Us humans call it changing the subject. Why do you make things
sound more complicatied than they are?


Because... I am really Phil Innes, the King of
Brattleboro!

This is the trouble with flat-landers, as we call 'em here, this projected
rankist philosophy, since the very nature of this place is that such
imposteurs are openly derided in as much as they are noticed at all, and a
certain egalitarianism exists in its stead. Just like chess, both players
start equal.

Hey, how can Larry Parr be changing the
subject when he created this thread, stating the subject
right in the thread's name? Anyone who thought this
was an attempt to change the subject could simply skip
over this thread and thus effortlessly foil his evil plan.

Did you actually have any questions about Brattleboro, Vermont?

It is all very well to call me insane, but sano in ... [oops!] but the very
nature of certain newsnet posts is to deny -looking- at any actual facts, in
some preference to fantasy projections and speculations. That, I ask you to
consider, is not insane [a mostly meaningless term], but without sanity, and
furthermore changes and muddles the sense from the person to behavior.

Furthermore, in that it is deliberated, is no mark of confidence in the
speculator, since potential of being sane [healthy in mind, not healthy in
rationalising] remains as a potential, whereas unchecked and deliberate
negative suppositions utterly avert such potential manifestations. The clue
is always that a person can not only say what they know, but how they know
it - which is scientific, and indeed the process more valuable than the
ostensible 'result'.

That [other] people's behavior is either rational or non-rational is the
usual contention, as if people were actually motivated from thought [ROFL],
rather than reflecting on real experience with the aid of their reason, then
comparing such with others to objectivise that perspective with others of
like experience.

Distinguishing between these two is not a mark of 'sanity', but of
intelligence.

While these emminently avowable considerations are admitted, even if
jokingly so, subsequently behaviors deny the fact they it is a well
/understood/ difference, and thus seperates who is capable of a certain form
of integrity in reporting from those who prefer not to look at anything, and
write as if to ward off having to look, to have an experience, by the spell
of their words.

Phil Innes

PS: How people really behave is like this:-

Just some short distance away is an old cemetary where night-time diggers
unearth the old grave stones and sell 'em elsewhere - the grave marker of
Elizabeth Frankenstein [c. 1845] has been removed, thereby, since anchoring
it in 3 feet of cement didn't stop attempts to free it, and the old gal's
marker was getting pretty chipped up, it has been moved indoors.



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THE PLEDGEHEADS

The ratpacker pledgeheads continue to discuss the
meaning of their Innes Pledge, and one reads between
the lines to notice that Neil Brennen appears a mite
embarrassed by Greg Kennedy's abject grovelling.


False. No one other than parr is dicsussing the Innes Pledge.


remainder or parr's fiction snipped