Well, it was bound to happen; GetClub has finally beaten me,
fair and square. I admit it. I was playing another Sicilian Defense,
and winning as always, when all of a sudden I was slapped by an
unexpected tactical threat, which I completely overlooked. I had
of course been lulled to sleep by the fact that I was winning, and
had merely to continue improving the positions of my *more
numerous* pieces, and soon some unstoppable tactical shop
would present itself and the game would be mine. But alas, it
was not to be! Sanny's program in fact saw a tactical shot of its
own, despite its inferior position, and hit me like a sledgehammer
with Rxc3, winning perforce. I then mis-analyzed the resulting
attack on my King, in that I overlooked Qxf6 - wham! All my
back-rank threats were somehow covered for one move, and
that is all that was required for my King to bite the proverbial
dust. Sanny is finally triumphant. I must now go and cover
myself with dirt, cursing the day I was ever born. I am
defeated and embarrassed, simultaneously. I will never hear
the end of this, and it shall haunt me all the days of the rest
of my pathetic life. (Just kidding!)

-- defeated bot

help bot wrote:
Well, it was bound to happen; GetClub has finally beaten me,
fair and square. I admit it. I was playing another Sicilian Defense,
and winning as always, when all of a sudden I was slapped by an
unexpected tactical threat, which I completely overlooked. I had
of course been lulled to sleep by the fact that I was winning, and
had merely to continue improving the positions of my *more
numerous* pieces, and soon some unstoppable tactical shop
would present itself and the game would be mine. But alas, it
was not to be! Sanny's program in fact saw a tactical shot of its
own, despite its inferior position, and hit me like a sledgehammer
with Rxc3, winning perforce. I then mis-analyzed the resulting
attack on my King, in that I overlooked Qxf6 - wham! All my
back-rank threats were somehow covered for one move, and
that is all that was required for my King to bite the proverbial
dust. Sanny is finally triumphant. I must now go and cover
myself with dirt, cursing the day I was ever born. I am
defeated and embarrassed, simultaneously. I will never hear
the end of this, and it shall haunt me all the days of the rest
of my pathetic life. (Just kidding!)



So the day has come when GetClub.com Chess gives good attack to
nomorechess. Three things were favoring the computer.

1. It was playing Normal Level (much stronger than Beginner & Easy
Level)
2. Game Play has been improved.
3. Computer makes better moves.

Recently, I found Beginner Level was killed by a fork. So recently a
modification was done, Lets see if the game saves itself from forks
easily.

I am happy to know Nomorechess was beaten by Normal Level atlast saving
my words I wrote 3 days back. But winning one game is not a big thing I
would like to see more games being lost to Computer. I want to see the
day when Ratings of my levels are as follows.


Beginner: 1200
Easy: 1400
Normal: 1600
Master: 1800

It can only happen when GetClub.com Program keep beating the Players.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

It was a wonderful game I was thinking why Bishop was sacrificed by
Normal Level for a pawn

Then, I thought Why Nomorechess was sacrificing its rook.

But on closer study it reveals both moves were correct. Well Done both
of you.

Here is the Recorded Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...638&game=Chess

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

So the day has come when GetClub.com Chess gives good attack to
nomorechess. Three things were favoring the computer.

1. It was playing Normal Level (much stronger than Beginner & Easy
Level)
2. Game Play has been improved.
3. Computer makes better moves.

Recently, I found Beginner Level was killed by a fork. So recently a
modification was done, Lets see if the game saves itself from forks
easily.

I am happy to know Nomorechess was beaten by Normal Level atlast saving
my words I wrote 3 days back. But winning one game is not a big thing I
would like to see more games being lost to Computer. I want to see the
day when Ratings of my levels are as follows.


Beginner: 1200
Easy: 1400
Normal: 1600
Master: 1800

It can only happen when GetClub.com Program keep beating the Players.

It's not easy to get the ratings up that high. For one thing,
many of the higher-rated players are not very active, so
their points are not actively in the rating pool. Another
issue is that there are many players who have memorized
by rote numerous opening traps and zaps, and from what
I have seen so far, the program is not up to par in the area
of openings "knowledge", so even before the real contest
can begin, the program may find itself in a lost position
against memorized book moves, for example, in a sharp
line of the Sicilian Defense.

In any case, so long as the tactics have been improved
significantly, the ratings of all the different levels should
go up gradually over time. If the tactics have been improved
dramatically, then I would expect the ratings to shoot
higher quickly.

-- help bot

Beginner: 1200
Easy: 1400
Normal: 1600
Master: 1800

It can only happen when GetClub.com Program keep beating the Players.

It's not easy to get the ratings up that high. For one thing,
many of the higher-rated players are not very active, so
their points are not actively in the rating pool. Another

You win a game recently with Beginner Level, I saw the game

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...665&game=Chess

It is interesting to see you beating the same Normal Level in just 20
moves.

At first I thought Computer played wrong move. Then I found it would
take 10 moves calculations to see that Computer is loosing the game
while Normal Level thinks Just 7 moves ahead and it overlooked the
correct move.

But it is surprising how you made 10 moves calculations or it was just
because of your good luck that the computer went into the trap.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

You win a game recently with Beginner Level, I saw the game

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...665&game=Chess

It is interesting to see you beating the same Normal Level in just 20
moves.

At first I thought Computer played wrong move. Then I found it would
take 10 moves calculations to see that Computer is loosing the game
while Normal Level thinks Just 7 moves ahead and it overlooked the
correct move.

But it is surprising how you made 10 moves calculations or it was just
because of your good luck that the computer went into the trap.

I'm not sure what "trap" you mean. In my games, I
quite often steer into sharp play but -- and this is
crucial -- I do not look up the "correct" moves nor do
I have memorized a bunch of trappy lines, where the
program is likely to trip up. Instead, I rely primarily
upon calculation and judgment, and it is your
program's weaknesses in these areas which often leads
to its own demise. In several games it has allowed
a very simple pawn fork, for example. In others, like
the one I am playing right now, the program handles
the tactics alright, but falls into positional problems,
such as having weak doubled pawns.

No one was more surprised than I when your program --
which had just beaten me with a nasty tactical shot --
lost in just twenty moves the very next game! Again,
I often play sharply, as this is my preferred style vs.
weaker opponents. It is a style which is risky, as we
have seen, but one which makes the games more
interesting than a dull display of superior technique
on my part. Technique which can be seen, for example,
in the game which is now in progress. My very sharp
play surprisingly led to nothing, apart from inflicting
weak, doubled pawns. Thus, I am forced to mop-up
a slightly dull Rook and pawn ending which began
with me a pawn down. Piece of cake.

Trust me on this, Sanny: if I were cheating, as you
seemed to imply, my choice of program would be Rybka,
rated at about 3000, and I would *never* lose a game to
your program, nor even draw. The games would be very
one-sided massacres, and most under thirty or so
moves. In the game I am currently playing, a King's
Indian of some sort, I was sorely tempted to try and
look up the correct book move(s) after White played
dxc5 and then c5xd6, because I knew this was the
critical issue. But I refrained, and came up with my
own blunders. But as you can see, despite my
lack of book knowledge I came out alright. If anyone
cares to check my moves against a top-notch computer
program, they will undoubtedly find that I have made a
multitude of "inferior" moves throughout the games,
including plenty of outright blunders.

Believe it or not, I can calculate these "ten-move
combinations" on my own. It's part calculation, and
part judgment, so I don't need to "see" every
possibility the way a computer does. You may not
be aware of this, but most chess programs can easily
see over ten half-moves ahead, by capture and check
extensions.

-- help bot

But it is surprising how you made 10 moves calculations or it was just
because of your good luck that the computer went into the trap.

I'm not sure what "trap" you mean. In my games, I
quite often steer into sharp play but -- and this is

I was talking about the Knight that got pinned between King and Bishop.

Believe it or not, I can calculate these "ten-move
combinations" on my own. It's part calculation, and
part judgment, so I don't need to "see" every
possibility the way a computer does. You may not
be aware of this, but most chess programs can easily
see over ten half-moves ahead, by capture and check
extensions.


Now GetClub Program will also look 10 moves deeper. Lets see if it
takes longer time than earlier. Or it plays equally good. I hope now it
will be more strong Tactically. Let me know if you see any improvement.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny wrote:

But it is surprising how you made 10 moves calculations or it was just
because of your good luck that the computer went into the trap.

I'm not sure what "trap" you mean. In my games, I
quite often steer into sharp play but -- and this is

I was talking about the Knight that got pinned between King and Bishop.


Sheesh. This description fits almost every game I have
ever played at GetClub! I often pin Knights with my
Bishops, except when using the fianchetto or when the
pin can easily be broken without self-infliction of a
weakness such as over-extended pawns. These pins
serve the purpose of getting my Bishop into play and
connecting my Rooks on the back rank to one another.
It's a *development* thing -- you wouldn't understand. ;D

-- help bot

Now GetClub Program will also look 10 moves deeper. Lets see if it
takes longer time than earlier. Or it plays equally good. I hope now it
will be more strong Tactically. Let me know if you see any improvement.


It was taking lot of time for making moves so this modification was
taken back. It takes a lot of time to move when considering 10 moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

"Sanny" wrote in message
ups.com...

Now GetClub Program will also look 10 moves deeper. Lets see if it
takes longer time than earlier. Or it plays equally good. I hope now it
will be more strong Tactically. Let me know if you see any improvement.


It was taking lot of time for making moves so this modification was
taken back. It takes a lot of time to move when considering 10 moves.


I am surprised that you needed to try this as it was obvious that it would
take a lot more time.

Regards