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  #121  
Old November 16th 07, 01:19 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 15, 1:51 pm, SBD wrote:
On Nov 15, 11:05 am, " wrote:

LETTER FROM RICHARD LAURIE TO TAYLOR KINGSTON


This is the best Parr has? After all that posturing?

Very sad.


The mountains heaved, and all that came out was a tiny Laurie.
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Old November 16th 07, 01:23 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 15, 4:35 pm, help bot wrote:
I find it interesting that the, um, "standards" of the Evans
ratpack do not exclude posting personal information on
the internet, such as for instance, the home address of
one of the annoying critics of Larry Evans.


Innes harassed Frank Niro over far less.
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Old November 16th 07, 01:33 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 15, 9:15 pm, help bot wrote:
On Nov 15, 7:41 pm, wrote:

Rev, you have just received an rgcp "baptism of flaming," and come
out of it in good form. Long-time observers of our Phil know that he
has definite problems involving disagreement and anger-management, not
to mention other serious issues. Along with Parr and Sloan, he forms a
sort of Unholy Trinity here, though that's not quite the right way to
put it, since it gives the impression they are important. The Bard put
it better when he spoke of "sound and fury, signifying nothing."


Does that make Sloan the Unholy Goat? I'm sorry, the Devil made me do
it.


Among those three, Mr. Sloan is the only one with
any real accomplishments in chess: defender of
Damiano's Defense, proponent of the mighty Grob,
Mr. Sloan slays all comers who dare to challenge
him (including Bill Brock, among others). Only
Randy Bauer or perhaps Taylor Kingston can stop
him -- but alas, they are afraid to even try!

By comparison, even Neil Brennen or TK could
probably take on either of the other two without
breaking a sweat; only SS has real, not imaginary,
chess talent. This is probably why LP /always/
suggests that our grudge matches include him.

-- help bot


I disagree. Larry Parr was, in his prime, a better chess player than I
ever was. He may still be a better chess player. But Innes is pretty
much a fish.

Also, I wouldn't consider Parr as lacking "real accomplishments." I
own a couple of his books.
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Old November 16th 07, 01:34 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 15, 6:09 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote in message


Come, come! If you wish to engage me on any topic, please to name it.


Phil Innes


Of course if Mr. Innes does not like the topic you name he may respond
to you as he did to me:

"So **** off, unless you get off on this subject..."
--

Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.


Welcome to the club!
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Old November 16th 07, 02:14 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Chess One wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 6:09 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote in message
Come, come! If you wish to engage me on any topic, please to name it.
Phil Innes
Of course if Mr. Innes does not like the topic you name he may respond
to you as he did to me:

"So **** off, unless you get off on this subject..."
--

Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

Rev, you have just received an rgcp "baptism of flaming," and come
out of it in good form. Long-time observers of our Phil know that he
has definite problems involving disagreement and anger-management,


Here comes Darth Vaguer Kingston to encourage more rubbishing of people who
think continuing to exite the topic of porn-video fantasies on a chess
newsgroup are more than regretable by the 'Reverend' here.


Phil Innes


I see that Mr. Innes has chosen to compound his bad behavior with
misrepresentations of my posts in another thread. I have dealt with
that in the proper place.

I must say, Mr. Innes, that if this incident is typical of your
behavior in the past, I begin to understand how you acquired the
unsavory reputation that I frequently see referenced in this news group.
--


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti
  #126  
Old November 16th 07, 02:19 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 16, 9:14 am, "J.D. Walker" wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 6:09 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"SBD" wrote in message
Come, come! If you wish to engage me on any topic, please to name it.
Phil Innes
Of course if Mr. Innes does not like the topic you name he may respond
to you as he did to me:


"So **** off, unless you get off on this subject..."
--


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.
Rev, you have just received an rgcp "baptism of flaming," and come
out of it in good form. Long-time observers of our Phil know that he
has definite problems involving disagreement and anger-management,


Here comes Darth Vaguer Kingston to encourage more rubbishing of people who
think continuing to exite the topic of porn-video fantasies on a chess
newsgroup are more than regretable by the 'Reverend' here.


Phil Innes


I see that Mr. Innes has chosen to compound his bad behavior with
misrepresentations of my posts in another thread. I have dealt with
that in the proper place.

I must say, Mr. Innes, that if this incident is typical of your
behavior in the past, I begin to understand how you acquired the
unsavory reputation that I frequently see referenced in this news group.


Not just in this newsgroup. He's considered a chucklehead in the
Shakespeare group as well.
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Old November 16th 07, 02:54 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 16, 12:03 am, " wrote:
LAURIE'S '''CONFUSED MIND"

"All you have proven is that Mr. Laurie has definite deficiencies in
reading comprehension and factual reporting." -- Taylor Kinglston

I presented a civil letter from playwright Richard
Laurie written to NMnot Taylor Kingston. (There may
be more coming.) It was dated 2002 ...

Now, then, to the issue at hand. The letter is
probative, if not determinative, evidence that NMnot
Kingston denied knowledge of a dispute between GM
Larry Evans and Eddie Winter ...

For those who understand weighting of evidence
either in a courtroom or, for that matter, in writing
history, the Laurie claim carries more weight than the
Kingston denial. Readers must decide whom to
believe: an outsider and produced playwright, who at
the time was largely uninvolved in chess disputes and
who commands an understanding of nuance and the
English language; or our NMnot Kingston ...


Our Larry has a very strange idea of how a courtroom works. Larry
seems to think that if Person A claims that Person B shot Person C,
the court will decide B's guilt or innocence based on various abstract
qualities, such as A's "understanding of nuance." Perhaps this is how
it's done where our Larry lives, in Malaysia.

In America, however, we want proof. A court will require evidence
that (1) Person C actually was shot, and (2) Person B actually did it.
In this case, Parr doesn't even get past step 1.

It's relevant to point out that the public record shows I was quite
aware of the Evans-Winter feud well before 2002. Readers will find my
review of Winter's book "Kings, Commoners and Knaves he

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kck.txt

This book was published in 1999, and read and reviewed by me in
1999. In the review, we find such passages as these:

"Chief among Winter's currently active knaves are, not surprisingly,
Raymond Keene and Eric Schiller ... Others reprised from [Winter's
previous book "Chess Explorations"] for new offenses include *** LARRY
EVANS ***, Jonathan Speelman, Nathan Divinsky, Andy Soltis, Dimitrije
Bjelica ..." (emphasis added)

At one point in the review I quote a Winter assessment of LE's work:

"Larry Evans' column in Chess Life continues to be unspeakable."

So it would have been ridiculous of me to claim ignorance of the
Winter-Evans feud in 2002, when I was already on record as knowing of
it in 1999. The plain fact is that I never pretended ignorance of the
Winter-Evans feud in 2002, to Richard Laurie or anyone else. But of
course our Larry will never admit this.

Mr. Laurie's statement regarding whether our
NMnot impugned GM Evans' analytical ability was
couched in conditionals and spoke of what seemed to be
the case and what was implied.


Oh no, Larry, he spoke quite directly. In the March 2002 Chess Life,
page 14, Laurie wrote to Evans:

"I don't know who Taylor Kingston is and I don't recall much about
his Chess Life article [in May 1998] except he denigrated your ability
to analyze five Keres-Botvinnik games ..."

Please point out the "conditionals" in the above sentence, Larry.
In passing, I would also note Laurie's statement "I don't recall
much about his Chess Life article." Our Larry seems to think that
Laurie's memory is as reliable as a video-camera. By Laurie's own
admission, it is not.

I agree with Mr.
Laurie that the implication can be found in what NM
Kingston wrote, and the adjudication here will be made
by forum readers.


Our Larry is fond of finding these special "implications." If the
record provides no evidence for the smear he wants to make, he simply
decides the record means what he wants it to mean. Thus when I call
Evans' analysis "valid," our Larry decides that "vallid" actually
means "bad." On another occasion, our Larry decided that "doubt" can
mean "support." And of course when Parr's favorite Sam Sloan said
"Japanese girls want to be f---ed by a n--ger," this was not racism or
vulgarity; it only meant poor Sam was bored.

Parr-ese makes Newspeak look like the King's English, and his
notions of "evidence" would make a Vishinsky blush. There is not a
hole deep enough to encompass how low he really is.

  #128  
Old November 16th 07, 03:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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"J.D. Walker" wrote in message
. ..


I must say, Mr. Innes, that if this incident is typical of your behavior
in the past, I begin to understand how you acquired the unsavory
reputation that I frequently see referenced in this news group.
--


Seek and you shall find!

His Holiness on His Bench is seeking Perfect Ones, but if He keeps his nose
down there, with those who are all too ready to trash other people, then
these are rather fallible guides for His Season in Hell.

And 'cheers'? What a bloody non-stop misery you are man! Get your own life
and stop living in other people - it is a professional deformity. I did
mention the perils of the 'vicarious' professions, did I not?

If you must say aught, say on chess. For example, do you play at all? What
do you like about playing? What's your sign? & Do you have to b a Scorpio to
play the Sicilian right? Normal chess anecdotes.

As for jokes, self-deprecating ones get a rara avis star-prize around here.

Phil Innes

Allah is Merciful, the rest is commentary.


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti



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Old November 16th 07, 03:32 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Chess One wrote:
"J.D. Walker" wrote in message
. ..

I must say, Mr. Innes, that if this incident is typical of your behavior
in the past, I begin to understand how you acquired the unsavory
reputation that I frequently see referenced in this news group.
--


Seek and you shall find!

insults deleted

I see. It is not too late to reform your ways...
--


Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Old November 16th 07, 03:43 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics, rec.games.chess.misc
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On Nov 16, 10:32 am, "J.D. Walker" wrote:
Chess One wrote:
"J.D. Walker" wrote in message
...


I must say, Mr. Innes, that if this incident is typical of your behavior
in the past, I begin to understand how you acquired the unsavory
reputation that I frequently see referenced in this news group.
--


Seek and you shall find!


insults deleted

I see. It is not too late to reform your ways...
--

Cheers,
Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C.

'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.'
-- (Exodus 23:2)
'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society.'
-- Jiddu Krishnamurti


I agree, Reverend Walker. There is hope for Innes. I should know about
reformations, as I've lost 140 pounds over 18 months, solely through
lifestyle changes - AKA eating better and less, and exercising.
 




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