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The New York Times for March 3, 1992 reported:
The most recent such event was the Melody Amber Tournament at the Vista Palace Hotel in Roquebrune/ Cap Martin, Monaco. (The tourney name is that of the infant daughter of the sponsor, J. J. van Oosterom, the former director of Volmac Software Group.) Twelve of the world's best players (but not the world champion, Gary Kasparov) came for the double-round competition, which took place from Feb. 3 to 12. Vasily Ivanchuk of Ukraine won the $20,000 first prize with a 14-8 score. Viswanathan Anand of India was awarded the $17,000 second prize for his 13 1/2-8 1/2 tally. Anatoly Karpov of Russia, Ljubomir Ljubojevic of Yugoslavia and Viktor Korchnoi of Switzerland shared third place with 12 1/2-9 1/2. =============================== There were two halves of the tournament. If the first half, the players played a round robin of 30-minute "action chess". In the second half, they played a round robin of blindfold chess. After that, the scores for the two events were combined to produce an overall winner. As there were 12 players, each player played a total of 22 games. These tournaments are not rated and are not official competitions recognized by FIDE. Unfortunately, back in 1992 the news sources that we rely on today did not exist yet. The Internet was not fully developed. There was no rec.games.politics . That started in 1994. There was no TWIC. That started in 1994 as well. There was no mention of this event in Chess Life magazine. I do not have access to "New in Chess" for that year. Thus, it is difficult to evaluate the claim that these events constitute any sort of "world championship" or part of a "triple crown". Sam Sloan |
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samsloan wrote: The New York Times for March 3, 1992 reported: The most recent such event was the Melody Amber Tournament at the Vista Palace Hotel in Roquebrune/ Cap Martin, Monaco. (The tourney name is that of the infant daughter of the sponsor, J. J. van Oosterom, the former director of Volmac Software Group.) Twelve of the world's best players (but not the world champion, Gary Kasparov) came for the double-round competition, which took place from Feb. 3 to 12. Vasily Ivanchuk of Ukraine won the $20,000 first prize with a 14-8 score. Viswanathan Anand of India was awarded the $17,000 second prize for his 13 1/2-8 1/2 tally. Anatoly Karpov of Russia, Ljubomir Ljubojevic of Yugoslavia and Viktor Korchnoi of Switzerland shared third place with 12 1/2-9 1/2. =============================== There were two halves of the tournament. If the first half, the players played a round robin of 30-minute "action chess". In the second half, they played a round robin of blindfold chess. After that, the scores for the two events were combined to produce an overall winner. As there were 12 players, each player played a total of 22 games. These tournaments are not rated and are not official competitions recognized by FIDE. Unfortunately, back in 1992 the news sources that we rely on today did not exist yet. The Internet was not fully developed. There was no rec.games.politics . That started in 1994. There was no TWIC. That started in 1994 as well. There was no mention of this event in Chess Life magazine. I do not have access to "New in Chess" for that year. Sam Sloan is, I think, once again, dead wrong. The thing is, if you look back to the issues for, say, the months of February or March, you may not find what you seek because Chess Life was notoriously slow in their coverage of such events. In order to find this particular event I would probably begin by looking through the issue that came out in April or May of 1992. Then you need to work forward, as I would not rule out coverage *months* after the fact by these, the kings of sloth. The very idea that such a powerful slate of players would be overlooked entirely is a bit strange, and the editors never missed a chance to get in a shot for Gary Kasparov, here, pointing out his absence would be an obvious one. For anyone with access to a complete set, the year-end index would be an answer, if one could find it. Anyway, one need not rely on Chess Life for this sort of information, since the definitive source for all info these days is Google. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And do you know *why* Gary Kasparov was absent from this big event? Of course, it was to protect his reputation as world champion, but also he was sorely needed to relay the winning moves to BF, who was playing Boris Spassky and had forgotten how to play after twenty years! Poor BS thought he was playing a rusty old man, but in fact it was GK, trying his best to "emulate" Bobby Fischer. Moves were relayed via radiowaves, transmitted to the (new) fillings in BF's teeth. Despite some technical difficulties (evident in the moves themselves), the scheme worked well enough for the two men to split over $5 million. It is a little-known fact that GK selected all his moves while playing blindfolded; GM Kasparov explained, matter of factly: "I don't need to see the board to beat Spassky, these days". The mass media, along with piddledee-nothing rags like Chess Life, covered the Fischer event and barely mentioned the concurrent Melody Amber tourney. Such is the state of America that the cult of celebrity- worship has taken over completely. On top of this, writers like GM Larry Evans took up the gauntlet and declared that the popular "Action chess", as it was called, was a sign that chess was being -- and I quote: "dumbed down". That's a good one, coming from a man who, upon repeatedly being corrected for his many analytical errors by "patzers armed with Chessmaster", simply curled up into a ball and announced that he would not analyze anymore! LOL Yet even in the old days, players like world champions Lasker, Capablanca, and Tal were known for playing fast chess or blindfold. -- help bot |
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We have all heard over and over again that Polgar claims to have won
the Woman's World Championship four times and to have won the "Triple Crown" of Woman's Chess. I have been wondering where this claim came from. Now I have found it. It is in the book "Queen of the King's Game" pages 55-57 and 218-219. The Blitz and Rapid Play tournaments were held over three days in Budapest in May 1992. They were organized by her father, Laszlo Polgar. Every country in the world was sent invitations but only 24 players showed up. There were a few strong players. In addition to the three Polgar sisters, there was Chiburdanidze, Galliamova and Akakhamia. On the other hand, none of the Chinese women, including the world champion Xie Jun, came, nor did Cramling come. These events were not reported in any chess magazine. The games are not available in any chess database. The event was not rated or reported by FIDE. Anybody can organize a chess tournament and call it a "world championship". It is up to the public to decide whether these are real world championships or not. Sam Sloan |
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Play over the speech by the Provost of Texas Tech University at
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/communicati...graduation.php Do you think that when he said that she was the "winner of four Woman's World Championships", that she was the winner of the Triple Crown in Chess and that she won the Woman's World Championship in 2006, he realized that he realized that most of this was campaign puffery? Somebody should make a transcript of that short speech and then we should count the many false statements there. Sam Sloan |
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financial records pre-dating the move to Crossville have been lost, destroyed, misplaced or cannot be found. Even at the first meeting of the new board on August 5, 2007, when asked about a certain document, Bill Hall said that it was "in the landfill". Again, the tape of that meeting has not been posted to the governance website, in violation of the by-laws. That is why the rest of you cannot hear him make that statement. Sam Sloan |
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mentioned in the speech by the provost is that it is disputed. Check the Internet and you will see a lot of questions being raised about that claim. Of course, I was not there so I do not know if it was true or not. Also, any of could have done it, if we had had the stamina to stay awake that long. I think I could probably do it, provided that my opponents were weak enough. Sam Sloan |
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By the way, Jerry Hanken and Don Schultz said that they had heard much the same thing. Next, are you really claiming that Susan Polgar won the Woman's World Championship four times, that she Won the Triple Crown of chess, that she was the first woman to play for the Overall World Chess Championship and that she won the Woman's World Championship in 2006? These are all statements made by the Provost with Susan standing next to him. If you are claiming that all of this is true, can you document where she won these events? Sam Sloan |
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"samsloan" wrote in message ... Quote:
The reason you do not hear much about that claim lately and it is not mentioned in the speech by the provost is that it is disputed. 17 Squirrels, compromising the Squirrels Righteous Union of Squirrels dispute it. Check the Internet and you will see a lot of questions being raised about that claim. Ah, the internet! Of course, I was not there so I do not know if it was true or not. Ah, a wanton supposition from a wanton sort of guy? Only way you can get any attention, right? You and Eric on 'your' newsgroup comprise, like the entire deal, as we say in Ca, meanwhile the real Suze gets mega hits! You ever consider 'going over'? The operation and the whole thing? Personally I have known guys who handled it. Also, any of could have done it, if we had had the stamina to stay awake that long. You are what? 60-something? I kinow, the legs go, then pfft! what are we? I think I could probably do it, provided that my opponents were weak enough. Why don't you actually try it? All you have to do is to get hundreds of players to show up in any location for charity, walk the loop for 18 miles [? was it] and score like 95%. Chess is a show me, not tell me game. If you can't do it, don't mouth off! ROFL ****ing Hell! That's like some cheap patzer talk, like Ray and Marcuse and Taylor! Do it if you can do it. Otherwise shut the **** up Sloan! As a one-issue candidaTe, are you pitching for a vagina implant? That's where the smart money is speculating ))Phil Innes Sam Sloan |
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Girls Under-16, which was held in England. The significance of what Don found is that the 1981 event is not generally recognized as an official FIDE event. It was the 1982 event held in Dresden, Germany that is generally considered to have been the first World Championship for Girls Under-16. Susan Polgar did not win that one. Don Schultz found an official FIDE publication which listed the 1981 event, so is seems that FIDE recognized that one retroactively. None of this addresses the question that Susan claims to have won the "Woman's World Championship four times" and includes the 1981 event in England as one of these four times but few people feel that winning a tournament for girls under-16 is the same as winning the Woman's World Championship. Next, the two certificates you post are on the wall of Laszlo Polgar's home in Budapest. I see the words "Melody Amber" on them. However, Melody Amber is an organization that runs highly publicized blindfold and rapid tournaments in Monaco. These events in Budapest in 1992 are nowhere listed as Melody Amber tournaments. They are also not listed anywhere in any list of FIDE tournaments. In fact, they are not listed anywhere at all. I understand that Laszlo Polgar, Susan's father, organized the 1992 event himself and had these certificates made. They do not look like they were made at the time of the event. They were probably made later. I do not know what those two illegible signatures on the certificates are. I do not see how two certificates on the wall of Laszlo Polgar's private home in Budapest for an event that was no where reported in the chess media and is not mentioned in any book, publication or standard database of events can be considered for Susan's claim to have won the "Woman's World Championship" at these two events. Sam Sloan |
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