Mike Murray writes:

On 18 Mar 2007 00:07:14 -0700, "Jerzy" wrote:


there is no such a thing as OTB rating in blitz. So you cannot
compare OTB blitz rating with on-line one.

The USCF has ratings for events as fast as Game-10.

For many years, U.S. GM Walter Browne ran an association dedicated to
blitz chess, which published a magazine and maintained a ratings list.
It's been defunct for a couple years now. Here's a link about it:
http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_174.htm

When the WBCA folded in 2004, the USCF started rating games as fast as
Game/5 under its 'Quick' ratings system.
--
Mike Nolan

On 18 Mar 2007 18:54:41 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

Mike Murray writes:

On 18 Mar 2007 00:07:14 -0700, "Jerzy" wrote:


there is no such a thing as OTB rating in blitz. So you cannot
compare OTB blitz rating with on-line one.

The USCF has ratings for events as fast as Game-10.

For many years, U.S. GM Walter Browne ran an association dedicated to
blitz chess, which published a magazine and maintained a ratings list.
It's been defunct for a couple years now. Here's a link about it:
http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/mi/article_174.htm

When the WBCA folded in 2004, the USCF started rating games as fast as
Game/5 under its 'Quick' ratings system.

Thanks, Mike. Am I missing something, or is the USCF rating info on
the website incorrect ? Nothing I found there mentions anything under
Game-10.

Mike Murray writes:

When the WBCA folded in 2004, the USCF started rating games as fast as
Game/5 under its 'Quick' ratings system.

Thanks, Mike. Am I missing something, or is the USCF rating info on
the website incorrect ? Nothing I found there mentions anything under
Game-10.

There wasn't a big announcement at the time, I'm not sure why.
(Goichberg was the ED at the time.)

The archives of the 'Bits and Pieces' columns from the printed rating
supplements from Feb 2004 on correctly note that G/5 is part of the quick
system.

Also, see http://www.uschess.org/ratings/info/intro.pdf

What pages were you were looking at, so we can get them updated?
--
Mike Nolan

On 18 Mar 2007 19:47:03 GMT, (Mike Nolan) wrote:

Mike Murray writes:

When the WBCA folded in 2004, the USCF started rating games as fast as
Game/5 under its 'Quick' ratings system.

Thanks, Mike. Am I missing something, or is the USCF rating info on
the website incorrect ? Nothing I found there mentions anything under
Game-10.

There wasn't a big announcement at the time, I'm not sure why.
(Goichberg was the ED at the time.)

The archives of the 'Bits and Pieces' columns from the printed rating
supplements from Feb 2004 on correctly note that G/5 is part of the quick
system.

Also, see http://www.uschess.org/ratings/info/intro.pdf

What pages were you were looking at, so we can get them updated?

http://www.uschess.org/ratings/ratings_news.html

"...Tournaments with time controls of G/10 to G/29 will continue to be
rated using only the quick rating system...."

which implied to me that G/5 wasn't rated.

and

http://www.uschess.org/ratings/info/time.html

where it says

"Quick Chess - A Quick Chess event is for a person who wishes to play
many games in one day and not have the results affect his regular
rating. The time controls in a Quick Chess tournament are 10 minutes
through 29 minutes per player (Game/10 -Game/29 inclusive). "

There might have been other places, but these are the two I remember.

Mike Murray writes:

http://www.uschess.org/ratings/ratings_news.html

http://www.uschess.org/ratings/info/time.html

Thanks. (I had found the first of those by by searching the website
earlier today, but not the second one.)

Both of those have now been updated to indicate that G/5 is quick-ratable.

However, I seem to recall there was a hard floor of 5 minutes that applies
to delay mode clocks, so that Game/3 + 2 seconds delay cannot be considered
equivalent to Game/5. I'll have to check with the office on that one.

If people find other references to G/10 rather than G/5, please email
them to and to , so we can get
them updated. (If they're on PDF files, I don't have the tools to update
those, that will have to be done by the Publications Dept. There are still
PDFs out on the website with the New Windsor address on them. :sigh
--
Mike Nolan

"help bot" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Mar 17, 9:47 pm, "Good Moves are worth BEANS!"
wrote:

Lastly, there is the small matter of mouse,
typing, or touch-pad speed differences among the
machines themselves to factor in. I have known
players who claim that typing the (blitz or bullet)
moves is significantly faster than using a mouse,
or who even use a third party to do this for them
while they call out the moves verbally! Obviously,
this makes any closely-contested games depend
all too heavily on secondary issues, rather than
what we normally consider to be real chess skill.
It also seems to give the younger players a big
edge over their older, slower-reflexed rivals.

For this reason, players with a bullet rating over 100 points higher
than their blitz rating go on my "ignore" list. It's also why I have
pretty much settled on 3.2 (three minute game with a 2 second per move
increment). It's fast enough to discourage alternate computer
cheating and slow enough to make mouse skill less decisive.

There's really no such thing as "mouse-skill". I'm assuming you're using
a
decent, wired mouse thats comfortable, doesn't skip or have a mind of
it's
own (logitech are known for this) and that you have it set to an
appropriate speed. Beyond that, it's about the judicious use of premove
and
in making good decisions quickly.

You seem very quick to make silly assumptions,
Skippy.

These days I am using a notebook computer, which
has no mouse,

Help Bitch, did nobody explain to your dumb ass that you can plug a mouse
into the usb port of your laptop and voila, you now have a mouse? You're
right, I made the "silly assumption" that even a demonstrated imbecile such
as yourself could figure this out. I have a laptop (and two desktops) and
play on my laptop all the time. The touchpad is ok for basic stuff and web
surfing. For time-sensitive activities you simply plug a mouse in. There's
no problem here.

JMR

"help bot" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:30 pm, "Good Moves are worth BEANS!"
wrote:

The only thing obvious here Help-Bitch, is that you're a very dumb guy
who
makes alot
of assumptions and has no capacity for reasoning. For starters,
you're assuming that we're talking about playing on the crappy free chess
servers that you're used to playing on where cheating with a program is
possible. If you had the ability to read and understand English at a
level
beyond elementary school, you would have understood that we were talking
about the playchess.com server where it's not possible to "fire up an
engine" for speed games.

Hint: it takes *two* machines

You retarded little cretin....what part of "SPEED GAMES" didn't enter into
your thick skull. This is the reason that fast speed games such as bullet
are so popular on the internet. On a secure server such as playchess.com
there is no way to cheat. This has all been explained to you repeatedly, but
you still somehow can't understand.

Help-Bitch, you are, bar-none, the DUMBEST cocksucker i've come across in a
long time. You need everything explained to you in a way a four year old can
understand, and even then you generally don't get it. You can stop making
references to the crappy free sites that you play at such as Yahoo or Pogo
where it's easy to hack the interface and run an engine in real time. We're
referring to a secure server such as playchess.com You've been told
repeatedly. How many more times do you need to be told?



Additionally, I wouldn't expect a mentally-defective imbecile like
yourself
to understand this concept Help-Bitch, but on average, the biases, such
as
playing on overrated player one game and an underrated player a different
game tend to balance out. Net result: Your online rating will be very
close
to your OTB rating at similiar time controls.

This only works out if the overall rating pools have
similar ratings, which is a neat trick when the USCF
giveth or taketh away bonus,

Not true Help-Bitch. The USCF, and other national associations give and take
away points in order to attemp to restore the normallity of the ratings when
inflation/deflation, etc have an effect. As was explained to you already,
the online rating will be very close to your OTB rating. Nobody said it will
be EXACTLY what your OTB rating is. Did you look up or have someone explain
what the word "CLOSE" means yet or are you still confused?

JMR

On Mar 18, 8:26 pm, "Good Moves are worth BEANS!"
wrote:

Lastly, there is the small matter of mouse,
typing, or touch-pad speed differences among the
machines themselves to factor in.

Help Bitch, did nobody explain to your dumb ass that you can plug a mouse
into the usb port of your laptop and voila, you now have a mouse?

Yes, yes, I knew this. The trouble here is that I am
using my "laptop" computer just where it says: (on a
small metal tray) on my lap; there is no room for a
mouse pad and mouse. Besides this, I mainly use
the computer for reading, not playing chess, and
when I do play chess these days it is not blitz or
bullet, but real chess, where you have to think.

Just the same, if I ever do decide to play blitz chess
on this computer I will consider finding a place where
I would have the room for a USB mouse.



You're right, I made the "silly assumption" that even a demonstrated
imbecile such as yourself could figure this out.

It's not so much a matter of figuring t out as it is
one of being familiar with computers in general, and
having seen these USB mice in stores, Skippy.


I have a laptop (and two desktops) and
play on my laptop all the time. The touchpad is ok for basic stuff and web
surfing.

Precisely, Skippy.


For time-sensitive activities you simply plug a mouse in. There's
no problem here.

Of course not, providing you are living at home with
your mom and you place the laptop not on your lap,
but on a table where there's lots of room. But I'm
all grown up, Skippy, and oddly enough access the
internet through wireless services where there are
no tables. I admit, this is odd, and I've written
about this before in trying to help Sanny. I also
have a rather odd problem with battery power -- one
which would be irrelevant to most people but which
nevertheless affects my situation at present. In sum,
no way am I going to think about optimizing for blitz
chess right now, since I have far more important
things to do. I used to play online blitz chess for
many hours at a time -- a real addict I was. Now I
prefer the somewhat slower chess, where depth and
subtlety enter more into the play.

-- help bot

On Mar 18, 8:46 pm, "Good Moves are worth BEANS!"
wrote:

understand, and even then you generally don't get it. You can stop making
references to the crappy free sites that you play at such as Yahoo or Pogo
where it's easy to hack the interface and run an engine in real time. We're
referring to a secure server such as playchess.com You've been told
repeatedly. How many more times do you need to be told?

Look, Skippy: everyone knows that there is a *choice*
of time controls at most Web sites, and I expect this
would include Playchess. Now, whatever the cheater
is unable to handle he simply does not attempt, while
if he can handle, say, 5 3 or maybe 10 0 or something
around there, he plays it. The chess program is set up
to run on a separate computer, so it makes no difference
whatever if your server is "secure", as you call it. I know
this is difficult for a poor imbecile like you to understand,
Skippy, but knuckle down and try hard. Two separate
machines means there is no way for the "secure server"
to detect anything except by comparison of the moves
played to some standard, and this, too, is easily
defeated using stealth. I'll leave the details of that to
another lesson, since I don't want you to have a brain
hemorrhage or get severe migraines.

Way back when, there was a time when the strongest
chess computers in the world came in the form of stand-
alone machines, bearing names like Mephisto or what
have you. One of the chess players I knew was so
obsessed with this that he would order each new model
as it came out, asking all his acquaintances over to
"test" its strength. Naturally, this small sample did not
always suffice to satisfy his insatiable curiosity and thus
he would go online, under his own ID, and play each of
them against the best opposition he could find. If these
strong opponents insisted on blitz time controls, then
blitz it was. No "secure server" ever impeded his testing,
so far as I know. Others I knew were not nearly so
obsessed, but just the same they mimicked this idea
playing online under various IDs.


This only works out if the overall rating pools have
similar ratings, which is a neat trick when the USCF
giveth or taketh away bonus,

Not true Help-Bitch. The USCF, and other national associations give and take
away points in order to attimp to restore the normalllitee of the ratings when
inflation/deflation, etc have an effect. As was explained to you already,
the online rating will be very close to your OTB rating. Nobody said it will
be EXACTLY what your OTB rating is. Did you look up or have someone explain
what the word "CLOSE" means yet or are you still confused?

You are basically right, Skippy. But *over the years* the
USCF, for instance, has deliberately manipulated their
ratings pool up or back down, and this is what I was
referring to, not "normal" attempts to keep things smooth
and steady. Probably, you were not even born back then;
or perhaps you knew nothing of these follies on account
of living in Winterpeg, not the USA. Essentially, my barb
was directed specifically at the ridiculous USCF, at its
long history of tinkering with members' ratings like a cat
with a play toy.

-- coach bot

"Jerzy" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 18 Mar, 02:09, "Good Moves are worth BEANS!"
wrote:

Jerzy is a spineless coward that doesn't know his head from his ass. You
should know better than to try to have an intelligent debate with this
guy.
He doesn't even have enough balls to meet online for a few games.

I often play on playchess.com under nick
"Jerzy64" (check my stats there) and I have never met you there.

"Jerzy", you're a lying piece of **** and everyone here knows it. I'm on
Playchess.com every day and made NUMEROUS attempts in the past to arrange
some games with you. You backed down every time. Your nonsense is getting
very stale.

JMR


Anyway, I can tell you from not just my experience, but everyone else I
know
who plays on playchess.com that the blitz ratings there and otb are very
very close. And you're right, it does take a bit of time to get
comfortable
with the different format. After a few weeks or so of playing online you
will get a rating which is very close to your OTB at similar time
controls.

Rzepa, there is no such a thing as OTB rating in blitz.

More evidence of the incredibly stupidity of this moron"Jerzy" or whatever
the real name that cowardly hides behind that alias is. There are HUNDREDS
of chess clubs that have OTB blitz ratings, including our Manitoba club.
We've even had some rated national OTB blitz events and the new CFC website
will soon be publishing them.

And my name is Jason REPA. Unlike you I don't cowardly hide behind aliases
and I don't back down from challenges.