Sanny wrote:

(The context was much snipped by Sanny.)

Michael C. wrote:
Considering it's free it's a pretty good deal.

Nick wrote:
2) Sanny usually has responded to constructive criticisms
of his chess engine by 1) completely ignoring them or
2) insulting the persons who made those suggestions.

With replies like yours I'm not suprised.

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Correct, It helps me to ignore such comments than to reply them
and pull myself into controversies instead of any development.

Has Sanny yet succeeded in obtaining a financial
contribution from his apparent admirer, Michael C.?

Given that Michael C. apparently believes that
Sanny's chess engine has strong potential,
Michael C. should consider investing his money
in Sanny's chess engine project.

I am sure if Nick plays a recorded game that will be a
lost match. He will be easily beaten by the Beginner
& Easy level.

That's another outrageous lie by Sanny.
I have easily (with hardly any thought) defeated
Sanny's chess engine every time I have played it.
I already have posted several of those games.

Sanny, a pathological liar, warrants no response
beyond absolute disdain.

--Nick

David Richerby wrote:
Michael C wrote:
It does seem that if he was a little more honest
he'd gain a little more credability.

Sanny might be 'a little more honest' every February 29th.
Would that be enough for Michael C. to give his
financial support to Sanny's chess engine project?

The main critism seems to be that his claimed time for the
computer to make a move are wrong. Because it's running on the
user's PC the times will be dependant on the speed of their PC.

To what extent can Michael C. read? The criticisms, from
many diverse writers in rec.games.chess.* have usually been
far harsher than just saying that Sanny's 'claimed time for the
computer to make a move are wrong' (to quote Michael C.)
(By the way, Michael C's phrase is ungrammatical.)

The problem is not that it's running on the user's PC. The problem
is that even people with cutting-edge hardware are reporting that
it regularly oversteps the estimate by a factor of two or three.
So Sanny isn't just claiming that the computer will move in, say, two
minutes if you have a computer as fast as his; he's claiming that it
will move in two minutes if you have a computer two or three times
faster than anything available today.

So what? If Sanny keeps reiterating his lies, then
he probably will succeed in fooling some 'suckers'.

--Nick

David Richerby wrote:
Michael Vondung wrote:
Nick wrote:
But if Kramnik continues to ignore mate-in-one threats, then
Sanny's chess engine has a chance of winning.

It still bugs me that he didn't see it. I expect that the remaining
two games will be draws as well, so he will lose the tournament
because he missed this forsaken mate-in-one, something even I, a
very weak player, saw.

To be fair, though, it's very unlikely that you'd manage
to lose a match against Fritz by only one point. :-)

I suspect that it's very likely that David Richerby
would 'lose a match against Fritz by only one point',
*if* the match consisted of one game. :-)

By the way, must a 'match' be defined as
a competition of more than one game?

--Nick

Sanny wrote:

I am sure if Nick plays a recorded game that will be a lost match. He
will be easily beaten by the Beginner & Easy level.


From what I have read so far, Nick Bourbaki *claims* to
easily defeat much stronger opponents than Sanny's
program -- on any level. (Warning: any one who dares
dispute such claim will undoubtedly be viewed with disdain --
oodles of it.)


Only strong players can think of Normal & Master Level (They think a
lot before making move)


True. Mostly they think about how sweet it will be
when the program *finally* moves, and it is possible to
make a reply, to actually participate in the game other
than as an impatient spectator!


I think now the beginner level is well advanced to beat 80% of the
players playing it.

Unfortunately, of the supposed 20% which the program
cannot "beat like a carrot", many such players are to be
found here, in rgc.


Play a game: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Easy Level will win 90% of the players Except {Nomorechess, Richby etc}


Sorry, Mr. Richerby; I told you no one can spell your
name correctly. Have you considered changing your
name to, oh, say Sam Smith or Jim Jones?


Normal Level will win over 95% of players Except {Chrsf, Zebediah,
Taylor Kingston etc.}

Hey -- you left out my name! I have beaten your
Normal level many times -- like an egg! Even your
Master and Advance levels have bitten the dust
against me, plenty of times. How dare you toss me
in the same salad with Richbly -- that putz! I can
beat him like a raddish any day of the week. And
I can easily peel your program on Normal level,
like an onion.

-- Salad Bar

"Nick" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sanny might be 'a little more honest' every February 29th.
Would that be enough for Michael C. to give his
financial support to Sanny's chess engine project?

As I said, his chess engine is free.

To what extent can Michael C. read? The criticisms, from
many diverse writers in rec.games.chess.* have usually been
far harsher than just saying that Sanny's 'claimed time for the
computer to make a move are wrong' (to quote Michael C.)

What was it about the word's "main critisism" didn't you understand.

(By the way, Michael C's phrase is ungrammatical.)

I love it when people start up about my spelling and grammer. It's *always*
used in the absence of a real response. :-)))))

So what? If Sanny keeps reiterating his lies, then
he probably will succeed in fooling some 'suckers'.

I had a some good fun with his chess engine for free. Not sure why you think
I'm the sucker.

Michael

"Nick" wrote in message
ups.com...
Has Sanny yet succeeded in obtaining a financial
contribution from his apparent admirer, Michael C.?

This is really bugging you, isn't it Nick?

Given that Michael C. apparently believes that
Sanny's chess engine has strong potential,
Michael C. should consider investing his money
in Sanny's chess engine project.

I hardly think chess makes a good IT investment. :-)

That's another outrageous lie by Sanny.
I have easily (with hardly any thought) defeated
Sanny's chess engine every time I have played it.
I already have posted several of those games.

I played it with hardly any thought (I kept running back from washing the
car) and got beaten. I made 1 really bad move and it took good advantage. If
I'd played to the end I probably could have won as it seems to have a very
poor end game.

Sanny, a pathological liar, warrants no response
beyond absolute disdain.

Chill out a bit Nick, you seem to have a lot of hatred over very minor
issues.

Michael

"Nick" wrote in message
ups.com...
Jester is a free online chess engine that's far stronger
and freer of bugs than Sanny's chess engine.

What is the URL, I'll have a look.

May I suggest that Michael C. 'put his money
where his mouth is' and make a generous financial
donation to Sanny's chess engine project?

I don't think so, it's hardly going to be the next google. Although I guess
it would help you out a lot so you could back up your claims that I am a
sucker.

Sanny's chess engine might impress a weak player.

I'm no grand master but am on the 74th percentile at gameknot without taking
it too seriously (i've let some friend's win games on occassion and often
make moves without thinking it out at all).

That sounds like someone claiming that he's
'pretty good' at golf except for his putting.

Chess is won, lost, or drawn as a complete game.
It's easy enough for a weak player to claim that a few
of his or her moves are 'pretty good', but that does *not*
mean that his or her game as a whole was 'pretty good'.

That is true but it does seem to have a pretty strong middle game even on
begginer. That means he is at least getting there.

How long has it been since you've played it?

I don't have that much time to waste on an
extremely weak and buggy chess engine.

So basically the answer is no. It is much easier if you just said "no I have
not played it recently therefore have no idea what I'm talking about".

Michael

"Nick" wrote in message
ups.com...
If Michael C. believes that Sanny's chess engine
has enough potential, then why should he not
consider it worthy of his financial support?

Hey, I never said sanny was a genius or even that he had a good chess
engine. All I said was that a little slack was probably due. Most here seem
to agree to some degree at least. I think you basically don't understand how
difficult it is to write something like this. As I programmer I can't help
but give him some respect. These things are always unbelievably more
difficult than anyone could possibly expect.

I have heard this saying, 'Put up or shut up'.

I heard you the 10th time.

Michael

Play a game: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Easy Level will win 90% of the players Except {Nomorechess, Richerby etc}
ok

Normal Level will win over 95% of players Except {Chrsf, Zebediah,
Taylor Kingston etc.}

Hey -- you left out my name! I have beaten your
Normal level many times -- like an egg! Even your
Master and Advance levels have bitten the dust

You used to win When the game was very weak. Now it is very difficult
even to win it's Easy Level. Well you can still handle Beginner & Easy
Levels.

I am sure you will find it very difficult to win Normal Level. No more
Lolly pops now every thing is Atom Bomb. It would be very difficult to
win in new games. I am looking for the recorded games where you will be
beaten by Easy & Normal Levels.


Bye
Sanny.

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Sanny's chess engine might impress a weak player.

I'm no grand master but am on the 74th percentile at gameknot without taking
it too seriously (i've let some friend's win games on occassion and often
make moves without thinking it out at all).


I conclude, Nick is also a weak player as he used to complain he is
unable to Start the game. Sometimes he says he cannot open my Website
as if I have blocked it for him. While no one has made such complaint
to me. even a child can play a Recorded Chess game at GetClub.com

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Many months back when my program was very weak and Nick won 1 Game with
beginner level and after that he boast about his game play for that one
game.

I wonder if he can really win the Beginner Level Now. I am fully
Confident He cannot go above Easy Level. If he can beat Easy Level Show
me a recorded game thats simple !!!.

Well I myself is weak player unable to beat even the Beginner Level so
nothing to be afraid about. I loose 3/3 Matches to beginner Level last
month.

Bye
Sanny.

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