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I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its:
Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. and exploring the labrynthine chessville archive, the Russians did this too... Champion For A Day: After the death of Alexander Alekhine in 1946, FIDE held a meeting to decide on how to choose the next World Champion. The FIDE delegates decided that since Max Euwe was the only ex-World Champion still alive, he would be the "World Champion" until FIDE organized a tournament to find the next champion. The Soviet delegates arrived at the meeting a day late. They had the decision annulled, and thus the world title was left vacant, till Botvinnik won the 1948 tournament. Thus Euwe was "technically" World Champion twice: 1935-37, and one day in 1946. Other chess titles: "World Champion Tournament Player": The Ostend 1907 featured players such as Tarrasch, Schlechter, Marshall, Burn and Chigorin. After winning the tournament, Tarrasch was crowned the "World Champion Tournament Player" by the tournament organizers. No-one took the title seriously, and it quickly disappeared into chess history. Topically: Was Keres the Best Never To Be World Champ? In the course of his long and distinguished career, Paul Keres defeated nine players who were at one stage in their careers world chess champion. The nine players we Alexander Alekhine; Jose Capablanca; Vassily Smyslov; Max Euwe; Tigran Petrosian; Mikhail Tal; Mikhail Botvinnik; Boris Spassky; Bobby Fischer. Most of these anecdotes are supplied by Aussie Graham Clayton. here is a final anecdote, and I am surprised that Washington beat NY! Lookit... National Chess League: In January 1976, the United States Chess Federation ran the inaugural "National Chess League". These were matches played on 6 boards, with the moves transmitted by telephone. The 9 teams who entered finished in the following order: 1. Washington Plumbers 2. New York Threats 3. Cleveland Headhunters 4. San Fransisco Dragons 5. Los Angeles Stauntons 6. Miami Capablancas 7. Chicago Prairie Dogs 8. Boston 64's 9. Houston Helpmates Many of the top US players of the era competed, including Larry Christiansen, Anthony Saidy, Arnold Denker, Robert Byrne, Andy Soltis, Pal Benko, Edmar Mednis, Arthur Bisguier and Lubomir Kavalek. Phil Innes |
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On Nov 25, 9:43 am, "Chess One" wrote:
I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. A highly debatable claim that gets made over and over without documentation. As Edward Winter wrote in Chess Notes #5144, 9.2007: "Books continue to claim, without substantiation, that the title of 'grandmaster' was first conferred by Tsar Nicholas II at St Petersburg, 1914. The matter was discussed on pages 315-316 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves and pages 177-178 of A Chess Omnibus, and we have still found no earlier occurrence of the story than in an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in The New Yorker, 15 June 1940. "To pose a broader question: do 1914 sources contain references to Tsar Nicholas II in connection with any aspect of the St Petersburg tournament?" On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Furthermore, as Winter points out on page 178 of "A Chess Omnibus" (2003), Ossip Bernstein wrote that "The title, Grandmaster, was introduced in the international tourney at Ostend in 1907, in which I shared first prize with Akiba Rubinstein." So until this "original grandmasters" story gets some better substantiation, it may be wiser to file it with the tales about Morphy's shoes and Alekhine smashing his furniture. |
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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ... On Nov 25, 9:43 am, "Chess One" wrote: I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. A highly debatable claim that gets made over and over without documentation. As Edward Winter wrote in Chess Notes #5144, 9.2007: "Books continue to claim, without substantiation, that the title of 'grandmaster' was first conferred by Tsar Nicholas II at St Petersburg, 1914. The matter was discussed on pages 315-316 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves and pages 177-178 of A Chess Omnibus, and we have still found no earlier occurrence of the story than in an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in The New Yorker, 15 June 1940. Not surprising, since any providence coming out of Russia would be very hard to obtain after 1912. In fact, before that time you could travel anywhere without a passport, documents introduced to restrict the 'red menace'. "To pose a broader question: do 1914 sources contain references to Tsar Nicholas II in connection with any aspect of the St Petersburg tournament?" You have to be rather careful with this line of historiography ~ otherwise you wind up colluding with those who hold that since there is no evidence of the same kind mentioned above for Shakespeare, the most well know author on the planet, ever, did not write Shakespeare. On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Leaving Petersburg without a substitue regent who had no instructions in respect of the world's attention being focussed on chess in his capital city? That would be rather strange. Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Furthermore, as Winter points out on page 178 of "A Chess Omnibus" (2003), Ossip Bernstein wrote that "The title, Grandmaster, was introduced in the international tourney at Ostend in 1907, in which I shared first prize with Akiba Rubinstein." I think Mr. Winter might attend all the claimants to the issue, and if Bernstein has some evidential material which annoints champions by the modern title in 1907, then he gets another prize in being right - and I presume that someone awarded the title, and that it was not in English; to wit, introduced by whom? So until this "original grandmasters" story gets some better substantiation, it may be wiser to file it with the tales about Morphy's shoes and Alekhine smashing his furniture. Those do not seem to be of parallel circumstance. Phil Innes |
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On Nov 25, 2:20 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ... On Nov 25, 9:43 am, "Chess One" wrote: I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. A highly debatable claim that gets made over and over without documentation. As Edward Winter wrote in Chess Notes #5144, 9.2007: "Books continue to claim, without substantiation, that the title of 'grandmaster' was first conferred by Tsar Nicholas II at St Petersburg, 1914. The matter was discussed on pages 315-316 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves and pages 177-178 of A Chess Omnibus, and we have still found no earlier occurrence of the story than in an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in The New Yorker, 15 June 1940. Not surprising, since any providence coming out of Russia would be very hard to obtain after 1912. In fact, before that time you could travel anywhere without a passport, documents introduced to restrict the 'red menace'. "To pose a broader question: do 1914 sources contain references to Tsar Nicholas II in connection with any aspect of the St Petersburg tournament?" You have to be rather careful with this line of historiography ~ otherwise you wind up colluding with those who hold that since there is no evidence of the same kind mentioned above for Shakespeare, the most well know author on the planet, ever, did not write Shakespeare. On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Leaving Petersburg without a substitue regent who had no instructions in respect of the world's attention being focussed on chess in his capital city? That would be rather strange. Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Furthermore, as Winter points out on page 178 of "A Chess Omnibus" (2003), Ossip Bernstein wrote that "The title, Grandmaster, was introduced in the international tourney at Ostend in 1907, in which I shared first prize with Akiba Rubinstein." I think Mr. Winter might attend all the claimants to the issue, and if Bernstein has some evidential material which annoints champions by the modern title in 1907, then he gets another prize in being right - and I presume that someone awarded the title, and that it was not in English; to wit, introduced by whom? So until this "original grandmasters" story gets some better substantiation, it may be wiser to file it with the tales about Morphy's shoes and Alekhine smashing his furniture. Those do not seem to be of parallel circumstance. The point is, Phil, that to be properly substantiated, the story about Petersburg 1914 needs credible sources and references. You have supplied none (no surprise there). Mere airy, casual, offhand dismissal of reasonable and relevant objections is not substantiation. |
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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ... On Nov 25, 2:20 pm, "Chess One" wrote: "Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ... On Nov 25, 9:43 am, "Chess One" wrote: I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. A highly debatable claim that gets made over and over without documentation. As Edward Winter wrote in Chess Notes #5144, 9.2007: "Books continue to claim, without substantiation, that the title of 'grandmaster' was first conferred by Tsar Nicholas II at St Petersburg, 1914. The matter was discussed on pages 315-316 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves and pages 177-178 of A Chess Omnibus, and we have still found no earlier occurrence of the story than in an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in The New Yorker, 15 June 1940. Not surprising, since any providence coming out of Russia would be very hard to obtain after 1912. In fact, before that time you could travel anywhere without a passport, documents introduced to restrict the 'red menace'. "To pose a broader question: do 1914 sources contain references to Tsar Nicholas II in connection with any aspect of the St Petersburg tournament?" You have to be rather careful with this line of historiography ~ otherwise you wind up colluding with those who hold that since there is no evidence of the same kind mentioned above for Shakespeare, the most well know author on the planet, ever, did not write Shakespeare. On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Leaving Petersburg without a substitue regent who had no instructions in respect of the world's attention being focussed on chess in his capital city? That would be rather strange. Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Furthermore, as Winter points out on page 178 of "A Chess Omnibus" (2003), Ossip Bernstein wrote that "The title, Grandmaster, was introduced in the international tourney at Ostend in 1907, in which I shared first prize with Akiba Rubinstein." I think Mr. Winter might attend all the claimants to the issue, and if Bernstein has some evidential material which annoints champions by the modern title in 1907, then he gets another prize in being right - and I presume that someone awarded the title, and that it was not in English; to wit, introduced by whom? So until this "original grandmasters" story gets some better substantiation, it may be wiser to file it with the tales about Morphy's shoes and Alekhine smashing his furniture. Those do not seem to be of parallel circumstance. The point is, Phil, that to be properly substantiated, the story about Petersburg 1914 needs credible sources and references. You have supplied none (no surprise there). Mere airy, casual, offhand dismissal of reasonable and relevant objections is not substantiation. You mean I provide no context? I think I did, even over Blair's frankly daft recommendation to Winter as if present or not, the Czar would have not known of such an event - at a game the Russians consider their own - but a Winter who I must assume by this logic agrees with you that Shakespeare did not write 'Shakespeare' since there is not a scintilla of written proof of that either. Do you understand the logical issue? Now - just because /you/ chose to introduce assertions by Winter to the issue, don't get smarmy and start calling people all sorts of ****, as usual, since you merely reinforce what everyone says of you, and him. You begin with 'highly debatable', as if you actually mean to debate something, or have an open mind, or other strong perspective, but you end in ruinous comments about others, as usual. And as usual, short of citing Winter, you yourself offer nothing to any point. It /is/ debatable. Many things are debatable. What you are conducting here is not a debate - it is merely a string of assertions which ignores all else but your own perspective. Sometimes none of the above are true. And maybe someone slung around the title in 1905, or 1899? It may true that the first written record is of note, and it may be the same title we now use. I don't know the answer, and because there are other assertions, or doubts, then I propose, that is the basis for any 'debate'. But one does not debate a bull-horn. Phil Innes |
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On Nov 25, 2:20 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ... On Nov 25, 9:43 am, "Chess One" wrote: I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. A highly debatable claim that gets made over and over without documentation. As Edward Winter wrote in Chess Notes #5144, 9.2007: "Books continue to claim, without substantiation, that the title of 'grandmaster' was first conferred by Tsar Nicholas II at St Petersburg, 1914. The matter was discussed on pages 315-316 of Kings, Commoners and Knaves and pages 177-178 of A Chess Omnibus, and we have still found no earlier occurrence of the story than in an article by Robert Lewis Taylor in The New Yorker, 15 June 1940. Not surprising, since any providence coming out of Russia would be very hard to obtain after 1912. In fact, before that time you could travel anywhere without a passport, documents introduced to restrict the 'red menace'. "To pose a broader question: do 1914 sources contain references to Tsar Nicholas II in connection with any aspect of the St Petersburg tournament?" You have to be rather careful with this line of historiography ~ otherwise you wind up colluding with those who hold that since there is no evidence of the same kind mentioned above for Shakespeare, the most well know author on the planet, ever, did not write Shakespeare. On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Leaving Petersburg without a substitue regent who had no instructions in respect of the world's attention being focussed on chess in his capital city? That would be rather strange. Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Furthermore, as Winter points out on page 178 of "A Chess Omnibus" (2003), Ossip Bernstein wrote that "The title, Grandmaster, was introduced in the international tourney at Ostend in 1907, in which I shared first prize with Akiba Rubinstein." I think Mr. Winter might attend all the claimants to the issue, and if Bernstein has some evidential material which annoints champions by the modern title in 1907, then he gets another prize in being right - and I presume that someone awarded the title, and that it was not in English; to wit, introduced by whom? So until this "original grandmasters" story gets some better substantiation, it may be wiser to file it with the tales about Morphy's shoes and Alekhine smashing his furniture. Those do not seem to be of parallel circumstance. Phil Innes A little more on the subject from "The Oxford Companion to Chess" (2nd edition, 1992): "A correspondent writing to Bell's Life, 18 Feb. 1838, refers to Lewis as 'our past grandmaster,' probably the first use of this term in connection with chess. Subsequently Walker and others referred to Philidor as a grandmaster ... The word gained wider currency in the early 20th century when tournaments were sometimes designated grandmaster events, e.g Ostend 1907, San Sebastián 1912." The OC does not mention Petersburg 1914; apparently the authors considered the Tsar Nicholas story lacking adequate documentation. |
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Not sure why it is thought to be be necessary to have the Czar do this in person, particularly as it would not involve an official Russian title. If it was done at all -- which I very much doubt -- it seems more likely that a representative of the Czar would have done it, and so the actual whereabouts of the Czar would be irrelevant. One of the reasons for this would be to distance the Czar from a non-official title, and so avoid lowering the value of the really important titles. (Remember the upset when the Beatles received their MBE's: some MBE's returned theirs in protest. This is one of the reasons I don't believe the Czar would have done anything of the sort: it would be not be to the interest of the Russian Crown to 'dilute' any already existing official titles.) A possible scenario where it just might have happened strikes me: chess clubs did sometimes have royalty as honorary presidents. Was the Czar a protector of the St. Petersburg chess club? If so, he could perhaps have signed a chess club note on grandmaster status for the tournament participants, but he would not have done it as Czar, but as a honorary chess club official. (I regard this this as rather unlikely, in case anyone wonders.) But there are mechanisms that allow absent and even dead monarchs to confer titles. The carte blanche is one such: the monarch signs an order that raises name left blank to the peerage as of date left blank also (or gives a lifelong pension, or a mansion, or ..., well, fill in the blank space), and gives it to a trusted person, such as a chancellor of state. At some later time, when it is politically necessary, but the king himself is indisposed, dead, or perhaps vacationing in the Crimea, the appropriate name and date is entered, and the document is handed over. Such a document not be different from a document the king had signed after the the name and benefit had been written, and it would have legal force -- except perhaps after a revolution or similar dynastic upsets. Anyway ... I don't really believe the whereabouts of the Czar is relevant to the fundamental question. -- Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/ |
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On Nov 25, 3:25 pm, Anders Thulin
wrote: Taylor Kingston wrote: On page 315 of "Kings, Commoners and Knaves" Winter gives a quote, supplied by Louis Blair, of what I presume is a biography, "Tsar Nicholas II" by Dominic Lieven (1993): "The imperial family spent April and May 1914 in the Crimea ... the monarch was hundreds of miles from his capital." Since the St. Petersburg tournament was held 21 April - 22 May 1914, this would mean that the Tsar could not have been there to confer any titles. Not sure why it is thought to be be necessary to have the Czar do this in person, particularly as it would not involve an official Russian title. If it was done at all -- which I very much doubt -- it seems more likely that a representative of the Czar would have done it, and so the actual whereabouts of the Czar would be irrelevant. One of the reasons for this would be to distance the Czar from a non-official title, and so avoid lowering the value of the really important titles. (Remember the upset when the Beatles received their MBE's: some MBE's returned theirs in protest. This is one of the reasons I don't believe the Czar would have done anything of the sort: it would be not be to the interest of the Russian Crown to 'dilute' any already existing official titles.) A possible scenario where it just might have happened strikes me: chess clubs did sometimes have royalty as honorary presidents. Was the Czar a protector of the St. Petersburg chess club? If so, he could perhaps have signed a chess club note on grandmaster status for the tournament participants, but he would not have done it as Czar, but as a honorary chess club official. (I regard this this as rather unlikely, in case anyone wonders.) But there are mechanisms that allow absent and even dead monarchs to confer titles. The carte blanche is one such: the monarch signs an order that raises name left blank to the peerage as of date left blank also (or gives a lifelong pension, or a mansion, or ..., well, fill in the blank space), and gives it to a trusted person, such as a chancellor of state. At some later time, when it is politically necessary, but the king himself is indisposed, dead, or perhaps vacationing in the Crimea, the appropriate name and date is entered, and the document is handed over. Such a document not be different from a document the king had signed after the the name and benefit had been written, and it would have legal force -- except perhaps after a revolution or similar dynastic upsets. Anyway ... I don't really believe the whereabouts of the Czar is relevant to the fundamental question. Anders, I certainly agree that the Tsar could have delegated this duty. My question is, was it actually done at all, whether by the Tsar in person or by his order? Supposedly the source for this story is Marshall's 1942 memoir "My Fifty Years of Chess." Anyone have that book? How does it describe the titles being bestowed: by the Tsar in person or in absentia? If in person in St. Pete, that would be hard to reconcile with the Tsar being in the Crimea. It seems very odd to me that of the five supposed recipients, only Marshall is known to have mentioned it in any of his writings. One would think that Lasker, Capablanca, Tarrasch, or especially Alekhine would have taken some pride in it and given it some prominence in his writings. Interestingly, in a 1922 interview Alekhine *_does_* mention getting a grandmaster title, from the Tsar, but it was for co-winning (with Nimzovitch) the All-Russian National Championship in January 1914, *_not_* for the international tournament of April-May 1914. |
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I tried to look up references to grand masters in regard to the St
Petersburg tournament, and couldn't find any. It was not uncommon to call the major tournament a grand master's tournament, and to refer to players as grand masters, but there seems to be nothing special that I can find on St Petersburg. I also could not find more than the usual passing reference to the czar in reports on the tournament. This is not proof of anything, but I feel fairly certain that whatever was said about gradmasters (perhaps in a speech at a banquet) did not make any impression in reports of the time. On the other hand, I think I can trace grandmaster back further than 1838. It is somewhat surprising to me that we are quite as ignorant of the French literature which appeared in chess journals as we seem to be. For example, London 1851 (or sometimes Simpsons 1849) are referred to as the 1st chess tournament (those citing Simpson's cannot fall back on calling it international), when weekly chess tournament results are given from the Cafe Regence in the Regence chess journal. On grandmasters, Palamede of 1836 calls Deschapelles a grand maitre (pg 231), as one can find in google books. This simply happens to be the 1st Palamede available, just as Bell's Life is a very early chess column. My guess is that the word goes back further. Jerry Spinrad |
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On Nov 25, 6:43 am, "Chess One" wrote:
I always thought this was a Fide-originated title, but no! Its: It was used earlier in an informal way. There were relatively many (formal or informal) masters, and some of them deserved an emphasis and more respect, so they were called by a stronger word like "grandmaster" or similar. Original Grandmasters: The first 5 players to be given the title "Grandmaster" were Alexander Alekhine, Jose Capablanca, Siegbert Tarrasch, Emanuel Lasker and Frank Marshall. After the conclusion of the 1914 St Petersburg tournament, Czar Nicholas II of Russia officially bestowed the title of "Grandmaster of Chess" on these 5 players. Do you really believe that it would be polite to invite the chess world champion and tell him: You know Emy, until now you didn't prove much. But now we will give you a chance. Show that you really know how to play chess and the Tsar himself will name you his grandmaster. You can forget your meaningless World Champion title. Until Soviets there was no official interest in chess in Russia that I know of. On the contrary, Soviets were always stressing the fact that it was only in the SU that chess got a serious consideration, while chess was dramatically struggling during the tsars time. (BTW, I don't like the "czar" spelling, because in Polish "cz" stands for the English "ch" sounud, just like "sz" for "sh"; thus word "czar" in Polish is what "charm" is in English; word "czar" is related also to "magic"). I think that the autobiographic book by G. Levenfish "Selected games and reminiscences" is a strong, I'd say decisive(!), evidence against claiming any involvement, direct or indirect, of Tsar in the tournament. The book was published by "Fizkultura i Sport", Moscow, 1967, six years after Levenfish died (the delay was "due to various circumstances" -- says the note from publisher). As we all know, Levinfish was not a participant of the great tournament, while he was already a very strong master, who played in tournaments against players like Alechine, Burn, (he won a game from him by that time), Marshall, Nimzovitz, Rubinstein, Schlechter, Vidmar, ... However, in his words: I was helping the organizing committee to place [meaning: to find the room and bed for night] participants. (p.46) Thus Levenfish was very close to the tournament. Most likely he was helping in more than one way but he mentions modestly just one aspect due to the needs of narration. Levenfish devotes to the tournamentover two and a half pages, almost three (pp.45-48). The whole book has just under 200 pages. At the end of page 45, Levenfish says that Nimzovitz has caught up with Alechine in the last day of the Russian championship (by beating Levenfish :-). Then A & N played a match which ended in a draw [thus they became co-champion; wh]. Levenfish writes casually: "... and after the match between them ended in draw, they were both admitted to the grandmaster tournament". It's clear that Levenfish considers the Petersburg 1914 tournament so strong that he calls it a grandmaster tournament. There is nothing official about it, nothing about any relation between the result in Petersburg tournament (like reaching the 2nd stage) and the title. There is just this casual respect for the level of the participants. On page 45/46 Levenfish writes that the chess organization was able to attract a very strong set of grandmasters. Once again not a word about ESTABLISHING the title. On the contrary, Levenfish considers the participants to be grandmasters to start with, ALL of them. Next he writes (the beginning of page 46): "First of all, the world champion Lasker gave his agreement, true, only for an extra honorarium." Once again, nothing about Tsar. Levenfish continues: "Five prizes were established". That's all! Not a word more about it. Nothing about titles! Nothing about Tsar. The text devoted to the Petersburg tournament ends in (p.48): "The Petersburg tournament gave many examples of real chess art, and it is too bad that to this time there is no collection [tournament book; wh] of the games of such a first class event [competition]. The Petersburg tournament ended near the end May, and already for August the consecutive congress of the German chess union in Mannheim." After reading Levenfish, I don't believe for a moment that Tsar was involved in the Petersburg tournament in any way. I am sure, that always cultural Levenfish would mention any such accent. Also, if Tsar would give the titles then you could imagine that he would also contribute some funds toward the organization of the tournament or, certainly, toward the prizes. Not a word from Levenfish about any of this, while we all know how important the prizes were to the chessplayers. Even the lack of a Russian tournament book is a pretty good evidence against any Tsar's involvement. I am sure that Levenfish would say some words about Rubinstein, one of the main favorites, missing a chance for the title which he had deserved for a long time. Levenfish was attached to Rubinstein. He writes how Rubinstein was lost already before the tournament had started, due to his psychological (psychiatric) state. Indeed, Levenfish describes how it was impossible to find a room for Rubinstein, be it in an excellent hotel or in a private home, because each room was to Rubinstein too noisy or too quiet. Not winning the GM title would be to Rubinstein an insult added to injury. But Levenfish doesn't say a word about any such considerations. The main thing is however, that in the light of Levenfish book you can take just any strong tournament and claim that a royalty gave the guys titles; it would be an equally (un)founded statement. Why, in the case of a more obscure (less famous) tournament you could try to make a stronger argument :-) (saying that people have short memory but for the most prestigious tournaments :-). Regards, Wlod |
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