help bot wrote:
On Jul 28, 11:06 am, "Chess One" wrote:

This is obviously the fake Brennan pretending to be a netwit, since surely
even he can't think I would be jealous of people with lesser ratings

Poseur 2450 nearly-an-IM proclaims superiority
of chess rating, possibly offending sole supporter
Rob Mitchell alter-identity in the process.

Poseur is the best description of Innes I've come across.

who presumably didn't do so much?

Adds question mark to end of presumptions. Very
odd.


The real Brennan is much nutter,

Probably meant to write nuttier, as in "a Snickers
bar is nuttier than a Milky Way". The same problem
with spelling of simple words appears in the alter
identities, such as RM.

Without accepting that Mitchell and the Nearly an IM 2450 are one and
the same, I agree they are both English-challenged.

and on the
record [!] convinced himself I was the auto-responder, Zed.

Ridiculous! Zed may be unintelligent, but his
program is severely limited in scope. IM Innes
is the superior A.I., buy a wide margin. The
sole area where Zed has an edge is in playing
chess (and who cares about that?).

Hmm, the Nearly an IM 2450 Innes believes I took part in those endless
Zed exchanges that his remora Mitchell spammed the group with a year
ago? More misinformation from the Innes/Mitchell 'fact' factory.

Probably. The Nearly an IM's obsession with the male posterior is well-
known.

Why don't you girls talk it over then share with the whole fish market. Is
it okay to mention girls? You never do, and, that's ok...a....y....

IM Innes wants to be known for his peculiar
attitude towards some posters who are believed
to be female. The last one I saw had him acting
*very uncomfortable* while insisting that he was
not merely sucking up because she was a woman.
(In truth, she seemed completely disinterested in
the nearly-an-IM poseur, so his queer behavior
was moot.)

Did he protest too much?

Why not just consider him insane and be done?

And be done, as in give up on him, write him
off as incurable, a basket case? You heartless
scumbag! You cold, icy, lowdown... say, you
wouldn't happen to be a lawyer, would you?
Or worse, a tax collector?

Yes, write him off as a nutter, and be done.

The real Brennan would have started yet another pledge drive, like the one
he has recently got going elsewhere - what's the net if you can't act like
McCarthy and have a little fun with black-lists?? And you gotta keep doing
it, since looked what happened to McCarthy the moment he stopped! Deadern a
fishwife.

McCarty this, McCarthy that. It's almost as
if nearly-an-insane Innes wants to exact revenge
for the Commies, never mind how many years
have passed since these events occurred.

His knowledge of the subject, like his knowledge of all subjects, has
been gleaned from the back cover of books he looks over on his shift
as server in the coffee bar of the Brattleboro Barnes and Noble.

"help bot" wrote in message
ups.com...

While Cpl. Sloan is now forgotten by the annals of history, they term
'Sloanism' survives, and they did make a famous song about the incident

The night they rode Dixie Sloan down
His ears were ringin'


Ah, this stuff makes me pine for the good old days.
Back before we were driven south of the border,
patiently biding our time and just waiting for the
right time to attack you damn Yankees. You do
realize that it's not over? Not until the fat man sings.

Jerry Hanken is msuical

This time there will be no mistakes. We will hit
you-all with everything we've got -- including
cavalry and cannons! I'll wager that just one of
ourn is worth any two of your men. And what's this--
ain't you-all got most of yourn a way over there in
Irabia someplace, fightin' fereigners? We'll likely
have you-all blue coats outnumbered.

Sounds like another Afghanistan or Vietnam. Peasant armies always beat the
big-army guys in tanks, it just takes awhile.

Someone wrote a novel a few years ago - one of these 'alternate futures'
books, and if the South just had another 100 guys near the top of little big
top... then the hill would have been taken, the battle won, the yankees
driven back, Washington overrun, and Yankees forced to eat grits fer
breakfast ferever.

To be on topic, there are probably good chess anecdotes to illustrate both
points above - if only I was bright enough to think of them at 7am...

But I know this is really not about that; it's really
about rubbing it in Mr. Sloan's face that he lost.

No its not - its the voice of We, The Peasants, confronting the bull-horn
mentality of a Politico, by a little allegory. I assume you know the
difference between an allegory and a crocodile?

You-all Yankees never were much for winning
graceful like. Got to rub it in when you get lucky,
doncha?

Not usually, Vermont Yankees don't even talk to the other ones much - New
Hampshire one's are too dumb to understand when they're being insulted.

Just can't help yerselves, can ya? Just
you wait -- we'll be back. You'll see.

You and whose army? I hear you Southerners are all Wussies now, with your
condos and your Audis, and your great big Malls.

I guess we Green Mountain Boys, could send our Woman's team...?

Corporal Clegg, the IV
5th Light Foot and Mouth.

-- Col. gray bot

On Jul 29, 12:05 am, The Historian
wrote:
help bot wrote:
On Jul 28, 11:06 am, "Chess One" wrote:

This is obviously the fake Brennan pretending to be a netwit, since surely
even he can't think I would be jealous of people with lesser ratings

Poseur 2450 nearly-an-IM proclaims superiority
of chess rating, possibly offending sole supporter
Rob Mitchell alter-identity in the process.

Poseur is the best description of Innes I've come across.

who presumably didn't do so much?

Adds question mark to end of presumptions. Very
odd.

The real Brennan is much nutter,

Probably meant to write nuttier, as in "a Snickers
bar is nuttier than a Milky Way". The same problem
with spelling of simple words appears in the alter
identities, such as RM.

Without accepting that Mitchell and the Nearly an IM 2450 are one and
the same, I agree they are both English-challenged.

and on the
record [!] convinced himself I was the auto-responder, Zed.

Ridiculous! Zed may be unintelligent, but his
program is severely limited in scope. IM Innes
is the superior A.I., buy a wide margin. The
sole area where Zed has an edge is in playing
chess (and who cares about that?).

Hmm, the Nearly an IM 2450 Innes believes I took part in those endless
Zed exchanges that his remora Mitchell spammed the group with a year
ago? More misinformation from the Innes/Mitchell 'fact' factory.

Probably. The Nearly an IM's obsession with the male posterior is well-
known.

Why don't you girls talk it over then share with the whole fish market. Is
it okay to mention girls? You never do, and, that's ok...a....y....

IM Innes wants to be known for his peculiar
attitude towards some posters who are believed
to be female. The last one I saw had him acting
*very uncomfortable* while insisting that he was
not merely sucking up because she was a woman.
(In truth, she seemed completely disinterested in
the nearly-an-IM poseur, so his queer behavior
was moot.)

Did he protest too much?

Why not just consider him insane and be done?

And be done, as in give up on him, write him
off as incurable, a basket case? You heartless
scumbag! You cold, icy, lowdown... say, you
wouldn't happen to be a lawyer, would you?
Or worse, a tax collector?

Yes, write him off as a nutter, and be done.

The real Brennan would have started yet another pledge drive, like the one
he has recently got going elsewhere - what's the net if you can't act like
McCarthy and have a little fun with black-lists?? And you gotta keep doing
it, since looked what happened to McCarthy the moment he stopped! Deadern a
fishwife.

McCarty this, McCarthy that. It's almost as
if nearly-an-insane Innes wants to exact revenge
for the Commies, never mind how many years
have passed since these events occurred.

His knowledge of the subject, like his knowledge of all subjects, has
been gleaned from the back cover of books he looks over on his shift
as server in the coffee bar of the Brattleboro Barnes and Noble.

If you want to mention me, do it directly. I will do the same to you
at

"Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

His knowledge of the subject, like his knowledge of all subjects, has
been gleaned from the back cover of books he looks over on his shift
as server in the coffee bar of the Brattleboro Barnes and Noble.

If you want to mention me, do it directly. I will do the same to you
at

Brennan is some numb brain who doesn't even know if there /is/ a B&N in
Brattleboro. He is that sorta American Hysterian

It is typical of a certain type of net-twit, which is to say that if he says
it, it is to believe himself, or suggest to others they believe it, as if
they would - there are no further 'thoughts'. It seems impossibly stupid,
but the evidence is that it really is! ))

He is a character which could only exist as a netwit, and apart from writing
the biographies of B players for PA correspondence chess, circ, 37 people,
has not added a wit of wisdom during his 5 years of appearances here. In
another newsgroup his contribution to the understand of the works of
Shakespeare has recently included banning discussion of the works of
Shakespeare - a little McCarthy-type 'action'.

His defence is that these areunworthy forums, yet he spares no degree of
attention to it - under his own name or as .... )))) ROFL!

But he is understandable! He just wants to be respected, and get a [better]
job for it in chess. What he doesn't understand is that reader's orientation
to chess is almost entirely to /playing/ it, and if you can't invoke the
hustle, as a writer, you might as well be called Taylor Winter.

You don't get no respect if you don't do that.

This hound-dog ain't goinna hunt! He is happy squeezing his fat carcass into
some oversized kennel, while stirring up the neighbourhood by barking loudly
causethe kind o hell can you raise between people, if you are not very
bright, and dunno how to be, at least reduces them to your level, so you
don't seem so dead.

Though to finish on a positive note; at least he is brave enough to post his
'comments' from the perspective of the last virgin on newsnet.

PI

"help bot" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 28, 11:06 am, "Chess One" wrote:

International Correspondence Grand Farmer, Phil Innes


Right now, I am playing a game at RedHot
where it feels like the guy may be using some
chess program. But get this: his rating is only
1600 or 1700, just like mine! I have to wonder
what goes on at the higher levels, where the
players are rated nearly double my rating.

In a recent tournament the 13xx player was doing better than the 18xx ones,
much better, and I couldn't find much against him in 25 moves, whereas I had
won positions against the others, mostly 1700-1900. Probably the 13xx was
Sargon or something. So he either stopped using the progam or it messed up
at #26.

I have also just joined a tournament where I am the lowest rated player by
200 points, and some of them are 3,000+
Its just boring playing computers, especially at cc, where it goes so l o o
o n g, but this is a fast-mover. While I can credit big rating advantages
from having time to assess play, 3,000? pfft! Those are DBs and
Chess-Engines.

But generally speaking, the majority of these
guys are hanging pieces, pawns, or as in one
game, an exchange for a pawn, and they are
clearly not getting any outside help.

That's right. Almost as soon as you can get into a tactical matrix of
engagement, and provoke a sequence requiring maybe 6 to 8 moves look-aheads,
people keel over.

Check
this game out:

1.e4 d5

2.ed Qxd5

3.Nc3 Qd6 (Um, are you planning to move anything
besides just your Queen, fella?)

Yes, if you are going to make unusual moves which require say, lots of queen
activity, you need to get something out of it, which will mean playing to
win a pawn or to give one up. Otherwise this is numb, since 3. ... Qd6 is
maybe tryable once, but surely every black player will have had to
anticipate the third move. I wonder what computers like here for 3... ? I
met its not Dd8, and why not make a ghost-pin form the a-file?

4.Nf3 g6 (No way is this in any book.)

5.Bc4 (Sets a cheap trap.) ...Bh6 (Yowie! Whatta plan.)

And White (That's me, stupid!) will undoubtedly go on
to win. Hey, this guy doesn't even have a checkers
program, let alone Fritz, MCO, or even a Reinfeld primer.


-- help bot

"The Historian" wrote in message
oups.com...

Hmm, the Nearly an IM 2450 Innes believes I took part in those endless
Zed exchanges that his remora Mitchell spammed the group with a year
ago? More misinformation from the Innes/Mitchell 'fact' factory.

Hmm, some paranoid has been [successfully] emulating 'old english is dead'
Brennan!

Actually, it would be worth putting them up here again for two reasons. We
could

(a) assess if the emulation was, say 100% ggg and

(b) Brennan's reporting of all subjects makes Sam Sloan's seem
Pulitzer-level.


[maybe he is trying to get into the book?]

PI

On Jul 29, 1:33 am, help bot wrote:

But generally speaking, the majority of these
guys are hanging pieces, pawns, or as in one
game, an exchange for a pawn, and they are
clearly not getting any outside help. Check
this game out:

1.e4 d5

2.ed Qxd5

3.Nc3 Qd6 (Um, are you planning to move anything
besides just your Queen, fella?)

Actually this is an established book line of the Scandinavian
Defense. The definite work on it is "Scandinavian Defense: The Dynamic
3...Qd6" by Michael Melts (2001 Russell Enterprises; see
http://uscfsales.com/item.asp?cID=15&PID=97)

"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 29, 1:33 am, help bot wrote:

But generally speaking, the majority of these
guys are hanging pieces, pawns, or as in one
game, an exchange for a pawn, and they are
clearly not getting any outside help. Check
this game out:

1.e4 d5

2.ed Qxd5

3.Nc3 Qd6 (Um, are you planning to move anything
besides just your Queen, fella?)

Actually this is an established book line of the Scandinavian
Defense. The definite work on it is "Scandinavian Defense: The Dynamic
3...Qd6" by Michael Melts (2001 Russell Enterprises; see
http://uscfsales.com/item.asp?cID=15&PID=97)

O! Russell Enterprises!

Personally I like the CCCP published title by R. B. Edwards, 1987 [Can.]
which is not on the possibly counter-intuitively named 'dynamic' 3....Qd6,
and spends 160 pages on 2... Nf6, the Modern var which Hans Jung recommends.

Basically, this is an opening that you don't need much preparation for as
black, even with Qd6!?, and is therefore good

I further note that I stole the book from the Reverend P. Gustafson!

Phil Innes

ps: one wacky line goes

1 e4 d5
2 ed Nf6
3. Bb5 Bd7
4 Bc4 b5
5. Bb3

which continued Dohner - Palme, 1957

5 .. Bf5
6 Qe2 a6
7 c4 c6
8 dc6 Nc6
9 cb5 Nd4
10 Qc4 Rc8
11 Qf7 kd7
12 Nf3 Rc1
13 Bd1 Nf3
14 gf3 Be6
0-1

although the white b can retreat to e2 which i note Bronstei liked to play a
line against ...

On Jul 30, 10:33 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 29, 1:33 am, help bot wrote:

But generally speaking, the majority of these
guys are hanging pieces, pawns, or as in one
game, an exchange for a pawn, and they are
clearly not getting any outside help. Check
this game out:

1.e4 d5

2.ed Qxd5

3.Nc3 Qd6 (Um, are you planning to move anything
besides just your Queen, fella?)

Actually this is an established book line of the Scandinavian
Defense. The definite work on it is "Scandinavian Defense: The Dynamic
3...Qd6" by Michael Melts (2001 Russell Enterprises; see
http://uscfsales.com/item.asp?cID=15&PID=97)

O! Russell Enterprises!

Personally I like the CCCP published title by R. B. Edwards, 1987 [Can.]
which is not on the possibly counter-intuitively named 'dynamic' 3....Qd6,
and spends 160 pages on 2... Nf6, the Modern var which Hans Jung recommends.

Basically, this is an opening that you don't need much preparation for as
black, even with Qd6!?, and is therefore good

I've generally found that 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 players get a bit
kerflummoxed when, after 3.c4 c6 4.d4 cxd5 5.Nc3 they find themselves
defending against a Panov-Botvinnik Attack in the Caro-Kann. With
2...Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 that transposition cannot occur. And with 2...Qxd5
one can reasonably expect 3.Nc3 to follow 99% of the time, whereas
with 2...Nf6 one must be prepared not only for 3.c4, but 3.Bb5+, 3.d4
or 3.Nf3. Therefore I would submit that playing 2...Nf6 requires no
less preparation than 2...Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6.
In any event, my point was not that 3...Qd6 is markedly better than
other lines of the Scandinavian, but that, contrary to help-bot's
insinuation, it is definitely an established line with a substantial
body of theory behind it.

I further note that I stole the book from the Reverend P. Gustafson!

Stealing from a man of God? Tut, tut, Phil.

On Jul 29, 7:57 am, "Chess One" wrote:

Someone wrote a novel a few years ago - one of these 'alternate futures'
books, and if the South just had another 100 guys near the top of little big
top... then the hill would have been taken, the battle won, the yankees
driven back, Washington overrun, and Yankees forced to eat grits fer
breakfast ferever.

To be on topic, there are probably good chess anecdotes to illustrate both
points above - if only I was bright enough to think of them at 7am...

Every "documentary" I have seen regarding the Civil
War had you damned Yanks blundering again and
again -- not unlike Rob Mitchell -- until finally, Robert
E. SloanLee ran out of... everything.


But I know this is really not about that; it's really
about rubbing it in Mr. Sloan's face that he lost.

No its not - its the voice of We, The Peasants, confronting the bull-horn
mentality of a Politico, by a little allegory. I assume you know the
difference between an allegory and a crocodile?

Of course I do. An allegatory has different eyes and nostrils;
it's hard to explain, but show me a picture and I can easily tell
which is which. K-men are smaller that either one. A crock's
snout is much narrower, and you can see their teeth better.

The word alligator is derived from the Andean phrase
"el lagarto", meaning the lizard. This is because many
Andeans weren't very bright, and could not tell them apart
until after they were torn apart by one of the el lagartos,
(when it no longer mattered how scientists classified
anything).


Just remember, with regard to Sam Sloan and the USCF:
he could one day return; if members were stupid enough
to elect him once, there is little reason to believe they
couldn't do it again. As President Bush might put it: "never
misunderestimate voters; they elected me, didn't they?"


-- help bot