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"Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title
of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. According to Staunton, the pamphlet emanated from the London Chess Club. Has anyone seen a copy, please, or know where one can be seen? Thanks and regards, John Townsend, Howard Staunton Research Project: http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/...es\Page324.htm |
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"John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. This is not to contradict you, but just to note that another date for that publication is 1832 //Sunnocks. This is not a typo, [since she gives the date twice in different contexts and on different pages] but may be an error? I'll look for any correlating dates from other sources - She also adds that Walker founded the Westminister chess club. According to Staunton, the pamphlet emanated from the London Chess Club. No clues from Sunnucks, and I rather doubt the the Liverpool Mercury have digitized their archive, but London papers of the time may have carried reports or even verbatim copy. I think Spectator was in existance at the time? Ask Ray Keene who currently has a column there. Has anyone seen a copy, please, or know where one can be seen? I also struck out with Falkener's book from 1892, who does not even mention Walker, though he does bracket the date with other significant chess publications, with Christie 1801, Gallus Becker 1838, Van Oppen in "Schachzeitung" 1847, Herbert Coleridge 1855 and in Forbes' history 1860, de Fouquieres 1869. ~ though these are all chess historians. On to Eales: who does say "Whereas the last important English editon of the /Analyze/ was George Walker's in 1832, there were 20 edition in Spanish 1832-1930 he gives date Westminister club 1831, there is an interesting ref also to the Divan [where is that archive] since it held 'the leading chess publications' Walker's business was orig. in publishing and AH! "He began the first popular chess column in 1835, in /Bell's Life in London./ There are also editions of his attempted chess publication, the /Philidorian/ 1838. Eales AFFIRMS the 1832 date for /The Treatise/ 'at the then unheard of price of three shillings and sixpence, with an improved edition of 5 shillings.' [this ref indicates it was inexpensive, but there was strong price cutting competition from a rival]. Another potential clue from Eales is by way of Staunton, and The Great Exhibition, 1851. Though it seemed Walker wanted to boycott Stuanton's efforts, and he wrote why in Bell's Life. You might also research, The Chess Player's Chronicle, which folded in 1862. This, alas, exhausts all easy references. Cordially, Phil Innes Thanks and regards, John Townsend, Howard Staunton Research Project: http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/...es\Page324.htm |
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Thanks for reply from "Chess One".
No doubt about the date of the pamphlet. "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" was published in 1841. Its recent appearance is noted in the Chess Player's Chronicle during 1841. Thanks and regards, John Townsend, Howard Staunton Research Project: http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/...es\Page324.htm |
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On Apr 8, 10:15 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. This is not to contradict you, but just to note that another date for that publication is 1832 //Sunnocks. Mr. Townsend may clarify this point himself, but it seemed rather clear to me that he was *not* giving 1841 as the date of Walker's treatise. Rather he gives that as the date of the _pamphlet_ making "Observations" on Walker's treatise. |
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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
oups.com... On Apr 8, 10:15 am, "Chess One" wrote: "John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. This is not to contradict you, but just to note that another date for that publication is 1832 //Sunnocks. Mr. Townsend may clarify this point himself, but it seemed rather clear to me that he was *not* giving 1841 as the date of Walker's treatise. Rather he gives that as the date of the _pamphlet_ making "Observations" on Walker's treatise. In fact, 1841 is the date of both. The treatise went through various editions, the most recent of which had been a 1841 edition, which was the object of the attack made in the pamphlet. The pamphlet may be rare. I see no mention of it in the British Library catalogue - assuming I am searching for it correctly . John |
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On Apr 8, 12:44 pm, "John Townsend"
wrote: "Taylor Kingston" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 8, 10:15 am, "Chess One" wrote: "John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. This is not to contradict you, but just to note that another date for that publication is 1832 //Sunnocks. Mr. Townsend may clarify this point himself, but it seemed rather clear to me that he was *not* giving 1841 as the date of Walker's treatise. Rather he gives that as the date of the _pamphlet_ making "Observations" on Walker's treatise. In fact, 1841 is the date of both. The treatise went through various editions, the most recent of which had been a 1841 edition, which was the object of the attack made in the pamphlet. Ah, thanks for the clarification, John. The pamphlet may be rare. I see no mention of it in the British Library catalogue - assuming I am searching for it correctly . The only other likely source I can think of is the White collection of the Cleveland Public Library. I know they have some definite rarities -- I got Cluley's "The Philosophy of Chess" (1857), a rather obscure work, from them a couple of years ago. |
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"John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Taylor Kingston" wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 8, 10:15 am, "Chess One" wrote: "John Townsend" wrote in message ... "Observations upon a new treatise of chess, by George Walker" is the title of a pamphlet which ridicules the alterations to the laws of chess proposed in Walker's "New treatise on chess", 1841. This is not to contradict you, but just to note that another date for that publication is 1832 //Sunnocks. Mr. Townsend may clarify this point himself, but it seemed rather clear to me that he was *not* giving 1841 as the date of Walker's treatise. Rather he gives that as the date of the _pamphlet_ making "Observations" on Walker's treatise. In fact, 1841 is the date of both. I understand the /reflet/ date of the latter pamphlet, but do not understand how there can be 'no doubt' when two historians cite 1832 for the work itself. Of course, historians may cite each other and perpetuate an original error, but this would seem to be a /reasonable doubt/, no?, but rather than quibble - Quick! Jump to Amazon where there is an edition of the original book h/b for $10. [republished 1946] Comments: Publisher: Sherwood, Gilbert & Piper Date of Publication: 1946 Binding: Cloth Edition: FOURTH EDITION Condition: Very Good Description: 4-1/2" X 7" X 1" Woodcut frontispiece (chess board). Untrimmed in original blindtooled cloth. missing the spine. NEEDS TO BE REBOUND. PART OF THE BINDING EDGE IS IN THE BOOK AT PAGE 72/73. THE TEXT IS CLEAN BUT BEGINNING TO YELLOW. In looking around I did find a copy of Walker's Chess and Chess Players 1850. //Willis and Southeran /Strand. Cat No. 14500 Phil Innes The treatise went through various editions, the most recent of which had been a 1841 edition, which was the object of the attack made in the pamphlet. The pamphlet may be rare. I see no mention of it in the British Library catalogue - assuming I am searching for it correctly . John |
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Chess One wrote:
I understand the /reflet/ date of the latter pamphlet, but do not understand how there can be 'no doubt' when two historians cite 1832 for the work itself. The first edition was published in 1832 -- according to Walker's own notice in The Philidorian (p. 254), "New Treatise on Chess" was a 80 p 12mo. According to the same notice, the second edition (no date, but must precede The Philidorian itself, thus 1838 or earlier) was a 160 page small 8vo. No doubt later editions added to that. But with such radical changes between the first and second edition (an extra 80 pages, as well as an increase in page size), actual contents becomes important: what edition has the contents that "Observations" refers to? All of them? Or only the latest one? -- Anders Thulin ath*algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~ath |
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John Townsend wrote:
The pamphlet may be rare. I see no mention of it in the British Library catalogue - assuming I am searching for it correctly . It may be classified as ephemeral John -- Anders Thulin ath*algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~ath |
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