On Nov 9, 12:17 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

That's not the real issue here. The real issue is another
fabricated claim, unsupported by facts, re-re-re-reconfirming
what we already knew: that LP is a bilious liar. One can
have no more faith in his rubbish than in a stewed prune
(unless one is a knotty-pated fool, of course).

Let me just interupt this vague rant a moment, and inquire what the subject
is?

Thou knotty-pated fool! The subject is fabrication:
how to carve chess boards from oaken slabs, how
to turn chunks of rosewood into Bishops, how to
invent lies, carve the horses' heads of ebony wood,
all the while stepping clear of those big piles of
fly-infested steaming mush.


I hope it isn't Soviet 'fixing' of top games, since at least 4 top
Russians are on the record to heavily side with Evans.

Let them ride forth! Bring with them their lances
and armor. We shall see who is the better man --
these Russian "top" inventions or myself, here in the
flesh! I spit on their flag; I emit excrement upon their
imaginary heads. I deny their very existence, oh
builder of shams, oh wielder of imagination!


Perhaps you had some other subject in mind?

Cite the scholars, if you dare. No can do? Then
grab thee thine shovel, and remove thy master's
cow-piles! Haste, for the flies are among us, and
they multiply like, um, flies.


For instance, if EW were to complain that LE got the date
wrong on some ancient game or tourney,

Then he would be a vast hypocrite, since as Ray Keene pointed out the
previous issue of Kingpin, 3 years in the making, was so full of errors of
all types it had to be withdrawn, corrected and reprinted. 3 years! How
ironic

How wrongeth makes right! Twain, the wrongs be,
making right that which clearly was wrong. No more
shall we suffer fools who do wrongs, for now add
another, and right makes it be! Math be inverted,
addition so bare, but now subtraction wins over,
the maiden so fair!


If you set up to be a pedant, better to have something to be pedantic about.

Annoying pedants? Methinks all men should
beat them.


And Kingston, Winter are not even has-beens

Like Merry Parr they then be; for who never was
so high-rated, so ever shall he be.
A man's worth may be measured, by ruler or stick;
but what is it they measure? his mind, or his ick?


and there is your motive for The World According to Carp.

What motive postulate thee for thine master's
delusions-- insanity? Pugnacity? Or mental
confusions?

For thine master, thou hast loyalty, affection, and
peculiar direction, but hast thou reason, or knowledge,
or /rational/ objection?


-- S. bot

On Oct 31, 6:14 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:22 pm, Rich Hutnik wrote:







On Oct 31, 1:19 pm, David Richerby
wrote:



Rich Hutnik wrote:



With all this lawsuit business and whatnot, I am curious how
Mr. Sloan can help improve the state of chess. Mr. Sloan, can you
speak up please?



Please take this to rec.games.chess.politics, where it belongs.



Dave.

Hmmmmmmmmm? DIE?
That would improve things around here anyway.

HAHAHA

Rob wrote:
On Oct 31, 6:14 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:22 pm, Rich Hutnik wrote:







On Oct 31, 1:19 pm, David Richerby
wrote:


Rich Hutnik wrote:


With all this lawsuit business and whatnot, I am curious how
Mr. Sloan can help improve the state of chess. Mr. Sloan, can you
speak up please?


Please take this to rec.games.chess.politics, where it belongs.


Dave.
Hmmmmmmmmm? DIE?
That would improve things around here anyway.

HAHAHA

"False face must hide what the false heart doth know." -- The Bard

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Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti

On Nov 9, 3:28 pm, Rob wrote:
On Oct 31, 6:14 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:





On Oct 31, 2:22 pm, Rich Hutnik wrote:

On Oct 31, 1:19 pm, David Richerby
wrote:

Rich Hutnik wrote:

With all this lawsuit business and whatnot, I am curious how
Mr. Sloan can help improve the state of chess. Mr. Sloan, can you
speak up please?

Please take this to rec.games.chess.politics, where it belongs.

Dave.

Hmmmmmmmmm? DIE?
That would improve things around here anyway.

HAHAHA

Rob, why have you put my name at the top of your post? I said none
of the things you quote there, and I particularly disagree with your
childishly malicious response to Mr. Hutnik.

On Nov 9, 3:06 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Nov 9, 3:28 pm, Rob wrote:





On Oct 31, 6:14 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:

On Oct 31, 2:22 pm, Rich Hutnik wrote:

On Oct 31, 1:19 pm, David Richerby
wrote:

Rich Hutnik wrote:

With all this lawsuit business and whatnot, I am curious how
Mr. Sloan can help improve the state of chess. Mr. Sloan, can you
speak up please?

Please take this to rec.games.chess.politics, where it belongs.

Dave.

Hmmmmmmmmm? DIE?
That would improve things around here anyway.

HAHAHA

Rob, why have you put my name at the top of your post? I said none
of the things you quote there, and I particularly disagree with your
childishly malicious response to Mr. Hutnik.- Hide quoted text -

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It was the first one in the thread. Nothing done deliberatly to
impugne you Taylor. SOrry if you though it was.

"help bot" wrote in message
oups.com...

In my opinion, the case for GM Bronstein has been
shortchanged by it having been adopted as a pet
cause by the likes of LP and LE; surely there must
have been some /rational/ approach to presenting the
case, but we may never see it, thanks to these
hacks.

Pardon me!

What a farce of an argument.

If you don't like American opinion
I can, and have done, offered Russian
ones which make any Evans statement seem quite mild in contrast.

I have no objection to having opinions. Just don't try
and pass them off as established facts, utilizing bogus
methods such as ad hominem, broiled red herring, etc.,
etc. We've all we can eat here!

"We"

Greg Kennedy who cannot admit his own name wants to contradict Taimanov and
Bronstein and Gulko, to name a couple and a half. I could go another 3.

And this is merely to answer in the rather narrow vein proposed by those
who
contest what Evans has said. To mention but a couple of factors, the
//experience// of engaging Russian chess at this level during the cold
war
is rather different than having 'opinions' about it by latter-day saints
and
GM Nunn!

Indeed. But that has no relevance here. If LE wanted
to argue than /in his opinion/ this could very well have
happened, he is perfectly welcome to do that.

Experience at high level play against Soveit era manipulations, "has no
relevance here" says Greg Kennedy, the arbiter of what is relevant. he does
not say what that is, in his opionion, if a no-name can actually own one.

How much more shall I read?

Larry Parr is correct to repeat here a little e-mail campaign to revoke
or
reverse Laurie on this subject.

Baked, broiled or fried herring? Fish contains omega-fatty
acids, you know. Just beware of mercury.

Is that far enough? Corn-fed has some problems with authority and
achievement. Any kind at all except his own. He is not currently percipient
to this fact, so talks fish instead.

That's enough. Whoever can write this preamble can conclude as 'we' wish.
shrug

Phil Innes


Though such campaigning is a 'shy subject' for Taylor Kingston is quite
beside the point of whether he is right or not. What is at point is
Kingston's resentment of Evans because he declined to give even more
space
to his protestations.

I see. So you are obsessed with the issue of TK
vs. LP, who wins, and in what round?

---------

I was objecting to the logical error wherein some
poor fool claimed that Larry Evans' chess ability was
chopped and grated by merely pointing out facts. In
reality, the playing strength of LE is irrelevant, since
the flaw in his article lay elsewhere. But for the
record, at the time LE published his article, he was
no longer in the same class as Dr. Nunn, so it also
falls flat from that approach, though that is really
irrelevant and immaterial.

--------


This is interpreted by Kingston as avoiding an unpleasant truth -
whereas,
and I have somewhere, the declined letter - any continuation of the
subject
in Chess Life cannot have seemed fruitful to Evans because Kingston never
improved upon or developed his first contested point.

TK should never have expected a "fair trial" treatment
in the pages of Chess Lies. That would have been an
anomaly, much like you or me winning the World Open.


I might add that it also sought to lionise the issue between two poles -
and
if extensive correspondance on those lines were to be developed,
published
and so on, it would be, IMO, insufficient to compass the issue.

As Larry Evans himself noted, there is little point in
participating in censored (or otherwise manipulated)
mediums such as the USCF forum -- or here, Chess
Lies magazine.

Every editor or column writer will skew things his
own way, so the best advice is like that for dealing
with lobes-be-three weeds: leave it be.


-- help bot

On Nov 9, 5:29 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

Baked, broiled or fried herring? Fish contains omega-fatty
acids, you know. Just beware of mercury.

Is that far enough? Corn-fed has some problems with authority and
achievement.


Much lesser men than thee, hath achieved twice as much,
as all men can see. Thou ad hominist, thou slothful flea!
What hath thine self achieved, but piddle--dee-dee?

Fiddle faddle, fuddle dee dum, Larry Parr hath as
much twaddle, as thine own self, thou bum! Forsooth,
thou canst claim for thine self the ratings and titles
of old GM Evans, thine elf! Nor the titles or robes of
great players, you see, for thou and thine master,
have none, for to thee.

When thou and thy master can claim rightfully so,
then thee may complain, thither and fro. Until then
remain silent, and mend thee thy ways, or I shall
make much regretful, thy nights and thy days!

Thou bloated pork rind, thou nit-witted pea! If thou
hadst but a brain, or the thoughts of a flea, thy mind
would swing open, thy mouth silent be.

Go clean up thy stables, thy master commands!
Get thee thy shovel, or just use thy hands. His lies
they are many, his truths be they few, his time in
confession be long it is true. But clean up his stables,
his piles and his poo, else be demoted still further,
how low I don't knew.


-- S. bot

help bot wrote:
On Nov 9, 5:29 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

Baked, broiled or fried herring? Fish contains omega-fatty
acids, you know. Just beware of mercury.
Is that far enough? Corn-fed has some problems with authority and
achievement.


Much lesser men than thee, hath achieved twice as much,
as all men can see. Thou ad hominist, thou slothful flea!
What hath thine self achieved, but piddle--dee-dee?

Fiddle faddle, fuddle dee dum, Larry Parr hath as
much twaddle, as thine own self, thou bum! Forsooth,
thou canst claim for thine self the ratings and titles
of old GM Evans, thine elf! Nor the titles or robes of
great players, you see, for thou and thine master,
have none, for to thee.

When thou and thy master can claim rightfully so,
then thee may complain, thither and fro. Until then
remain silent, and mend thee thy ways, or I shall
make much regretful, thy nights and thy days!

Thou bloated pork rind, thou nit-witted pea! If thou
hadst but a brain, or the thoughts of a flea, thy mind
would swing open, thy mouth silent be.

Go clean up thy stables, thy master commands!
Get thee thy shovel, or just use thy hands. His lies
they are many, his truths be they few, his time in
confession be long it is true. But clean up his stables,
his piles and his poo, else be demoted still further,
how low I don't knew.


-- S. bot


Bravo!! Now you are rocking... :^)
--


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti