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On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, "Rob" wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:39 pm, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 1:30 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 11:08 am, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 9:49 am, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 8, 10:46 am, "Ambassador" wrote: On Apr 7, 4:27 pm, Kenneth Sloan wrote: samsloan wrote: You should not use the word "lie". That will get you banned. That's a lie. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ Sam Sloan is a liar. I am a certified TD and a life member of the USCF. The organization is run by perverts, such as the convicted kidnapper, Sam Sloan. Where is the lie? The truth of the sitaution is that we are dealing with the problems of having a convicted kidnapper serve as a corporate officer. The USCF looks foolish. Sam Sloan went to prision for kidnapping. He has my vote! If people can't see the harm this convicted felon does in serving as a corporate officer, then why even have elections? Marcus Roberts I spoke with the vice president of human resources for a major international company today and he advised me that Mr. Hall should immediatly contact an attorney. He also informed me I was correct in the HIPPA violation of Mr. Sloan. He also advised me that if the Executive board did not take immediate,positive action to silence and or remove Mr. Sloan then the USCF would be exposed to a greater liability by their failure to act and protect the federal rights of an employee. If he told you that, then he does not understand the situation. Why don't you give me his number and I will explain it to him? Meanwhile, I am going by what the official on the US Government hotline told me. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoke to them as well. It's amazing what kinds of answers you get when you give all of the information in the correct contect. They were nice enough to give me two additional federal departments to file additional complaints with. Congratulations, you have violated three different Fedreal laws! They also advised he contact a private attorney because their investigations would take several months due to a backlog of cases. Rob MItchell, LUTCF Rots of Ruck. You claim that complaining that our Executive Director is frequently out sick is a violation of his right to privacy. He has a right to his privacy and we have a right to fire him, Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mr. Sloan, An employer always has a right to review an employees performance and privatly council them regarding it. You DO NOT have the right as an employer to discuss any information from his confidential employment records publically . The most honorable thing for you to do Sam would be to resign from your current position to spare the USCF potential exposure to litigation. The choice is yours as to how this comes out. Rob Mitchell, LUTCF --- In , "robmtchl" robmtchl@... wrote: Eric,If Sam Sloan had access to your personal,private medical information while you worked for the USCF and he was on the board and he began a systematic accack upon you openly in newsgroups using that provate information and information about you significant other from your personnel files would you not take action? I do not have access to any personal, private medical information about Bill Hall. I only know the various excuses Bill Hall has provided for not coming in to work frequently. I do not know whether these excuses are valid or not or whether he was really sick or not. This explains why Rob Mitchell is full of hot air. I do know that when I called Bill Hall yesterday to ask him about the $24,000 check that he presumably signed that bounced, he was not in the office then either. Sam Sloan |
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On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, "Rob" wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:39 pm, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 1:30 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 11:08 am, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 9:49 am, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 8, 10:46 am, "Ambassador" wrote: On Apr 7, 4:27 pm, Kenneth Sloan wrote: samsloan wrote: You should not use the word "lie". That will get you banned. That's a lie. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ Sam Sloan is a liar. I am a certified TD and a life member of the USCF. The organization is run by perverts, such as the convicted kidnapper, Sam Sloan. Where is the lie? The truth of the sitaution is that we are dealing with the problems of having a convicted kidnapper serve as a corporate officer. The USCF looks foolish. Sam Sloan went to prision for kidnapping. He has my vote! If people can't see the harm this convicted felon does in serving as a corporate officer, then why even have elections? Marcus Roberts I spoke with the vice president of human resources for a major international company today and he advised me that Mr. Hall should immediatly contact an attorney. He also informed me I was correct in the HIPPA violation of Mr. Sloan. He also advised me that if the Executive board did not take immediate,positive action to silence and or remove Mr. Sloan then the USCF would be exposed to a greater liability by their failure to act and protect the federal rights of an employee. If he told you that, then he does not understand the situation. Why don't you give me his number and I will explain it to him? Meanwhile, I am going by what the official on the US Government hotline told me. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoke to them as well. It's amazing what kinds of answers you get when you give all of the information in the correct contect. They were nice enough to give me two additional federal departments to file additional complaints with. Congratulations, you have violated three different Fedreal laws! They also advised he contact a private attorney because their investigations would take several months due to a backlog of cases. Rob MItchell, LUTCF Rots of Ruck. You claim that complaining that our Executive Director is frequently out sick is a violation of his right to privacy. He has a right to his privacy and we have a right to fire him, Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mr. Sloan, An employer always has a right to review an employees performance and privatly council them regarding it. You DO NOT have the right as an employer to discuss any information from his confidential employment records publically . The most honorable thing for you to do Sam would be to resign from your current position to spare the USCF potential exposure to litigation. The choice is yours as to how this comes out. Rob Mitchell, LUTCF --- In , "robmtchl" robmtchl@... wrote: Eric,If Sam Sloan had access to your personal,private medical information while you worked for the USCF and he was on the board and he began a systematic accack upon you openly in newsgroups using that provate information and information about you significant other from your personnel files would you not take action? I do not have access to any personal, private medical information about Bill Hall. I only know the various excuses Bill Hall has provided for not coming in to work frequently. I do not know whether these excuses are valid or not or whether he was really sick or not. This explains why Rob Mitchell is full of hot air. I do know that when I called Bill Hall yesterday to ask him about the $24,000 check that he presumably signed that bounced, he was not in the office then either. Sam Sloan |
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"samsloan" wrote in message ups.com... I do not have access to any personal, private medical information about Bill Hall. I only know the various excuses Bill Hall has provided for not coming in to work frequently. I do not know whether these excuses are valid or not or whether he was really sick or not. This explains why Rob Mitchell is full of hot air. I do know that when I called Bill Hall yesterday to ask him about the $24,000 check that he presumably signed that bounced, he was not in the office then either. Sam Sloan Ho Hum! There are 2 issues he (a) An open question about the extent of the absences of Mr. Hall on USCF's operations. (b) The effectiveness, and indeed legality, of current reporting of the situation. It is unfortunate that concerning (b) above, Sam Sloan does not /acknowledge/ that continuing his assertions is seen by others as very problematical, and where correspondents are dismissed as above, --see 'hot air' comment-- this is as infamous as Moderator Louis Blair's 'nonsense' dismissals about his own actions, which we also note ended in gratuitous destruction. The effect of all, is to shift the issue to Sam Sloan as effective Board Member, and not of any effect on USCF's operations. Who will call this method competent management of an issue? Phil Innes Vermont --------- |
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On Apr 12, 3:17 am, "samsloan" wrote:
On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 2:39 pm, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 1:30 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 11:08 am, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 9:49 am, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 8, 10:46 am, "Ambassador" wrote: On Apr 7, 4:27 pm, Kenneth Sloan wrote: samsloan wrote: You should not use the word "lie". That will get you banned. That's a lie. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ Sam Sloan is a liar. I am a certified TD and a life member of the USCF. The organization is run by perverts, such as the convicted kidnapper, Sam Sloan. Where is the lie? The truth of the sitaution is that we are dealing with the problems of having a convicted kidnapper serve as a corporate officer. The USCF looks foolish. Sam Sloan went to prision for kidnapping. He has my vote! If people can't see the harm this convicted felon does in serving as a corporate officer, then why even have elections? Marcus Roberts I spoke with the vice president of human resources for a major international company today and he advised me that Mr. Hall should immediatly contact an attorney. He also informed me I was correct in the HIPPA violation of Mr. Sloan. He also advised me that if the Executive board did not take immediate,positive action to silence and or remove Mr. Sloan then the USCF would be exposed to a greater liability by their failure to act and protect the federal rights of an employee. If he told you that, then he does not understand the situation. Why don't you give me his number and I will explain it to him? Meanwhile, I am going by what the official on the US Government hotline told me. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoke to them as well. It's amazing what kinds of answers you get when you give all of the information in the correct contect. They were nice enough to give me two additional federal departments to file additional complaints with. Congratulations, you have violated three different Fedreal laws! They also advised he contact a private attorney because their investigations would take several months due to a backlog of cases. Rob MItchell, LUTCF Rots of Ruck. You claim that complaining that our Executive Director is frequently out sick is a violation of his right to privacy. He has a right to his privacy and we have a right to fire him, Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mr. Sloan, An employer always has a right to review an employees performance and privatly council them regarding it. You DO NOT have the right as an employer to discuss any information from his confidential employment records publically . The most honorable thing for you to do Sam would be to resign from your current position to spare the USCF potential exposure to litigation. The choice is yours as to how this comes out. Rob Mitchell, LUTCF --- In , "robmtchl" robmtchl@... wrote: Eric,If Sam Sloan had access to your personal,private medical information while you worked for the USCF and he was on the board and he began a systematic accack upon you openly in newsgroups using that provate information and information about you significant other from your personnel files would you not take action? I do not have access to any personal, private medical information about Bill Hall. I only know the various excuses Bill Hall has provided for not coming in to work frequently. I do not know whether these excuses are valid or not or whether he was really sick or not. This explains why Rob Mitchell is full of hot air. I do know that when I called Bill Hall yesterday to ask him about the $24,000 check that he presumably signed that bounced, he was not in the office then either. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - lol |
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On Apr 12, 3:17 am, "samsloan" wrote:
On Apr 11, 4:01 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 2:39 pm, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 1:30 pm, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 11, 11:08 am, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 9:49 am, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 8, 10:46 am, "Ambassador" wrote: On Apr 7, 4:27 pm, Kenneth Sloan wrote: samsloan wrote: You should not use the word "lie". That will get you banned. That's a lie. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ Sam Sloan is a liar. I am a certified TD and a life member of the USCF. The organization is run by perverts, such as the convicted kidnapper, Sam Sloan. Where is the lie? The truth of the sitaution is that we are dealing with the problems of having a convicted kidnapper serve as a corporate officer. The USCF looks foolish. Sam Sloan went to prision for kidnapping. He has my vote! If people can't see the harm this convicted felon does in serving as a corporate officer, then why even have elections? Marcus Roberts I spoke with the vice president of human resources for a major international company today and he advised me that Mr. Hall should immediatly contact an attorney. He also informed me I was correct in the HIPPA violation of Mr. Sloan. He also advised me that if the Executive board did not take immediate,positive action to silence and or remove Mr. Sloan then the USCF would be exposed to a greater liability by their failure to act and protect the federal rights of an employee. If he told you that, then he does not understand the situation. Why don't you give me his number and I will explain it to him? Meanwhile, I am going by what the official on the US Government hotline told me. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoke to them as well. It's amazing what kinds of answers you get when you give all of the information in the correct contect. They were nice enough to give me two additional federal departments to file additional complaints with. Congratulations, you have violated three different Fedreal laws! They also advised he contact a private attorney because their investigations would take several months due to a backlog of cases. Rob MItchell, LUTCF Rots of Ruck. You claim that complaining that our Executive Director is frequently out sick is a violation of his right to privacy. He has a right to his privacy and we have a right to fire him, Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mr. Sloan, An employer always has a right to review an employees performance and privatly council them regarding it. You DO NOT have the right as an employer to discuss any information from his confidential employment records publically . The most honorable thing for you to do Sam would be to resign from your current position to spare the USCF potential exposure to litigation. The choice is yours as to how this comes out. Rob Mitchell, LUTCF --- In , "robmtchl" robmtchl@... wrote: Eric,If Sam Sloan had access to your personal,private medical information while you worked for the USCF and he was on the board and he began a systematic accack upon you openly in newsgroups using that provate information and information about you significant other from your personnel files would you not take action? I do not have access to any personal, private medical information about Bill Hall. I only know the various excuses Bill Hall has provided for not coming in to work frequently. I do not know whether these excuses are valid or not or whether he was really sick or not. This explains why Rob Mitchell is full of hot air. I do know that when I called Bill Hall yesterday to ask him about the $24,000 check that he presumably signed that bounced, he was not in the office then either. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sam, You either have truthful access to his information or you don't. You are either his employer(member of the board) or you are not.You are either lying about his conditions or you are not. You can't have one without the other. It's all or nothing. Fact is, you are in a position to have damaging information. You promoted yourself as having information and exploited that position and used it as a credible reason to believe your charges. I, sir, am not full of hot air. Unlike some, I do not suffer from an over inflated sense of self worth which demands I make a gadfly of myself. Mr. Hall has demonstrated Jobian tolerance of your abuses. I would suggest you open your eyes and understand that being somewhere and being available are not always the same thing. Rob Mitchell, LUTCF |
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On Apr 11, 12:30 pm, "Rob" wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:08 am, "samsloan" wrote: On Apr 11, 9:49 am, "Rob" wrote: On Apr 8, 10:46 am, "Ambassador" wrote: On Apr 7, 4:27 pm, Kenneth Sloan wrote: samsloan wrote: You should not use the word "lie". That will get you banned. That's a lie. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213 University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473 Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/ Sam Sloan is a liar. I am a certified TD and a life member of the USCF. The organization is run by perverts, such as the convicted kidnapper, Sam Sloan. Where is the lie? The truth of the sitaution is that we are dealing with the problems of having a convicted kidnapper serve as a corporate officer. The USCF looks foolish. Sam Sloan went to prision for kidnapping. He has my vote! If people can't see the harm this convicted felon does in serving as a corporate officer, then why even have elections? Marcus Roberts I spoke with the vice president of human resources for a major international company today and he advised me that Mr. Hall should immediatly contact an attorney. He also informed me I was correct in the HIPPA violation of Mr. Sloan. He also advised me that if the Executive board did not take immediate,positive action to silence and or remove Mr. Sloan then the USCF would be exposed to a greater liability by their failure to act and protect the federal rights of an employee. If he told you that, then he does not understand the situation. Why don't you give me his number and I will explain it to him? Meanwhile, I am going by what the official on the US Government hotline told me. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoke to them as well. It's amazing what kinds of answers you get when you give all of the information in the correct contect. They were nice enough to give me two additional federal departments to file additional complaints with. Congratulations, you have violated three different Fedreal laws! They also advised he contact a private attorney because their investigations would take several months due to a backlog of cases. Rob MItchell, LUTCF- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mr. Sam Sloan attacked Mr. Bill Hall, en employee of the USCF pubically and divulged information of a personal nature that would be included in his confidential medical and employment records. Mr. Sloan has created an atmosphere in which it is hostile to work. Mr. Sloan refuses to retract his comments,temper them or make ammends for the harm he has caused. Mr. Sloan, by his actions, has opened himself and the USCF to lawsuits. For this , In my opinion, he is unfit to serve on the Executive Board. Mr. Sloan has been arrested in the past on drug posesion charges as well as contributing to the deliquency of a minor charge when two Junior High School students were found intoxicated at a location where Mr. Sloan conducted orgies. For this, In My Opinion, he is unfit to serve on the executive board. Mr. Sloan has condoned adult men having explicit relations with girls not yet of the age of majority and has written that "It is impossible to rape a woman". For this blatent dismissal of the adverse effect being made an object of only sexual worth has on the development of young women, Mr. Sloan is in my opinion, unfot to serve. Mr. Sloan has posted images on his website of Japanese Anime' cartoon characters engaging in extremely sexually exploitative positions and situations. These characters are marketed in the 5 to 14 year old age bracket. The apparant lack of judgement and character make Mr. Sloan, in my opinion, unfit to serve on the executive board. |
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On Apr 20, 6:03 pm, samsloan wrote:
--- In , "muskraatt" muskraatt@... wrote: Mr. Sam Sloan attacked Mr. Bill Hall, en employee of the USCF pubically and divulged information of a personal nature that would be included in his confidential medical and employment records. Mr. Sloan has created an atmosphere in which it is hostile to work. Mr. Sloan refuses to retract his comments,temper them or make ammends for the harm he has caused. Mr. Sloan, by his actions, has opened himself and the USCF to lawsuits. For this , In my opinion, he is unfit to serve on the Executive Board. To address the claim he has made above, that only applies to health care providers. I am not a health care provider of Bill Hall nor do I have access to any health or medical records of Bill Hall. You have access due to your position as his employer. We have only your word to take and it does not mean much. I only know that Bill Hall has an absenteeism problem. I do not know whether Mr. Hall was really sick and could not work for that reason. I only know that he often has not worked because he said that he had an infected toe, or had the flu, or was in a car accident, or fell in the shower, or his wife was sick, and that this pattern has raised a concern. You have no idea how many vacation and sick days he is permitted under his contract. Yet you continue to make salicious accusations and further violate EEOC regulations. The law that Rob Mitchell cites above is one that prohibits the staff of Virginia Polytechnic University from stating whether Cho Seung-Hui was crazy. Because of this law, we have no way of knowing whether Cho Seung-Hui was crazy or not. It is also the same law which prevents me from getting your mental evaluation records. Now, Kindly address your drug arrests and your inviting underaged junior high students to an orgy. Sam Sloan |
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"samsloan" wrote in message oups.com... --- In , "muskraatt" muskraatt@... wrote: To address the claim he has made above, that only applies to health care providers. I am not a health care provider of Bill Hall nor do I have access to any health or medical records of Bill Hall. Whatever is true of this situation, here again we see Sam Sloan not being able to recognise the criticism levelled at him for his own behavior. This is to say something different than Rob Mitchell has - I am not asking if Sam Sloan admits his own behavior, but if he can state if understands the issue to the satisfaction of the person who raised it. Its a general criticism of my own to say to 'representatives' that if they are unwilling to even hear the opinions of those they represent, who do they think they are fooling? In this instance Sam Sloan avoids the charge but denying it did it and the identity of his questioner - as if, you know, there are 39 Rob Mitchells posting in this and the Fide group, and his sense that Rob Mitchell was only referring to a health provider. Sam Sloan is unwilling to even /understand/ his responsibility under the law, by his own efforts, and by somewhat artfully misunderstanding his critic. Sam Sloan cannot defend himself with any credability since he is unable to say what the charge is! I only know that Bill Hall has an absenteeism problem. I do not know whether Mr. Hall was really sick and could not work for that reason. Nevertheless Sam Sloan speculated about /specifics/ of Mr. Hall's medical condition. I only know that he often has not worked because he said that he had an infected toe, or had the flu, or was in a car accident, or fell in the shower, or his wife was sick, and that this pattern has raised a concern. Ah! So how do we understand that paragraph to be consequent to the previous one? Is Sam Sloan suggesting that these are 'excuse notes' and fabricated? OR is he actually talking about Hall's /specific/ medical absenses? Now, the trouble with Sloanisms, that having raised an issue about executive staff competency - he then does not detail what effect that has. He has NOT written any plain statement to the effect that absense have had specific ill-effect on the organisation - which WOULD be a fair thing to raise. Neither do we know the extent of these absenses - and if they are extraordinary and limited ones, and therefore completely understandable absenses. Even so - if the effect proved critical on the organisation, so temporary or permanent replacement should be installed, with or without regrets. But no, we see vague, unspecific charges, with what is now 'suggested medical conditions' as not representing Sloan's knowledge, but an escape door that he does not know they are true. I think this may be another reason to question Sloan's responsibility, since this level of suggestion would be unwelcome in any company. The best thing about Sloan is that he DOES raise issues which should never be secret - and which could only have been made secret in the first place because of the self-interest of OTHER people, but he always fudges the issue by going so far over the top as to turn his 'issues' into personalities, and in respect of his OWN ambition to the detriment of others. All this is besides any legal implications raised by Rob Mitchell in respect of HIPPA and EEOC. This is about standards, in this case of being able to differentiate freedom from licence. Phil Innes The law that Rob Mitchell cites above is one that prohibits the staff of Virginia Polytechnic University from stating whether Cho Seung-Hui was crazy. Because of this law, we have no way of knowing whether Cho Seung-Hui was crazy or not. Sam Sloan |
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