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So in other words, Innes didn't know what he was talking about again.
Thanks, Rob!

Just to follow my previous post which recommended Brennan, here is the
offsetting point which would inhibit his employment.

Having mentioned a subject, which was found to be true - Brennan has somehow
come to an obscure and opposite conclusion.

Thereby, I stand by my previous recommendation that he become a cataloger. I
add the caveat that he should not be deployed in any sector which requires
logical thinking for items valued above 10 cents.

Phil Innes

Rob wrote:
Here is the post that makes the claim from RGCM:

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0400
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: More journalistic "standards" from Alekhine's Parrot
Message-ID: Pine.GSO.4.61.0608261552490.11796@furyy1

[...] In the early '80s [Rea B. Hayes] donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already
reporting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers,
apparently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I
heard, some of the collection may have found its way to a chess
museum in Washington, D.C. [...]
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No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.


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On Nov 9, 10:55 am, "Chess One" wrote:

Give the computers some time. They have a lot of potential. I am sure
they will have 3000+ rated souls bursting with inspiration soon enough.
:^)

3000 rather vicarious souls. They 'report' to us the work of GMs. Without
that, they are but 2200 souls? But nobody knows for sure because programmers
are terrified to turn the GMs [book] = off, and the proof is that in the
past 10 years, they haven't done so.

It so happens that none of my programs has any
openings book installed, so I have some experience
in dealing with strong programs, sans books.

Like Sanny's GetClub program, they are a tad
clueless insofar as opening strategy is concerned,
but against humans this means that both sides
will be thrust onto their own resources rather quickly,
and you know what happens next: a tactical
slug fest normally occurs, with the less-intelligent
species emerging battered and bruised. Sorry, I
meant of course that *humans* emerge battered
and bruised! (What was I thinking?)

In any case, as we saw with the pawn-odds match
between GM Benjamin and Rybka, even when the
strategic openings battle is clearly won by humans,
there remains the problem of conversion. I think it is
fair to say that /in that one match/, the lack of any
decent openings book led to a fiasco for the computer,
from which it nevertheless managed to escape -- and
win -- via superior middle game prowess. The ball is
now in the court of any really-strong GM to show that
a pawn is sufficient compensation for raw speed and
power. I expect very top players to save face, rather
than subject themselves to this embarrassment. It
takes a /real man/ to lose like a carrot -- something
I have excelled at virtually my whole life. :D


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On Nov 9, 11:25 am, David Richerby
wrote:

No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.


You obviously fail to grasp that IM Innes will claim
this proves him to have been right. The fact that
95% of it does not really match is, um, a minor
detail which can safely be ignored. Just getting
around 5% meets their high standards. LOL


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"David Richerby" wrote in message
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[...] In the early '80s [Rea B. Hayes] donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already
reporting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers,
apparently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I
heard, some of the collection may have found its way to a chess
museum in Washington, D.C. [...]
--
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david moeser -- erasmus39@yahoo . com
Censornati, Ohio - USA
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* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.

In terms of public CHEATING Dave should go hide his head for a week. Its
okay, I won't mention this when he comes back. But having doubted something
which he could research himself, he now edits the material which was pushed
up his nose, in order to rubbish someome.

Look!

"It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way."

So that long first sentence was eliminated, since of course, it contains the
'missing' Canadian reference.

Of course, he could have made a mistake?

Phil Innes



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On Nov 9, 9:56 am, The Historian wrote:
On Nov 9, 10:28 am, Rob wrote:





On Nov 9, 4:47 am, David Richerby
wrote:

Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote:
I believe you've made this statement a few times. I shop ebay
regularly, primarily for old chess books and magazines, and I never
noticed the supposed items for sale. Could you validate this claim in
some way?

No

Then kindly stop making the unsupported claim.

Dave.

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Oh my God. I feel like LB!
Here is the post that makes the claim from RGCM:

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0400
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: More journalistic "standards" from Alekhine's Parrot
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 at 04:40 -0700, Grant Perks scribbled:-The Historian wrote:

- 1) What, if any, records did USCF have to lose?
-
-Financial records, contracts, tournament crosstables and rating
-reports, and Chess Life archives. The Chess Life archives, also
-know as "the morgue" contains 1,000's of photos collected over the
-years. There is also a small collection of chess books that would
-possibly fit on a couple of the shelves at the White Collection.

It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this. In the early '80s he donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already re-
porting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers, appar-
ently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I heard,
some of the collection may have found its way to a chess museum in
Washington, D.C. I suppose that when Hayes made the donation to the
USCF, he probably imagined it would be a permanent resource at the
headquarters for USCF officials and members. I know he intended it
that way.
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Censornati, Ohio - USA
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So in other words, Innes didn't know what he was talking about again.
Thanks, Rob!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No. I was just answering Dave's request to site a source. By the way,
I think Phil had a good suggestion with having you catalog whats in
storage.

On Nov 9, 11:25 am, David Richerby
wrote:
Rob wrote:
Here is the post that makes the claim from RGCM:

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0400
From: Fred Lucite
Subject: More journalistic "standards" from Alekhine's Parrot
Message-ID: Pine.GSO.4.61.0608261552490.11796@furyy1

[...] In the early '80s [Rea B. Hayes] donated a thousand chess
books to the USCF for what for a short while was known as the "Hayes
Collection." A couple of decades ago the grapevine was already
reporting sightings of these books at East Coast book dealers,
apparently as a result of under-the-table transactions. The last I
heard, some of the collection may have found its way to a chess
museum in Washington, D.C. [...]
--
----------------------------------------------
david moeser -- erasmus39@yahoo . com
Censornati, Ohio - USA
----------------------------------------------
* "Always take notes!" -- Gerard of Cremona *

No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.

And, unlike an Ebay posting, which can usually be confirmed, this
American message mentions "the grapevine", AKA gossip.

On Nov 9, 11:06 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"The Historian" wrote in message

ps.com...

So in other words, Innes didn't know what he was talking about again.
Thanks, Rob!

Just to follow my previous post which recommended Brennan, here is the
offsetting point which would inhibit his employment.

Well, actually the "inhibition" would be my refusal to work for the
USCF. And to refuse a recommendation from a known net-loon.

Having mentioned a subject, which was found to be true - Brennan has somehow
come to an obscure and opposite conclusion.

Thereby, I stand by my previous recommendation that he become a cataloger. I
add the caveat that he should not be deployed in any sector which requires
logical thinking for items valued above 10 cents.

Phil Innes

Chess One wrote:
"David Richerby" wrote:
No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.

In terms of public CHEATING Dave should go hide his head for a
week. Its okay, I won't mention this when he comes back. But having
doubted something which he could research himself, he now edits the
material which was pushed up his nose, in order to rubbish someome.

Look!

"It's a good thing that Rea B. Hayes, the late chess expert and
veteran of 65-plus years as a chess organizer and official in half
a dozen different U.S. states and Canadian provinces, isn't still
around to hear this..."

So that long first sentence was eliminated, since of course, it
contains the 'missing' Canadian reference.

Oh, I'm sorry. When you said, `Canadian message', I naturally and
rather arrogantly, I must add, assumed that you wer speaking English.
You see, in the English langauge, a `Canadian message' is a message
from Canada or, perhaps, from a Canadian citizen. Obviously you're
using the well-known Andean idiom `Canadian message', meaning `a
message about some books that were once owned by somebody who at one
time organized chess tournaments in Canada.'

I'm waiting with baited breath for your explanation of how `e-Bay'
meant `book shops in New York and a museum in D.C.' all along.


Dave.

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The Historian wrote:
David Richerby wrote:
No, that can't be it. Innes was talking about ``a Canadian message
about a chess archive given to USCF being sold on e-Bay'' but this
seems to be an American message about some books showing up in book
shops in New York and a museum in D.C.

And, unlike an Ebay posting, which can usually be confirmed, this
American message mentions "the grapevine", AKA gossip.

I'm sorry. What I meant to say was, ``No, that can't be it. Innes
was talking about `a Canadian message about a chess archive given to
USCF being sold on e-Bay' but this seems to be an American message
about some books *allegedly* showing up in book shops in New York and
a museum in D.C.''


Dave.

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