On Nov 9, 5:47 am, David Richerby
wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote:
I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?

No

Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.

Dave.

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I thought Innes' ebay claim was another 'Virginia Woolf's grandchild';
remember when Innes stated he spoke with such a person? He never
explained how a woman who died childless had a grandchild.

"Rob" wrote in message
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On Nov 8, 10:17 pm, " wrote:
THE PRE-FITZ ERA

Inside each magazine were wonderful notes, in German/FIDE notation,
many of them written on old receipts of items bought and sold (the
perfect size for insertion in a magazine). In one set of magazines
from 1974, one receipt was dated 1957! The analysis is wonderfully
deep, the kind of thinking people used to do about chess before Fritz
became God. -- SBD

Rynd-Dowd finally posted a message that was
right-on in spirit and fact.

I was just leafing through Keres and Kotov's "The
Art of the Middle Game" and the examples from Keres of
his adjournment analysis were not only impressive in
chess terms but actually heartwarming.

And the emphasis on the endgame! Yes, even in a
work devoted, according to its title, to the Middle Game.

My only quibble with Rynd-Dowd would be that
even if Sarkozy's notes in Magyar Sakkelets had not
been deep and were, in truth, filled with errors, it
is the process and the approach here that counts. His
notes show love, albeit for a closed, inanimate system.

Yours, Larry Parr



SBD wrote:
On Nov 8, 10:02 am, "Chess One" wrote:

How sad it was to read a Canadian message about a chess archive given
to
USCF being sold on e-Bay!

I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?

Interestingly, and perhaps sadly, I acquired many Magyar Sakkelets
recently from a Canadian player named L Sarkosy, through another
seller. You can find him in Wikipedia, noted as the world's oldest
sportsman, playing chess at 100. I am suspecting he may have died or
had other reason to give up his collection, sad in either case.

Inside each magazine were wonderful notes, in German/FIDE notation,
many of them written on old receipts of items bought and sold (the
perfect size for insertion in a magazine). In one set of magazines
from 1974, one receipt was dated 1957! The analysis is wonderfully
deep, the kind of thinking people used to do about chess before Fritz
became God.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If a computer program were to be designed that could take the words of
Shakespeare and combine the elements of poetry,plays,short stories and
novels and write as he did we would have what Fritz and the computers
have given us now with chess. The games and products while technically
adequate,lack the passion and soul that comes only from human effort.
Computers lack the ability to inspire the human soul and are devoid of
inspiration.


I deeply resent your remarks. They sadden me.

Hal 9000


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On Nov 8, 10:17 pm, " , still
smarting from the request for a list of "most scholars", wrote:

Rynd-Dowd finally posted a message that was
right-on in spirit and fact.

Yes, I need affirmation from rgcp's most sophomoric poster.

My only quibble with Rynd-Dowd would be that
even if Sarkozy's notes in Magyar Sakkelets had not
been deep and were, in truth, filled with errors, it
is the process and the approach here that counts. His
notes show love, albeit for a closed, inanimate system.


I didn't say the analysis was good, but it that it was deep. Another
assumption jumped to by Larry "Bob Beamon" Parr.

On Nov 9, 4:47 am, David Richerby
wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote:
I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?

No

Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.

Dave.

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Oh my God. I feel like LB!
Here is the post that makes the claim from RGCM:

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0400
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: More journalistic "standards" from Alekhine's Parrot
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 at 04:40 -0700, Grant Perks scribbled:
-The Historian wrote:
- 1) What, if any, records did USCF have to lose?
-
-Financial records, contracts, tournament crosstables and rating
-reports, and Chess Life archives. The Chess Life archives, also
-know as "the morgue" contains 1,000's of photos collected over the
-years. There is also a small collection of chess books that would
-possibly fit on a couple of the shelves at the White Collection.

It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way.
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Censornati, Ohio - USA
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* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

"Rob" wrote in message
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Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.

Dave.

Well, thanks Rob.

But not all questions are requests for information - they are simply
attempts to eliminate the topic, and if Dave here chose not to agree with
what I wrote, in almost the same time he could have googled the subject,
same as you did.

It never was unsupported. It was referenced, not cited.

So! We return to the other contents of the rented wharehouse, Dave can now
ask me to substantiate a new comment; "that it is unindexed."

In other words, nobody knows what's in em.

Phil Innes
..

It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way.
--
----------------------------------------------
david moeser -- erasmus39@yahoo . com
Censornati, Ohio - USA
----------------------------------------------
* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

"Rob" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 at 04:40 -0700, Grant Perks scribbled:
-The Historian wrote:
- 1) What, if any, records did USCF have to lose?
-
-Financial records, contracts, tournament crosstables and rating
-reports, and Chess Life archives. The Chess Life archives, also
-know as "the morgue" contains 1,000's of photos collected over the
-years. There is also a small collection of chess books that would
-possibly fit on a couple of the shelves at the White Collection.

In fact, I remember also writing before that Sam Sloan might be paid to go
in there and index the records - of course, this is not now possible for a
litgant - but someone might.

By the same token, Neil Brennan has had access to the White Collection, and
compared with flying board members together to no great effect, it might be
a good use of funds to fly him to TN and have him index and evaluate, as
well as make any necessary preservations, whatever non-admistrative materiel
is in the boxes. He should be paid a reasonable wage for doing so, since its
responsible work, and as someone who doesn't like him at all at a
personality level, I would neverthless estimate he would be good at it,
perhaps better than any other here by virtue of his previous cataloging
experience.

Phil Innes


It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way.
--
----------------------------------------------
david moeser -- erasmus39@yahoo . com
Censornati, Ohio - USA
----------------------------------------------
* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

David Richerby wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote:
I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?
No

Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.


Dave.


He will, if you will stop cross-posting.

--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

"J.D. Walker" wrote in message
. ..
Rob wrote:


If a computer program were to be designed that could take the words of
Shakespeare and combine the elements of poetry,plays,short stories and
novels and write as he did we would have what Fritz and the computers
have given us now with chess. The games and products while technically
adequate,lack the passion and soul that comes only from human effort.
Computers lack the ability to inspire the human soul and are devoid of
inspiration.

Give the computers some time. They have a lot of potential. I am sure
they will have 3000+ rated souls bursting with inspiration soon enough.
:^)

3000 rather vicarious souls. They 'report' to us the work of GMs. Without
that, they are but 2200 souls? But nobody knows for sure because programmers
are terrified to turn the GMs [book] = off, and the proof is that in the
past 10 years, they haven't done so.

Phil Innes

--


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti

On Nov 9, 10:28 am, Rob wrote:
On Nov 9, 4:47 am, David Richerby
wrote:

Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote:
I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?

No

Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.

Dave.

--
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Oh my God. I feel like LB!
Here is the post that makes the claim from RGCM:

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0400
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: More journalistic "standards" from Alekhine's Parrot
In-Reply-To: .com
Message-ID: Pine.GSO.4.61.0608261552490.11796@furyy1
References:
.com
. com
.com
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 at 04:40 -0700, Grant Perks scribbled:-The Historian wrote:

- 1) What, if any, records did USCF have to lose?
-
-Financial records, contracts, tournament crosstables and rating
-reports, and Chess Life archives. The Chess Life archives, also
-know as "the morgue" contains 1,000's of photos collected over the
-years. There is also a small collection of chess books that would
-possibly fit on a couple of the shelves at the White Collection.

It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way.
--
----------------------------------------------
david moeser -- erasmus39@yahoo . com
Censornati, Ohio - USA
----------------------------------------------
* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

So in other words, Innes didn't know what he was talking about again.
Thanks, Rob!

"Hal" wrote in message
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I deeply resent your remarks. They sadden me.

Hal 9000

Right, go and stand near the hatch-door, Ro

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