I saw an argument today over a touch-move rule, and I can't find a
clear answer.

What happened was, it was white's move and white was making a capture.
White first picked up the black piece off the board to capture. Then
white began moving the white queen to make the capture, but before
finishing the move, he changed his mind and wanted to take with a pawn
instead.

If the touch-move rule is strictly applied, must white take with the
queen?

White argued that he did not because the touch-move rule only applies
to the "first piece" touched, and since the "first piece" he touched
was the black piece, the touch-move rule does not apply to any of his
own pieces that he might touch to make the capture.

Black argued that the touch-move rule applies to both the black night
(white must capture it) AND to the white queen (white must use the
queen to make the capture).

On Apr 21, 9:11 pm, wrote:
I saw an argument today over a touch-move rule, and I can't find a
clear answer.

What happened was, it was white's move and white was making a capture.
White first picked up the black piece off the board to capture. Then
white began moving the white queen to make the capture, but before
finishing the move, he changed his mind and wanted to take with a pawn
instead.

If the touch-move rule is strictly applied, must white take with the
queen?

White argued that he did not because the touch-move rule only applies
to the "first piece" touched, and since the "first piece" he touched
was the black piece, the touch-move rule does not apply to any of his
own pieces that he might touch to make the capture.

Black argued that the touch-move rule applies to both the black night
(white must capture it) AND to the white queen (white must use the
queen to make the capture).

USCF Official Rules of Chess 4th edition on page 18 Touch move rule
(10B)..."a player on the move who deliberately touches one or more
pieces of the same color,in a manner which may reasonably be
interpreted as the beginning of a move,must move or capture the first
piece touched that can be moved or captured."

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wrote:
I saw an argument today over a touch-move rule, and I can't find a
clear answer.

What happened was, it was white's move and white was making a capture.
White first picked up the black piece off the board to capture. Then
white began moving the white queen to make the capture, but before
finishing the move, he changed his mind and wanted to take with a pawn
instead.

If the touch-move rule is strictly applied, must white take with the
queen?

White argued that he did not because the touch-move rule only applies
to the "first piece" touched, and since the "first piece" he touched
was the black piece, the touch-move rule does not apply to any of his
own pieces that he might touch to make the capture.

Black argued that the touch-move rule applies to both the black night
(white must capture it) AND to the white queen (white must use the
queen to make the capture).

Black is correct. White is incorrect; the rule applies to the first
enemy piece you touch AND the first of your own pieces you touch.
If you touch one of your opponent's pieces, you must capture it, if
possible. If you touch one of your own pieces, you must move it, if
possible. If you touch one of your opponent's pieces AND one your
own pieces, you must take the first with the second, if possible.


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wrote:
I saw an argument today over a touch-move rule, and I can't find a
clear answer.

What happened was, it was white's move and white was making a capture.
White first picked up the black piece off the board to capture.

At this point, White is committed to capturing the black piece (if there
is a legal move that captures that piece).

Then
white began moving the white queen to make the capture,

White is now committed to capturing the black piece already moved with
the white queen (if that is a legal move).

Period. End of story. Everything else is now irrelevant.

but before
finishing the move, he changed his mind and wanted to take with a pawn
instead.

Can't do it.


If the touch-move rule is strictly applied, must white take with the
queen?

Yes.


White argued that he did not because the touch-move rule only applies
to the "first piece" touched, and since the "first piece" he touched
was the black piece, the touch-move rule does not apply to any of his
own pieces that he might touch to make the capture.

White is angle-shooting scum and should be shunned. His argument is
incorrect.


Black argued that the touch-move rule applies to both the black night
(white must capture it) AND to the white queen (white must use the
queen to make the capture).

Black is correct.




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Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

On Apr 21, 9:11 pm, wrote:
I saw an argument today over a touch-move rule, and I can't find a
clear answer.

What happened was, it was white's move and white was making a capture.
White first picked up the black piece off the board to capture. Then
white began moving the white queen to make the capture, but before
finishing the move, he changed his mind and wanted to take with a pawn
instead.

If the touch-move rule is strictly applied, must white take with the
queen?

White argued that he did not because the touch-move rule only applies
to the "first piece" touched, and since the "first piece" he touched
was the black piece, the touch-move rule does not apply to any of his
own pieces that he might touch to make the capture.

Black argued that the touch-move rule applies to both the black night
(white must capture it) AND to the white queen (white must use the
queen to make the capture).

White should learn how to move the pieces. Every player worth their
salt grabs their piece first in hand and gracefully snaps up the
captured piece, replacing it with their piece, in one, swift motion.
Must be a newbie.