On Nov 2, 10:46 pm, help bot wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:45 pm, " wrote:

FIDE, a 163-nation world chess body, has awarded its next 128-player
world championship to Libya in 2004. Jews are excluded.

This decision violates the spirit and charter of FIDE which says no
event will be held anywhere that bars entry to eligible players. The
announcement came with pictures of FIDE president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov
playing chess with Moammar Al Qaddafi, who is offering about $2
million in prizes.

Money is the trump card, as usual. If the USA were not so
despised the world over, this would be something of an insult
in that "we" could not raise even more than "them". Of course,
they will not hold the event in the same country, over and over.

Qaddafi's son, who heads the organizing committee, stated: "We did not
invite nor will we invite the Zionist enemy to the competition."

Not all Jews are "Zionists". The choice of an Arab country
as venue brings to the fore such issues as this, and it is
most unfortunate that "we", the United States, are not in
a good position to step in and provide a solution.

Oddly enough, I believe if the situation had been reversed --
with Israelis playing and Arabs excluded -- the effect would
have been much smaller, and this only highlights the poor
judgment of going for Arab money over other considerations.

Boris Gulko, former champion of both the USSR and USA, is boycotting
the event along with most top players

Some of the top players were not involved in the cycle
at this particular stage, being seeded in later on. That,
along with quick time controls and the Israeli boycott,
made this event seem rather lame.

It's not the first time FIDE has bowed to Arab money. In 1986 the
Chess Olympiad was held in the United Arab Emirates where an Israeli
team was banned.

And where do these Arabs get all of that money?
A: from "us", the United States. We buy their oil, turn
it into gasoline or plastics, and consume it wantonly.

I note that Larry Parr attached an earlier post of mine to this
one, apparently believing that changing the subject would be
a good idea, rather than trying to defend GM Evans' choice of
examples. I agree. This was a much better example of FIDE
victimizing Jews; however, the motive appears to be money,
not anti-Jew bias. If say, Israel, were to offer to put up prize
money of ten million dollars for a future Olympiad, I expect
FIDE would leap on it and scr*w over the Arabs just as fast.
/That's just the way they are./

Arabs have lots of money on account of geography and our
addiction to oil, and they are spending it in the strangest of
ways. In the middle of a patch of desert there appears --
almost overnight -- a skyscraper, an underwater hotel, an
enclosed ski resort, etc. They have the money; they can
get whatever they want (why they would want chess
escapes me).

-- help bot

Every now and again, the Arabs will try to buy a human
being into human slavery, and bring them back home
You have to really be careful, when FIDE Delegates
start buying and selling slaves. It puts me at
a real disadvantage trying to claim as a white
man to a black govenrment (with a white defense
minster) that I have a problem with human slavery.

We don't buy slaves on St Kitts and Nevis.

Marcus Roberts

On Nov 2, 10:03 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:46 pm, help bot wrote:



On Nov 2, 4:45 pm, " wrote:

FIDE, a 163-nation world chess body, has awarded its next 128-player
world championship to Libya in 2004. Jews are excluded.

This decision violates the spirit and charter of FIDE which says no
event will be held anywhere that bars entry to eligible players. The
announcement came with pictures of FIDE president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov
playing chess with Moammar Al Qaddafi, who is offering about $2
million in prizes.

Money is the trump card, as usual. If the USA were not so
despised the world over, this would be something of an insult
in that "we" could not raise even more than "them". Of course,
they will not hold the event in the same country, over and over.

Qaddafi's son, who heads the organizing committee, stated: "We did not
invite nor will we invite the Zionist enemy to the competition."

Not all Jews are "Zionists". The choice of an Arab country
as venue brings to the fore such issues as this, and it is
most unfortunate that "we", the United States, are not in
a good position to step in and provide a solution.

Oddly enough, I believe if the situation had been reversed --
with Israelis playing and Arabs excluded -- the effect would
have been much smaller, and this only highlights the poor
judgment of going for Arab money over other considerations.

Boris Gulko, former champion of both the USSR and USA, is boycotting
the event along with most top players

Some of the top players were not involved in the cycle
at this particular stage, being seeded in later on. That,
along with quick time controls and the Israeli boycott,
made this event seem rather lame.

It's not the first time FIDE has bowed to Arab money. In 1986 the
Chess Olympiad was held in the United Arab Emirates where an Israeli
team was banned.

And where do these Arabs get all of that money?
A: from "us", the United States. We buy their oil, turn
it into gasoline or plastics, and consume it wantonly.

I note that Larry Parr attached an earlier post of mine to this
one, apparently believing that changing the subject would be
a good idea, rather than trying to defend GM Evans' choice of
examples. I agree. This was a much better example of FIDE
victimizing Jews; however, the motive appears to be money,
not anti-Jew bias. If say, Israel, were to offer to put up prize
money of ten million dollars for a future Olympiad, I expect
FIDE would leap on it and scr*w over the Arabs just as fast.
/That's just the way they are./

Arabs have lots of money on account of geography and our
addiction to oil, and they are spending it in the strangest of
ways. In the middle of a patch of desert there appears --
almost overnight -- a skyscraper, an underwater hotel, an
enclosed ski resort, etc. They have the money; they can
get whatever they want (why they would want chess
escapes me).

-- help bot

Every now and again, the Arabs will try to buy a human
being into human slavery, and bring them back home
You have to really be careful, when FIDE Delegates
start buying and selling slaves. It puts me at
a real disadvantage trying to claim as a white
man to a black govenrment (with a white defense
minster) that I have a problem with human slavery.

We don't buy slaves on St Kitts and Nevis.

Marcus Roberts

Drug testing, computer engines, human trafficking, Blue Tooth... What
more could threaten chess? How about this:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...21904.ece?a=12

Perhaps in the future we will have to do DNA testing at tournaments as
well to screen out the genetically engineered super players.

Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

On Nov 3, 12:03 am, wrote:

We don't buy slaves on St Kitts and Nevis.


But you sell them?

On Nov 3, 12:51 pm, "j.d.walker" wrote:

Drug testing, computer engines, human trafficking, Blue Tooth... What
more could threaten chess?

Massively Multi-player Online Role Playing Games?


How about this:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...le3121904.ece?...

Perhaps in the future we will have to do DNA testing at tournaments as
well to screen out the genetically engineered super players.

Nah. As the article noted, the supers are easily
detectable by the way they hop around the chess
tournament room like popping corn. Another way
is they tend to play /very rapidly/, and are always
announcing mate-in-fifteens -- even while observing
other people's games.

I say we let them play, but instead of mixing them
in with us patzers, force them to take on the chess
programs like Fritz and Rybka. (Told ya we'd be
back. It ain't over, 'till it's over.)


-- help bot

On Nov 1, 8:33 pm, " wrote:
THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans (page 82)
Just Testing

Two players had their scores erased at the 2004 World Team
Championship in Calvia because they refused to comply with a "random"
drug test demanded by FIDE. Yet many people wonder why there is any
need to enforce Olympic restrictions now that both the International
Olympic Committee (IOC) and the USA Olympic Committee (USOC) have
flatly rejected chess as a sport.

I believe there is still hope they are holding out it become an
Olympic event.

On August 20, 2001, Larry Parr and I wrote a position paper for the
FIDE Advisory Committee of the USCF. We argued that FIDE initiated
drug testing knowing full well that chess was a nonstarter in the
summer or winter Olympics for the simple reason that it's not an
athletic sport and we analyzed FIDE's real motives.

Just curious whether chess is a summer or a winter event. Can someone
tell me which would be a better fit? I personally believe chess,
bridge, Go and all the other table games that want to become actual
Olympic events lobby to eventually get their games to become a spring
or fall event in some year that isn't currently used (and give motor
sports and other misc. games the other season). The World Mind Sports
Games is a start in this direction.

Our main points still stand, though there are some anachronisms. Jim
Eade no longer is our zonal president and the new rules, though
shorter, refer all questions to WADA regulations which are even
tougher than those we cited. Therefore, the net result is that the
situation is even worse than what we concluded.

Can anyone tell me exactly what benefits people would get from using
drugs when playing chess? Is there some Balco brain booster around
anywhere?

- Rich

Rich Hutnik wrote:

Can anyone tell me exactly what benefits people would get from using
drugs when playing chess? Is there some Balco brain booster around
anywhere?


There are demonstrated benefits of certain cardio drugs, like
beta-blockers and caffeine. There hasn't been alot of research in this
space, but there has been more activity in high-level bridge.

On Nov 3, 11:46 pm, johnny_t wrote:
Rich Hutnik wrote:
Can anyone tell me exactly what benefits people would get from using
drugs when playing chess? Is there some Balco brain booster around
anywhere?

There are demonstrated benefits of certain cardio drugs, like
beta-blockers and caffeine. There hasn't been alot of research in this
space, but there has been more activity in high-level bridge.

I TAKE BETA BLOCKERS. I HAVE BEEN ON TERNORMIN for 20 YEARS.
HOW CAN I PLAY CHESS IN A DRUG TEST?

MArcus Roberts

On Nov 3, 1:32 pm, SBD wrote:
On Nov 3, 12:03 am, wrote:

We don't buy slaves on St Kitts and Nevis.

But you sell them?

No, we don't sell any slaves. However, I was asked to sell a few, but
I wouldn't sell any. We
do have places that we rememebr where the slaves were sold. All of
that slave selling has moved
to Chess City, Russia.

Marcus Roberts
Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE

wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:46 pm, johnny_t wrote:
Rich Hutnik wrote:
Can anyone tell me exactly what benefits people would get from using
drugs when playing chess? Is there some Balco brain booster around
anywhere?
There are demonstrated benefits of certain cardio drugs, like
beta-blockers and caffeine. There hasn't been alot of research in this
space, but there has been more activity in high-level bridge.

I TAKE BETA BLOCKERS. I HAVE BEEN ON TERNORMIN for 20 YEARS.
HOW CAN I PLAY CHESS IN A DRUG TEST?

MArcus Roberts


Wow, and to think you had been caught up on this debate.

You know certain asthma drugs can help you when you are swimming. Have
you noticed the handful of worldclass swimmers that are asthmatic?

Beta Blockers are used by people auditioning for prestigious openings at
high ranking artistic schools, surely some of them have high blood pressure.

There are studies that show improved memory and test taking abilities
with certain drugs. How many ELO points could a player improve if
properly drugged?

johnny_t wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:46 pm, johnny_t wrote:
Rich Hutnik wrote:
Can anyone tell me exactly what benefits people would get from using
drugs when playing chess? Is there some Balco brain booster around
anywhere?
There are demonstrated benefits of certain cardio drugs, like
beta-blockers and caffeine. There hasn't been alot of research in this
space, but there has been more activity in high-level bridge.

I TAKE BETA BLOCKERS. I HAVE BEEN ON TERNORMIN for 20 YEARS.
HOW CAN I PLAY CHESS IN A DRUG TEST?

MArcus Roberts


Wow, and to think you had been caught up on this debate.

You know certain asthma drugs can help you when you are swimming. Have
you noticed the handful of worldclass swimmers that are asthmatic?

Beta Blockers are used by people auditioning for prestigious openings at
high ranking artistic schools, surely some of them have high blood
pressure.

There are studies that show improved memory and test taking abilities
with certain drugs. How many ELO points could a player improve if
properly drugged?

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