Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:28:12 -0800, (SAT W-7) wrote:

Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

Probably all of 'em.

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Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?


Yes, look at the famous movie "Chess fever". Here you will see Frank playing
with them :
http://video.google.it/videoplay?doc...567512&q=chess

On Dec 22, 9:28 pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

Marshall was among the world's top 10 or 12 masters for over 20
years, circa 1904-1925. He played in many international tournaments and
faced just about all the greats of his day. To list the most prominent
in order of date of birth: Winawer, Blackburne, Burn, Mason, Chigorin,
Gunsberg, Tarrasch, Janowski, Teichmann, Lasker, Maroczy, Pillsbury,
Schlechter, Bernstein, Duras, Rubinstein, Spielmann, Vidmar,
Nimzovitch, Tartakower, Capablanca, Bobolyubov, Reti, Alekhine,
Gruenfeld, Euwe, Torre, Sultan Khan, and Fine.

Could he have been a Russian Chess Champion at that time for that long ?

I just do not think American Chess players are as strong as the rest of
the worlds ....

I no Fischer was the exception but over all strong players came from
the rest of the world..
I just think the competition in Russia would have been so strong that
he could not have been a Champion for 27 years in a row like he was in
the USA...
How close did Marshal ever get to getting to a world championship
match or did he even try to get there ?

By the way who was the Chess Champion during those years ?
Through
those years the world was in turmoil with WWI and the rise of Hitler
.......

Taylor Kingston wrote:

On Dec 22, 9:28 pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

Marshall was among the world's top 10 or 12 masters for over 20
years, circa 1904-1925. He played in many international tournaments and
faced just about all the greats of his day. To list the most prominent
in order of date of birth: Winawer, Blackburne, Burn, Mason, Chigorin,
Gunsberg, Tarrasch, Janowski, Teichmann, Lasker, Maroczy, Pillsbury,
Schlechter, Bernstein, Duras, Rubinstein, Spielmann, Vidmar,
Nimzovitch, Tartakower, Capablanca, Bobolyubov, Reti, Alekhine,
Gruenfeld, Euwe, Torre, Sultan Khan, and Fine.

I believe you omitted Przepiorka, Salwe, Mieses, F. Treybal, K.
Treybal, Duz-Chotimirski, Showalter, Leonhardt, E. Cohn, Levenfish,
Yates, Ed. Lasker, Thomas, Ilyin-Zhenevsky, Torre Repetto, Saemisch,
Colle, L. Steiner, E. Steiner, Kostic, Menchik, Santasiere,...

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On Dec 22, 9:28 pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

Marshall was among the world's top 10 or 12 masters for over 20
years, circa 1904-1925. He played in many international tournaments and
faced just about all the greats of his day. To list the most prominent
in order of date of birth: Winawer, Blackburne, Burn, Mason, Chigorin,
Gunsberg, Tarrasch, Janowski, Teichmann, Lasker, Maroczy, Pillsbury,
Schlechter, Bernstein, Duras, Rubinstein, Spielmann, Vidmar,
Nimzovitch, Tartakower, Capablanca, Bobolyubov, Reti, Alekhine,
Gruenfeld, Euwe, Torre, Sultan Khan, and Fine.

So he did - I had a rare opportunity to play a guy who played against
Marshall in 1923 [!] in New York.

that game is recorded at
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1095054
and a click-through game is available

R. Bornholz v F. Marshall, went 67 moves, and resulted 1-0 in what was
called a Horwitz Defence [mybe still is?], of the Dutch, or A80 anyway. I am
a bit uncertain why Marshall did not attempt to take a draw at move 45 by
exchanging Queens, but a pawn-down he continued with the Queens on, but at
54 Qb7, Bornholz forced the exchange, and converted a pawn to force the
result.

This must have been a shock for Frank! Since the Dutch was getting hammered
at the time, at least to the extent that top players did not seem to be
winning much with it, though I think Nimzo-Alekhine was a draw in 1910.

Bornholz seemed to have played also Alekhine [1929] in New York. While
investigating it I wound up at a French-language website, [Sorbonne], which
incidentally shows a beautiful pink postage stamp of Lasker. The site
describes Marshall as 'a fearless chess cowboy who at the first chance would
run into unpredictable complications." Here is their miniature from a 1929
NY simul. French notation.

Alekhine,A -Bornholz,R

New York sim New York,1929

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Cf3 Cf6 4.e3 Ff5 5.c d5 c d5 6.Cc3 Cbd7 7.Ce5 e6 8.g4 Fg6
9.h4 h6 10.C g6 f g6 11.Fd3 Rf7

12.Dc2 C g4 13.Fxg6+Rg8 14.C d5 e d5 15.Df5 Df6 16.D d5+1 -0

Anyway, Bob Bornholz was certainly an ancient gent when I played him in
Amherst Mass, and in the way of things we played chess instead of talking
chess, then it was very late when we were done.

There was a bit of talk before we all sat down [it was an inter-club match]
and 2 visiting Russian academics and masters [at U. Mass] were most
interested in hearing of Marshall Capablanca and Alekhine from this
first-hand source -so interested I couldn't get a word in edgewise.

It was perhaps only polite that Bob got board 1 over these two tyros, but he
was sure to get in f5 early as black, and then we fought it out in the only
game of any length where neither King moved.

After first reporting this a PA resident e-mailed for the game score, but
also in attempts to contact Bob, especially for his memories of Marshall -
though unfortunately I do not think this was achieved, and the living
anecdotes died with the man.

Phil Innes

Chess One wrote:

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On Dec 22, 9:28 pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Did he ever play the other great Chess players of his time ?

Marshall was among the world's top 10 or 12 masters for over 20
years, circa 1904-1925. He played in many international tournaments and
faced just about all the greats of his day. To list the most prominent
in order of date of birth: Winawer, Blackburne, Burn, Mason, Chigorin,
Gunsberg, Tarrasch, Janowski, Teichmann, Lasker, Maroczy, Pillsbury,
Schlechter, Bernstein, Duras, Rubinstein, Spielmann, Vidmar,
Nimzovitch, Tartakower, Capablanca, Bobolyubov, Reti, Alekhine,
Gruenfeld, Euwe, Torre, Sultan Khan, and Fine.

So he did - I had a rare opportunity to play a guy who played against
Marshall in 1923 [!] in New York.

that game is recorded at
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1095054
and a click-through game is available

R. Bornholz v F. Marshall, went 67 moves, and resulted 1-0 in what was
called a Horwitz Defence [mybe still is?], of the Dutch, or A80 anyway. I am
a bit uncertain why Marshall did not attempt to take a draw at move 45 by
exchanging Queens, but a pawn-down he continued with the Queens on, but at
54 Qb7, Bornholz forced the exchange, and converted a pawn to force the
result.

This must have been a shock for Frank! Since the Dutch was getting hammered
at the time, at least to the extent that top players did not seem to be
winning much with it, though I think Nimzo-Alekhine was a draw in 1910.

Bornholz seemed to have played also Alekhine [1929] in New York. While
investigating it I wound up at a French-language website, [Sorbonne], which
incidentally shows a beautiful pink postage stamp of Lasker. The site
describes Marshall as 'a fearless chess cowboy who at the first chance would
run into unpredictable complications." Here is their miniature from a 1929
NY simul. French notation.

Alekhine,A -Bornholz,R

New York sim New York,1929

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Cf3 Cf6 4.e3 Ff5 5.c d5 c d5 6.Cc3 Cbd7 7.Ce5 e6 8.g4 Fg6
9.h4 h6 10.C g6 f g6 11.Fd3 Rf7

12.Dc2 C g4 13.Fxg6+Rg8 14.C d5 e d5 15.Df5 Df6 16.D d5+1 -0

Anyway, Bob Bornholz was certainly an ancient gent when I played him in
Amherst Mass, and in the way of things we played chess instead of talking
chess, then it was very late when we were done.

There was a bit of talk before we all sat down [it was an inter-club match]
and 2 visiting Russian academics and masters [at U. Mass] were most
interested in hearing of Marshall Capablanca and Alekhine from this
first-hand source -so interested I couldn't get a word in edgewise.

It was perhaps only polite that Bob got board 1 over these two tyros, but he
was sure to get in f5 early as black, and then we fought it out in the only
game of any length where neither King moved.

After first reporting this a PA resident e-mailed for the game score, but
also in attempts to contact Bob, especially for his memories of Marshall -
though unfortunately I do not think this was achieved, and the living
anecdotes died with the man.

Phil Innes

Great post, very interesting. Thanks, Phil.

Mark Houlsby

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:00:52 -0800, (SAT W-7) wrote:


How close did Marshal ever get to getting to a world championship
match or did he even try to get there ?

He lost overwhelmingly to Lasker for the World Championship. Also
lost a match (non WC) to Capablanca. He was more a tournament player
than a match player.

Thank you all for that information..