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  #31  
Old January 17th 07, 12:12 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Taylor Kingston
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On Jan 16, 3:41 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in glegroups.com...
Chessville is Phil Innes' baby, not mine -- at least, last I heard,
he still called himself their business manager. If he prefers to let
the site mislead readers, leaving known errors there as a monument to
his own ignorance, indolence and stubbornness, who am I to say him nay?


A compulsive abusive, sour loud-mouth out-of-work chess hack?


"Out of work"? Heck, Phil, I've had a steady job with the same
company for over 25 years. Make very good money at it. That's one
reason my disposition is so sweet, except when it comes to suffering
fools, something I don't do gladly.
I wish you much joy with your Chess Gaffes.

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Old January 17th 07, 12:17 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Rob wrote:
Additionally I found some interesting information concerning Tarrasch
and Lasker and their opposing styles and methods of thinking. If you
like I would be happy to include a link.


http://tinyurl.com/ybejof


Rob


This page states that A. Alekhine wrote articles on the supremacy of
Aryan chess vs Jewish 'defensive' chess. Was this the infamous
articles
produced for the nazis?

J.Lohner
ICC + Chessworld.net 'Inconnux'

  #33  
Old January 17th 07, 12:38 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Taylor Kingston
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On Jan 16, 6:17 pm, "Inconnux" wrote:
Rob wrote:
Additionally I found some interesting information concerning Tarrasch
and Lasker and their opposing styles and methods of thinking. If you
like I would be happy to include a link.


http://tinyurl.com/ybejof


This page states that A. Alekhine wrote articles on the supremacy of

Aryan chess vs Jewish 'defensive' chess. Was this the infamous
articles produced for the nazis?


Yes. They appeared in six installments in the Pariser Zeitung, a
German-language newspaper published in Nazi-occupied Paris, in late
March 1941. They were subsequently reprinted in various other German
publications, and soon around the world.
Whether Alekhine himself actually wrote them, or just consented to
put his name to them, or had his name put to them without his consent,
remains a subject of research and controversy. For an examination of
this issue, I recommend Edward Winter's article "Was Alekhine a Nazi"
at www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/alekhine.html . In any event,
they led to Alekhine being shunned like a leper by most of the chess
world after the war ended.
I don't know if the full text of the infamous articles is available
online. An English translation of them appeared in the book "The
Personality of Chess" by Horowitz and Rothenberg (McMillan Company, New
York, 1963).
In terms of content, the articles are of course rubbish concocted to
serve Nazi propaganda aims.

  #34  
Old January 17th 07, 01:10 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Inconnux
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Jan 16, 6:17 pm, "Inconnux" wrote:
Rob wrote:
Additionally I found some interesting information concerning Tarrasch
and Lasker and their opposing styles and methods of thinking. If you
like I would be happy to include a link.


http://tinyurl.com/ybejof


This page states that A. Alekhine wrote articles on the supremacy of

Aryan chess vs Jewish 'defensive' chess. Was this the infamous
articles produced for the nazis?


Yes. They appeared in six installments in the Pariser Zeitung, a
German-language newspaper published in Nazi-occupied Paris, in late
March 1941. They were subsequently reprinted in various other German
publications, and soon around the world.
Whether Alekhine himself actually wrote them, or just consented to
put his name to them, or had his name put to them without his consent,
remains a subject of research and controversy. For an examination of
this issue, I recommend Edward Winter's article "Was Alekhine a Nazi"
at www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/alekhine.html . In any event,
they led to Alekhine being shunned like a leper by most of the chess
world after the war ended.
I don't know if the full text of the infamous articles is available
online. An English translation of them appeared in the book "The
Personality of Chess" by Horowitz and Rothenberg (McMillan Company, New
York, 1963).
In terms of content, the articles are of course rubbish concocted to
serve Nazi propaganda aims.


  #35  
Old January 17th 07, 01:21 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Inconnux
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Bah Google groups didn't post my comments :/

I just stated that it wasn't until I purchased
'My best games of chess 1908-1937 -
Alexander Alekhine Two volumes
bound as one' (Dover edition 1985)
that I ever knew that A.Alekhine denied
writing those articles. It is truely hard
to say whether he did or not. What would
any of us do if a tyranical government
held our wives? I certainly hope he didn't
write them, but articles aside he was a
true great and his games are enjoyable
to go over to this day.

BTW good article by mr Winter.

J.Lohner
'Inconnux'

  #36  
Old January 17th 07, 02:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Rob
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Inconnux wrote:
Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Jan 16, 6:17 pm, "Inconnux" wrote:
Rob wrote:
Additionally I found some interesting information concerning Tarrasch
and Lasker and their opposing styles and methods of thinking. If you
like I would be happy to include a link.

http://tinyurl.com/ybejof

This page states that A. Alekhine wrote articles on the supremacy of
Aryan chess vs Jewish 'defensive' chess. Was this the infamous
articles produced for the nazis?


Yes. They appeared in six installments in the Pariser Zeitung, a
German-language newspaper published in Nazi-occupied Paris, in late
March 1941. They were subsequently reprinted in various other German
publications, and soon around the world.
Whether Alekhine himself actually wrote them, or just consented to
put his name to them, or had his name put to them without his consent,
remains a subject of research and controversy. For an examination of
this issue, I recommend Edward Winter's article "Was Alekhine a Nazi"
at www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/alekhine.html . In any event,
they led to Alekhine being shunned like a leper by most of the chess
world after the war ended.
I don't know if the full text of the infamous articles is available
online. An English translation of them appeared in the book "The
Personality of Chess" by Horowitz and Rothenberg (McMillan Company, New
York, 1963).
In terms of content, the articles are of course rubbish concocted to
serve Nazi propaganda aims.


Jason,
I think a very interesting position is on chess and philosophy. It is
an interesting contrast.
Rob

  #37  
Old January 17th 07, 05:15 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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On Jan 16, 9:32 am, "Rob" wrote:

don't. Feed back is fine. But to whine about corrections not being made
when you refuse to write to the publication is asinine.


Why? Is he required to do Chessville's homework now? Kingston is
respected well enough in chess history, and especially, in general
chess journalism, to NOT to want to lend his material or name to a
project that he sees as substandard.

Why don't you verify the accuracy of the information and post it
yourself? You have a dog in this fight, Taylor doesn't. He's just
pointing out that your dog is awful damn scrawny and unlikely to win.

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Old January 17th 07, 06:04 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Rob
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SBD wrote:
On Jan 16, 9:32 am, "Rob" wrote:

don't. Feed back is fine. But to whine about corrections not being made
when you refuse to write to the publication is asinine.




..

Why don't you verify the accuracy of the information and post it
yourself? You have a dog in this fight, Taylor doesn't. He's just
pointing out that your dog is awful damn scrawny and unlikely to win.



His Steve,
I was commenting on his statement that he had not seen any correction
to any material when he has not contacted anyone about it, so far as I
know. I was just pointing out how unreasonable it is to complain about
a change not occuring when you don't tell the publication. I don't
expect Taylor to correct anything for anyone. But it is not very
logical to expect that a change under those circumstances.

It would be similar to someone commenting about something you had
written in a publication and wrote about it somewhere where you had no
knowledge of it. Then complaining you didn't correct something.
Especially when all they would have had to do would have been to write
to the publication to bring it to your attention.

So, If he has a complaint or if he wants to correct or comment about
something;saying it here will do nothing to effect that.

Thanks,
Rob

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Old January 17th 07, 06:58 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Inconnux
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Jason,
I think a very interesting position is on chess and philosophy. It is
an interesting contrast.
Rob


Yes but I do think its linking of talmudic studies and chess is really
stretching it. On the contrasts between lasker and tarrasch,
I personally prefer the games of E.Lasker because I find his
games far more 'creative'. I personally think Tarrasch's games
are boring but that is a personal taste.

Do people of Jewish decent excell at chess? sure why not...
Most of the Jewish people I know are very intelligent. But then
again I would say that as a race Russians have had the most
success

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Old January 17th 07, 01:35 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Rob
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Inconnux wrote:
Jason,
I think a very interesting position is on chess and philosophy. It is
an interesting contrast.
Rob



Yes but I do think its linking of talmudic studies and chess is really
stretching it. On the contrasts between lasker and tarrasch,
I personally prefer the games of E.Lasker because I find his
games far more 'creative'. I personally think Tarrasch's games
are boring but that is a personal taste.


I agree. I find it interesting to observe others opinions and their use
of logical linking. I cannot say there isn't a coorelation. I would
tend to take a more generalistic approach. Now I do believe that there
is a strong coorelation between mathematical ability and chess.

Rob

Do people of Jewish decent excell at chess? sure why not...
Most of the Jewish people I know are very intelligent. But then
again I would say that as a race Russians have had the most
success


 




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