"The Historian" wrote in message
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Exactly. Explain it to the people who suggest moving into the mass TV
market to bring big bucks into chess.

I recall the BBC aired a series on chess, The Master Game, during the

In his chess biography of Tony Miles, Ray Keene explained the small tragedy
of the final, where Tony beat Anatoly Karpov - but the game was never shown
because of a strike.

Copies of Master Game are very rare - Gm Walter Browne has a set, but Auntie
sold the rights to another outfit, who then went out of business - so
whereabouts of original tape is unknown, as are copyright claims to program.

1970s. I've never seen it, but from descriptions of it, it sounds like
an ideal treatment of chess on television. A tournament among top
players was organized, the games were taped and the tapes edited to a
half-hour broadcast length, and the players asked to provide their
thoughts on the games. The BBC used some simple techniques involving a
glass chessboard and pieces that had their symbols on the bottom to
show the position on the board. IM William Hartson was a host of the
programs.

Yes, Bill Hartston was also somewhat responsible for the executive
production, getting chess onto mainstream tv in the first place, and so was,
I think, Bill Wade [OBE]

Phil Innes

Such an approach seems to keep chess as chess with minimal concessions
to mass audiences. The problem with tinkering with chess for broadcast
is that you don't create an audience for the game, you create an
audience for your tinkered version. So if you drag some rock band into
a chess match, as one failed experiment in chess broadcasting has
shown, your audience has come for the band, and not the game. To quote
one of the Muppets, "if you put enough sugar in [champagne] it tastes
just like ginger ale." Ginger ale outsells champagne; do we want our
chess with sugar?

This discussion reminds me of the hopefully-dead trend of attempting
to market classical music by tarting it up or dumbing it down. It was
a failure; there was no 'string quartet boom' because of Bond
concerts, and I doubt anyone became an opera fan from listening to
Charlotte Church or any of those other 'mockera' singers the big
labels pushed.

David Richerby wrote:

chocdonuts wrote:
Market share dumbkoff

That's `Dummkopf', Dummkopf.

Heh, a pedant - or something equally as derogatory. I thought so all
along..

help bot wrote:

On Nov 20, 10:02 pm, chocdonuts wrote:

Who told you this garbage you chocolate fart-muscle? You really trying
to posit that the 99% aren't interested (entertained) by the 1% who have
all this garbage you spiel on about - you envious little poofter?..

and do just fine. Now, of course, they are all low-volume,
high-value markets, while chess is relatively low volume and low
value. And that indicates why professional chess players aren't rich
unless they started rich.

It also indicates that you're a typical whining, snivelling & swingeing
new englunder who seriously needs to get your inbred envies & jealousies
well in line. Sadly, for a moron like you that doesn't look like any
time soon.. Try to deal with it & try to get of the sound o

Hey Skip. 'Bout time you came back, after all that
work on the Fake-Sloan job.

What are you talking about here gregbot? I'm nowhere near the geiger
register of abuse performed by repa.inc. This canook choc-bot who it's
clear you long & hunger for is engulfed in his _own_ stupid blog. The
boring abusive git won't be back here for muchas long time! but never
worry about this sort of stuff - bot. After all you have the corn to
contemplate the cawing of the sad crows to hear & the devouring of the
overflowing platter of chocolate dribbled donuts to consider - No?..


FATPIG GIT..

"help bot" wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 12:11 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

If Evans is 'arrogant' then so is Adorjan

Hmm... two GMs are *both* arrogant -- is this really
supposed to be a "defense" of greed?

they are 'arrogant', which is your term, about their ability to look at
something, by virtue of their chessic insight, and also because they know of
what in situ pressures there are, at the top, and especially playing big
hairy russians!

do you corn-fed know any of that? i mean, you offer us your opinions, even
your judgement of people, but not of any topical matter as such

you wrote a lot below, but in the same mood as above. as if you were
auditing everything by who says what, not what is said

phil innes

David Richerby wrote:

it's very entertaining. It would be foolish to base a `chess
economy' on anything other than its entertainment value.

Exactly. Explain it to the people who suggest moving into the mass
TV market to bring big bucks into chess.

I tried. They insinuated that I somehow wanted to hold chess back and
deny it its place in the sun.

Look here lebanese cucumber - it's November already, almost December
when the snow habitually falls in screes & droves in Moskaw & you have
the effrontery to harp on about the Sun & how you have influenced the
Muscovites in their choice of _great_ leader aka Putin, but Gazza is
there in the waiting. This time. Yeah! I like it. Garry Kasparov -
supreme leader of the ex-soviet. Yeah baby!..

Chess One wrote I think, Bill Wade [OBE]

Phil Innes

Really? clearly Mr. Wade wasn't game enough to throw his useless 'order'
in the faeces of the Queen's flunkies (ala the beatles). Now a (CBE) for
exam. smirk..

chocdonuts wrote:
David Richerby wrote:
chocdonuts wrote:
Market share dumbkoff
That's `Dummkopf', Dummkopf.

Heh, a pedant - or something equally as derogatory. I thought so all
along..

Zweisprachig Buchstabierflamme!

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Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

On Nov 21, 10:08 am, chocdonuts wrote:

Hey Skip. 'Bout time you came back, after all that
work on the Fake-Sloan job.

What are you talking about here grebot? I'm nowhere near the geiger
register of abuse performed by repa.inc. This canook choc-bot who it's
clear you long & hunger for is engulfed in his _own_ stupid blog. The
boring abusive git won't be back here for muchas long time! but never
worry about this sort of stuff - bot. After all you have the corn to
contemplate the cawing of the sad crows to hear & the devouring of the
overflowing platter of chocolate dribbled donuts to consider - No?..

I see... you don't want to discuss you work on the Fake
Sloan job, perhaps because of all the lawsuits, etc.
I understand.

So you think Skippy has a blog now, and hangs out there
writing about his many bullet-chess conquests? Too bad.
So long as the bar is held on the ground and creatures
like nearly-an-IMp Innes are posting here, there is a place
for low-life-scum, so he is of course welcome to come
back "home".

Taylor Kingston has asked for several posters to "weigh
in", and I note that you carefully avoided that issue, putting
the blame for the chocolate donut fiasco squarely on me;
thanks, pal. Look, the last time I was at a chess tourney
they had a whole cake sitting out -- free for the taking. I
never touched it... though I did look... and perhaps I
salivated, just a little. 'Twas John Petrison and Don
Urquhart who are to blame -- they are the cake-eaters
who ought to be "weighed in", not me!

Look, tell Skippy that he is immune from prosecution
on account of his, um, condition, so he need no longer
hide his Fake Sloan (or Fake whoever) activity. Mr. Sloan,
unsurprisingly, filed in the wrong state, the wrong country
or perhaps even the wrong planet anyway, so it will very
likely be thrown out on some technicality or other.

And remember, eat more broccoli and stay away from
those choco-donuts.


-- help bot

On Nov 21, 11:08 am, chocdonuts wrote:

Look here lebanese cucumber - it's November already, almost December
when the snow habitually falls in screes & droves in Moskaw & you have
the effrontery to harp on about the Sun & how you have influenced the
Muscovites in their choice of _great_ leader aka Putin, but Gazza is
there in the waiting. This time. Yeah! I like it. Garry Kasparov -
supreme leader of the ex-soviet. Yeah baby!..


I can see it now... GK's finger comes down, pressing
the red button and releasing the nukes... but wait! He
has changed his mind, and wants a takeback. Faster
than a speeding bullet, his finger recoils... but it is too
late... .

Gary Kasparov is a psycho freak, who cannot even
lead *himself* without going astray. His attempts at
leadership have already proved to be disasters... or
maybe that was your sinister plan? If you want to
destroy a man, teach him chess; but if you want to
destroy a country, give them Gary Kasparov!


-- help bot

help bot wrote:

I know 'skip repa' has his own blog, but anyway bot! 'crispy bacon' is
not on the agenda here where I'm living for some strange reason? Perhaps
it's the humidity factor. Just imagine the butter melting in the
white-bread sarnie (sandwich) The salty, crisp, bacon tang combination
permeating the whole affair..










And remember, eat more broccoli and stay away from
those choco-donuts.

-- help bot