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#61
November 8th 06, 05:58 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
Louis Blair wrote: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Taylor Kingston" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc Subject: Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov Date: 8 Nov 2006 06:34:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: .com References: . com . com . com .com .com . com . com . com .com .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.180.245 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1162996450 7000 127.0.0.1 (8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: .com User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; AT&T CSM6.0),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 netcache2 (NetCache NetApp/6.0.4) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.96.180.245; posting-account=EiI5yw0AAACV86a5CGNajLjBxzUoGk-N On Nov 8, 9:27 am, "Rob" wrote: I believe Alekhines "creative" work ethic is unique in chess. He developed not only a theory but also applied the theory to great effect. To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Dr Blair, Are you alright? I am becoming concerned. I will call the UNiversity mathematics department and have someone check on you. 
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#62
November 8th 06, 06:02 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
Louis Blair wrote: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Taylor Kingston" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc Subject: Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov Date: 8 Nov 2006 06:34:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: .com References: . com . com . com .com .com . com . com . com .com .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.180.245 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1162996450 7000 127.0.0.1 (8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: .com User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; AT&T CSM6.0),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 netcache2 (NetCache NetApp/6.0.4) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.96.180.245; posting-account=EiI5yw0AAACV86a5CGNajLjBxzUoGk-N On Nov 8, 9:27 am, "Rob" wrote: I believe Alekhines "creative" work ethic is unique in chess. He developed not only a theory but also applied the theory to great effect. To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did.
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#63
November 8th 06, 06:02 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
Louis Blair wrote: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000cwd .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Taylor Kingston" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc Subject: Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov Date: 8 Nov 2006 06:34:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: .com References: . com . com . com .com .com . com . com . com .com .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.180.245 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1162996450 7000 127.0.0.1 (8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:34:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: .com User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; AT&T CSM6.0),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 netcache2 (NetCache NetApp/6.0.4) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=198.96.180.245; posting-account=EiI5yw0AAACV86a5CGNajLjBxzUoGk-N On Nov 8, 9:27 am, "Rob" wrote: I believe Alekhines "creative" work ethic is unique in chess. He developed not only a theory but also applied the theory to great effect. To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did.
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#64
November 8th 06, 06:29 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
On Nov 8, 1:02 pm, "Rob" wrote: From: "Taylor Kingston" To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. As Phil Innes might say, this sounds rather vague. All chess players try to counter their opponents' lines of play. Can you clarify? If his "theory" was "very pronounced" it should be easy to describe. The closest your description comes to sounding like anything definite would be Nimzovitch's idea of prophylaxis, which was not at all characteristic of Alekhine's style. TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. Um, Rob, in case you didn't notice, it was TK who asked you what Alekhine's "theory" was. So isn't it a bit silly to say "TK is much better equipped to answer"? TK is asking _you_ to answer. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did. I would not agree. Before and during Alekhine's time the work ethics of Rubinstein, Spielmann, Réti, Grünfeld, Euwe, Botvinnik and Keres were probably at least equally strong, and after him those of Fischer, Geller, Korchnoi, Polugaevsky, Portisch, Karpov, Kasparov and others were as good or better. And certainly several of them also showed creative genius. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much a fan of Alekhine's play, but I don't see him as quite so special as you claim.
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#65
November 8th 06, 06:58 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
Taylor Kingston wrote: On Nov 8, 1:02 pm, "Rob" wrote: From: "Taylor Kingston" To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. As Phil Innes might say, this sounds rather vague. All chess players try to counter their opponents' lines of play. Can you clarify? If his "theory" was "very pronounced" it should be easy to describe. The closest your description comes to sounding like anything definite would be Nimzovitch's idea of prophylaxis, which was not at all characteristic of Alekhine's style. Perhaps Max Euwe said it best: "Alekhine's perfect technique and combinative talent are so well known that it is unnecessary to talk about them. His conduct of the endgame was shining. Even so, I admire most how he finished the adjourned games. I had to analyze them, too, so I know them well. When I think of how my opponent created ingenious ideas and how he finished them in unexpected ways, I have only the greatest admiration for Alekhine's playing style" TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. Um, Rob, in case you didn't notice, it was TK who asked you what Alekhine's "theory" was. So isn't it a bit silly to say "TK is much better equipped to answer"? TK is asking _you_ to answer. Sorry, I couldnt tell from Dr Blairs post that it wasn't he who was making the statement. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did. I would not agree. Before and during Alekhine's time the work ethics of Rubinstein, Spielmann, Réti, Grünfeld, Euwe, Botvinnik and Keres were probably at least equally strong, and after him those of Fischer, Geller, Korchnoi, Polugaevsky, Portisch, Karpov, Kasparov and others were as good or better. And certainly several of them also showed creative genius. Yes, But those players did not "create" as Alekhine did, in my estimation. They were as the Romans.. well suited to apply ideas and techniques already evidenced but not having the creative spark as the Greeks. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much a fan of Alekhine's play, but I don't see him as quite so special as you claim.
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#66
November 8th 06, 07:00 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
Taylor Kingston wrote: On Nov 8, 1:02 pm, "Rob" wrote: From: "Taylor Kingston" To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. As Phil Innes might say, this sounds rather vague. All chess players try to counter their opponents' lines of play. Can you clarify? If his "theory" was "very pronounced" it should be easy to describe. The closest your description comes to sounding like anything definite would be Nimzovitch's idea of prophylaxis, which was not at all characteristic of Alekhine's style. TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. Um, Rob, in case you didn't notice, it was TK who asked you what Alekhine's "theory" was. So isn't it a bit silly to say "TK is much better equipped to answer"? TK is asking _you_ to answer. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did. I would not agree. Before and during Alekhine's time the work ethics of Rubinstein, Spielmann, Réti, Grünfeld, Euwe, Botvinnik and Keres were probably at least equally strong, and after him those of Fischer, Geller, Korchnoi, Polugaevsky, Portisch, Karpov, Kasparov and others were as good or better. And certainly several of them also showed creative genius. A note to the post previous, Réti and Grünfeld were both "creators" but they never achieved the OTB success of Alekhine. Thats is why I think he holds a unique place as both an innovator and as a competitor. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much a fan of Alekhine's play, but I don't see him as quite so special as you claim.
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#67
November 8th 06, 07:15 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
On Nov 8, 1:58 pm, "Rob" wrote: Perhaps Max Euwe said it best: "Alekhine's perfect technique and combinative talent are so well known that it is unnecessary to talk about them. His conduct of the endgame was shining. Even so, I admire most how he finished the adjourned games. I had to analyze them, too, so I know them well. When I think of how my opponent created ingenious ideas and how he finished them in unexpected ways, I have only the greatest admiration for Alekhine's playing style" None of which has anything to do with "very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play." Euwe is just saying that Alekhine's accuracy, tactical skill and endgame technique were excellent. This has nothing to do with new "theories," whatever you meant by that and seem unable to explain. TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. Um, Rob, in case you didn't notice, it was TK who asked you what Alekhine's "theory" was. So isn't it a bit silly to say "TK is much better equipped to answer"? TK is asking _you_ to answer. Sorry, I couldnt tell from Dr Blairs post that it wasn't he who was making the statement. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did. I would not agree. Before and during Alekhine's time the work ethics of Rubinstein, Spielmann, Réti, Grünfeld, Euwe, Botvinnik and Keres were probably at least equally strong, and after him those of Fischer, Geller, Korchnoi, Polugaevsky, Portisch, Karpov, Kasparov and others were as good or better. And certainly several of them also showed creative genius. Yes, But those players did not "create" as Alekhine did, in my estimation. They were as the Romans.. well suited to apply ideas and techniques already evidenced but not having the creative spark as the Greeks. I suggest getting better grounded in chess history before making blanket generalizations that underestimate some very great players.
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#69
November 8th 06, 07:20 PM
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Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov
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Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!f16g2000cwb .googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Rob" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.misc Subject: Elo on Fischer's conditions vs. Karpov Date: 8 Nov 2006 10:58:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 63 Message-ID: . com References: . com . com . com .com .com . com . com .com .com om .com . com .com . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.154.222.222 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1163012293 29089 127.0.0.1 (8 Nov 2006 18:58:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:58:13 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: . com User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.154.222.222; posting-account=D2Z83AwAAAA-ocdAPTiAARcZxhYxpR_f Taylor Kingston wrote: On Nov 8, 1:02 pm, "Rob" wrote: From: "Taylor Kingston" To what "theory" do you refer, Rob? And I would agree that Alekhine= 's chess work ethic was exemplary, but it was hardly unique. He had very pronounced theories about lines of development especially as related in countering other opponents lines of play. As Phil Innes might say, this sounds rather vague. All chess players try to counter their opponents' lines of play. Can you clarify? If his "theory" was "very pronounced" it should be easy to describe. The closest your description comes to sounding like anything definite would be Nimzovitch's idea of prophylaxis, which was not at all characteristic of Alekhine's style. Perhaps Max Euwe said it best: "Alekhine's perfect technique and combinative talent are so well known that it is unnecessary to talk about them. His conduct of the endgame was shining. Even so, I admire most how he finished the adjourned games. I had to analyze them, too, so I know them well. When I think of how my opponent created ingenious ideas and how he finished them in unexpected ways, I have only the greatest admiration for Alekhine's playing style" TK or Phil Innes or Jerzy or Wlod are much better equiped to answer on the specifics. Um, Rob, in case you didn't notice, it was TK who asked you what Alekhine's "theory" was. So isn't it a bit silly to say "TK is much better equipped to answer"? TK is asking _you_ to answer. Sorry, I couldnt tell from Dr Blairs post that it wasn't he who was making the statement. His work ethic was unique in the total consumation. Others since have mimiced this but none have combined both the work ethic and creative genius as he did. I would not agree. Before and during Alekhine's time the work ethics of Rubinstein, Spielmann, R=E9ti, Gr=FCnfeld, Euwe, Botvinnik and Keres were probably at least equally strong, and after him those of Fischer, Geller, Korchnoi, Polugaevsky, Portisch, Karpov, Kasparov and others were as good or better. And certainly several of them also showed creative genius. Yes, But those players did not "create" as Alekhine did, in my estimation. They were as the Romans.. well suited to apply ideas and techniques already evidenced but not having the creative spark as the Greeks. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much a fan of Alekhine's play, but I don't see him as quite so special as you claim. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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November 8th 06, 07:26 PM
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Dr Blair has either lost is mind or his news reader is defective.
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