I saw games of Chrisf Played at

http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

He played three games with Master Level and made same sequence of moves
in each game and win 3 games with Master Level. (It is a big Cheating)

Playing Same game from start to end is wrong as Computer knows opening
till 4 moves after words it plays same move.

Here are the Recorded Games which are same.

1. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...215&game=Chess

2. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...233&game=Chess

3. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...242&game=Chess

You can see Chrisf have played same moves in the Four Game. (Is there a
way it can be stopped) Else he can get high ranking Playing same game
again and again.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:
He played three games with Master Level and made same sequence of moves
in each game and win 3 games with Master Level. (It is a big Cheating)

Playing Same game from start to end is wrong as Computer knows opening
till 4 moves after words it plays same move.

It's not wrong, it's not cheating, it's a weakness of your program.

You can see Chrisf have played same moves in the Four Game. (Is there a
way it can be stopped) Else he can get high ranking Playing same game
again and again.

Surely anyone who is actually willing to invest the necessary time can
do that, it's not like the computer would not loose anyway if Chrisf
deviated. If the computer was stronger it would be more difficult to
find a way of playing that always wins.

Further, why does the computer always play the same moves in the
opening? You could allow it to randomly choose amongst equally good
moves from its opening book and from nearly equally good moves that it
has calculated during the later game, that way you are almost guaranteed
that no game would ever be repeated.

Sanny wrote:

I saw games of Chrisf Played at

http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

He played three games with Master Level and made same sequence of moves
in each game and win 3 games with Master Level. (It is a big Cheating)

Playing Same game from start to end is wrong as Computer knows opening
till 4 moves after words it plays same move.

Here are the Recorded Games which are same.

1. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...215&game=Chess

2. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...233&game=Chess

3. http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...242&game=Chess

You can see Chrisf have played same moves in the Four Game. (Is there a
way it can be stopped) Else he can get high ranking Playing same game
again and again.


Sanny, one way to stop ChrisF from destroying your
program so quickly would be to get him into a closed
game. For example, instead of a Ruy Lopez -- where
everybody and his brother has memorized the "correct"
moves -- try a Caro Kan or a French Defense.

Another idea would be to alter the program so it no
longer grabs pawns on the same file as its uncastled
King in the opening; this tendency can often lead to big
trouble. The drawback to this approach is that there
may well be cases where grabbing such a pawn is
"correct".

But in the end you are doomed to lose to ChrisF no
matter what you may try, for IMO, he is using a (real)
chess program to beat yours. The best you can hope
for is that he will grow weary of playing computer
operator in a "Godzilla meets Bambi" scenario.

A nit to pick: generally speaking, it is considered
poor form for Godzilla to always take the White pieces
against Bambi. Ideally, Godzilla would deliberately give
away his Queen, and only then begin playing in earnest.
[You really look bad here, ChrisF, in that everyone knows
Bambi lost his mum when he was just a wee lad, so you
come off as the bad guy, kicking a deer when he is down.]

-- friend of the prince of the forest

In article .com, Sanny wrote:
I saw games of Chrisf Played at

http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

He played three games with Master Level and made same sequence of moves
in each game and win 3 games with Master Level. (It is a big Cheating)

Playing Same game from start to end is wrong as Computer knows opening
till 4 moves after words it plays same move.

There's nothing wrong with that. If your program always chooses the
same move, it's the program's own fault. *Decent* chess programs
put a bit of randomness into their evaluation routines to avoid
falling into this trap.

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

"help bot" wrote in message
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But in the end you are doomed to lose to ChrisF no
matter what you may try, for IMO, he is using a (real)
chess program to beat yours.

You're funny.

"help bot" wrote in message
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A nit to pick: generally speaking, it is considered
poor form for Godzilla to always take the White pieces
against Bambi. Ideally, Godzilla would deliberately give
away his Queen, and only then begin playing in earnest.
[You really look bad here, ChrisF, in that everyone knows
Bambi lost his mum when he was just a wee lad, so you
come off as the bad guy, kicking a deer when he is down.]

-- friend of the prince of the forest

Well, I did go back and check once the site came back up, since I started to
feel bad for Bambi. If you had bothered to look at Sanny's links, you would
have noticed that only 3 of the games were repeats. The 4th link is a
completely different line (and I was black for that matter). And only 2 of
the games were consecutive whites. I also played 2 blacks in a row in that
span of games.

Hope the prince of the forest has a better fact checker.

"Chris Mattern" If your program always chooses the same move, it's the
program's own fault. *Decent* chess programs put a bit of randomness into
their evaluation routines to avoid falling into this trap.


If one guy can play the same game over and over again and win in 5 moves,
whose fault is that? You need to get Chessmaster 9000 (or whatever the
newest version is) and give it to your programmers so they can rip some code
and upgrade your software. At this pace, it sounds like an old DOS program.

chrisf wrote:

[You really look bad here, ChrisF, in that everyone knows
Bambi lost his mum when he was just a wee lad, so you
come off as the bad guy, kicking a deer when he is down.]

-- friend of the prince of the forest

Well, I did go back and check once the site came back up, since I started to
feel bad for Bambi. If you had bothered to look at Sanny's links, you would
have noticed that only 3 of the games were repeats.


*Only* three? LOL!

FYI: I have never repeated even a single win at GetClub,
despite being by far the most active player there.


The 4th link is a
completely different line (and I was black for that matter). And only 2 of
the games were consecutive whites. I also played 2 blacks in a row in that
span of games.

Hope the prince of the forest has a better fact checker.


Idiot. If Sanny posted faulty information, then the person
responsible is... Sanny! This poor guy is having no end of
trouble in his failed attempts to "improve" his chess program,
and people like you keep twisting the knife.

I was a bit surprised to see your program play a different
(and perhaps superior!) refutation to Sanny's program's
mistake in the Ruy Lopez; that is one move I had not seen
before. I am talking about the move Nc3, instead of say,
Bxd5 and THEN Nc3.

-- help bot

"help bot" wrote in message
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I was a bit surprised to see your program play a different
(and perhaps superior!) refutation to Sanny's program's
mistake in the Ruy Lopez; that is one move I had not seen
before. I am talking about the move Nc3, instead of say,
Bxd5 and THEN Nc3.

-- help bot

Have you even looked at my games? I'd be more embarassed if I *was* using a
program to play against Sanny's program.

By the way, you seem to think I am such a horrible person because I had the
nerve to play white twice in a row against his program. So I thought, well,
apparently nomorechess must be a paragon of virtue. And what do I see? That
douche bag played white 26(!!) times in a row against Sanny's Bambi. Now
*that* guy should be ashamed of himself... :-)

chrisf wrote:
"help bot" wrote in message
oups.com...

I was a bit surprised to see your program play a different
(and perhaps superior!) refutation to Sanny's program's
mistake in the Ruy Lopez; that is one move I had not seen
before. I am talking about the move Nc3, instead of say,
Bxd5 and THEN Nc3.

-- help bot

Have you even looked at my games?


In the post where Sanny claimed you had repeated the
same win, over and over, I entered the top "link" and
replayed just that game, to see how his program loses
to somebody besides me. I saw a series of book moves,
then a series of computer-style moves refuting the
program's blunder in the opening. Unlike, say, Taylor
Kingston, who clearly was not only *not* using a computer,
but who seemed to fall asleep at times, your moves
looked very suspicious -- and very strong! :D



I'd be more embarassed if I *was* using a
program to play against Sanny's program.


Rest assured that if you are, you are not alone. In all
my days of playing blitz chess against a wide variety
of opponents of all different strengths, I have never seen
anyone who played quite like some of the players at
GetClub, except of course, for computer programs,
which nearly always play this way. (By no small
coincidence, every one of them on GetClub is known
to have access to a computer, by the very fact of their
being online!)


By the way, you seem to think I am such a horrible person because I had the
nerve to play white twice in a row against his program.


What a tosser! I simply made a little joke, and it was
in response to a claim that you were repeating the exact
same win, over and over, presumably to rack up free
rating points. I certainly don't consider beating up on a
chess program to in any way equate to what that big
bully, Godzilla, did to poor little Bambi. After all, Bambi
was a living, breathing, animated deer, whereas a chess
program has no feelings whatever. (Do you have any
idea of the emotional scar left on Thumper as a result of
Godzilla's action?)




So I thought, well,
apparently nomorechess must be a paragon of virtue.

Some would say it is better to be lucky than smart.
Here, you were just lucky, I guess.


And what do I see? That
douche bag played white 26(!!) times in a row against Sanny's Bambi. Now
*that* guy should be ashamed of himself... :-)

That was back when Sanny's program was reportedly
"improving" every day, and I needed all the help I could
get. If you check your facts, you will find that I am now
in a "Black only" mode, having played a long series of
games with the advantage of the Black pieces. Before,
I played with the advantage of the White pieces every
game, so it evens out. (You see, it makes little difference
what color the pieces are, you get the advantage every
time.) Once upon a time, Sanny's program was actually
playing a decent game of chess; I've had maybe a couple
of draws "cancelled" because Sanny has not made
allowance for the scoring of half-points, and one loss
which you can still see there.

But just to address your point seriously, take a look at my
ONE rated game against a human opponent: what color
do you think I took, and why?

-- help bot