The Board refused ...

"Larry Tapper" wrote in message
...

Phil Innes writes (about evidence the USCF is allegedly keeping a lid
on):

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Phil,

Is a statement by Goichberg on this matter, in his own words,
accessible on the Chessville site or anywhere else? If so, could you
provide a link?

Larry T.

---
Yes, Larry T. I received it exactly a week ago - from Bill Goicberg
representing the majority board decision, with this note appended to top:-
"Following is the statement. It was approved 4-1 with Channing opposed."

http://www.chessville.com/Editorials...PolgarUSCF.htm


It is preceded by remarks by Susan Polgar, then followed by further remarks,
which mostly emphasise the first ones. The matter of secret information is
not in the least contested by Bill Goichberg.

Phil Innes

On Feb 6, 3:41 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
"Mike Murray" wrote in message

...

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:50:02 -0800, "J.D. Walker"
wrote:

How about, "The USCF has no reason to hide material that would exonerate
Truong..." P Innes might be able to handle that.

Kinda cuts the Gordian Knot, don't it?

But its just another speculation in the face of the facts - USCF /are/
deciding to hide material. Given that the fact of hiding /is/ present, the
comment that they have no reason to exonerate... is opinion - right? USCF
never said so. Maybe its good opinion, but I finish this note with
another.

One implication of Mike Murray's sentence, though phrased without the
negatives, is to ask why they /are/ hiding material - right?

Alternatively; that USCF hides material to implicate rather than exonerate
Truong - right? USCF board have actually acted on this hidden material by
stripping Truong of his marketing title on the board - though no-one is
allowed to know the information that the board acted upon - which is not
tested before any court, nor before the membership.

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Of course - this is only what USCF has itself declared. There is one other
possibility, and that is that USCF may have some culpability in the
affair.

That is a comment completely independent of the fact of the Sloan suit.

Phil Innes

On Feb 7, 9:17 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"Larry Tapper" wrote in message

...

Phil Innes writes (about evidence the USCF is allegedly keeping a lid
on):

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Phil,

Is a statement by Goichberg on this matter, in his own words,
accessible on the Chessville site or anywhere else? If so, could you
provide a link?

Larry T.

---
Yes, Larry T. I received it exactly a week ago - from Bill Goicberg
representing the majority board decision, with this note appended to top:-
"Following is the statement. It was approved 4-1 with Channing opposed."

http://www.chessville.com/Editorials...PolgarUSCF.htm

It is preceded by remarks by Susan Polgar, then followed by further remarks,
which mostly emphasise the first ones. The matter of secret information is
not in the least contested by Bill Goichberg.

Phil Innes

On Feb 6, 3:41 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

"Mike Murray" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:50:02 -0800, "J.D. Walker"
wrote:

How about, "The USCF has no reason to hide material that would exonerate
Truong..." P Innes might be able to handle that.

Kinda cuts the Gordian Knot, don't it?

But its just another speculation in the face of the facts - USCF /are/
deciding to hide material. Given that the fact of hiding /is/ present, the
comment that they have no reason to exonerate... is opinion - right? USCF
never said so. Maybe its good opinion, but I finish this note with
another.

One implication of Mike Murray's sentence, though phrased without the
negatives, is to ask why they /are/ hiding material - right?

Alternatively; that USCF hides material to implicate rather than exonerate
Truong - right? USCF board have actually acted on this hidden material by
stripping Truong of his marketing title on the board - though no-one is
allowed to know the information that the board acted upon - which is not
tested before any court, nor before the membership.

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Of course - this is only what USCF has itself declared. There is one other
possibility, and that is that USCF may have some culpability in the
affair.

That is a comment completely independent of the fact of the Sloan suit.

Phil Innes

That is not what the Goichberg statement (that everybody here had
already read) says. What is says is:

"Attorneys for the USCF have directed the organization not to release
any confidential information during the pendency of the Sam Sloan
litigation."

That has nothing to do with the reason three board members were
stripped of their titles. They were stripped of their titles because
their titles DO NOT EXIST.

There is no such thing as the "Chairman of the USCF". That title is
not listed in the by-laws. The By-laws only authorize a President,
Vice-President, Secretary and VP-Finance. All other titles were fake.

Sam Sloan

"samsloan" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 9:17 am, "Chess One" wrote:
"Larry Tapper" wrote in message

...

Phil Innes writes (about evidence the USCF is allegedly keeping a lid
on):

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal
counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Phil,

Is a statement by Goichberg on this matter, in his own words,
accessible on the Chessville site or anywhere else? If so, could you
provide a link?

Larry T.

---
Yes, Larry T. I received it exactly a week ago - from Bill Goicberg
representing the majority board decision, with this note appended to
top:-
"Following is the statement. It was approved 4-1 with Channing opposed."

http://www.chessville.com/Editorials...PolgarUSCF.htm

It is preceded by remarks by Susan Polgar, then followed by further
remarks,
which mostly emphasise the first ones. The matter of secret information
is
not in the least contested by Bill Goichberg.

Phil Innes

On Feb 6, 3:41 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

"Mike Murray" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:50:02 -0800, "J.D. Walker"
wrote:

How about, "The USCF has no reason to hide material that would
exonerate
Truong..." P Innes might be able to handle that.

Kinda cuts the Gordian Knot, don't it?

But its just another speculation in the face of the facts - USCF /are/
deciding to hide material. Given that the fact of hiding /is/ present,
the
comment that they have no reason to exonerate... is opinion - right?
USCF
never said so. Maybe its good opinion, but I finish this note with
another.

One implication of Mike Murray's sentence, though phrased without the
negatives, is to ask why they /are/ hiding material - right?

Alternatively; that USCF hides material to implicate rather than
exonerate
Truong - right? USCF board have actually acted on this hidden material
by
stripping Truong of his marketing title on the board - though no-one is
allowed to know the information that the board acted upon - which is
not
tested before any court, nor before the membership.

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal
counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

Of course - this is only what USCF has itself declared. There is one
other
possibility, and that is that USCF may have some culpability in the
affair.

That is a comment completely independent of the fact of the Sloan suit.

Phil Innes

That is not what the Goichberg statement (that everybody here had
already read) says. What is says is:

Sam - (1) you really have to attend to some logic, and if Larry Tapper asks
me to cite the location of the Goichberg announcement, then it is not
'everybody', but to (b) then 'say what it says' as if you make some
difference with what I wrote about it, not quoting it, is to suggest you
'say' something other than what I report. People can see for themselves:

"Attorneys for the USCF have directed the organization not to release
any confidential information during the pendency of the Sam Sloan
litigation."

and I wrote this:

Whatever the reason is, cannot be disclosed, according to legal
counsel,
because of the Sloan suit - that is the official reason as reported to
Chessville by board president Goichberg.

What the 'that' which Sloan objects to, are my comments not Goichbergs -
which are to the effect, that apart from the Sloan suit - there can be
another reason for not releasing information.

That has nothing to do with the reason three board members were
stripped of their titles. They were stripped of their titles because
their titles DO NOT EXIST.

Let me not argue with the Sloan - since it if the board did remove titles,
then the board thinks they exist.

There is no such thing as the "Chairman of the USCF". That title is
not listed in the by-laws. The By-laws only authorize a President,
Vice-President, Secretary and VP-Finance. All other titles were fake.

They are not fake, as much as new. Maybe you don't like them, and maybe you
shouldn't like them. But the board adopted them 8 months ago. And true
enough - if all the by-laws were actually observed, then we wouldn't be
here, would we?

Thank you for your unclarifications.

Other unclarifications that surround yourself, are that your own Sloan-suit
apart, do /you personally/ have an objection to the material being aired?
For example, to clarify the issue, so that all can know?

That is a question rather than a proxy negotiation; though others have asked
about negotiator Hanken's role - though that too cannot be known, since
otherwise presumably the sky would fall down.

In the mean-time we await Mr. Truong's responses to my current 20 questions,
which will have to suffice us until we can all see 'who is clean and who is
not'.

Phil Innes


Sam Sloan

On Feb 6, 7:07 am, The Historian wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, The Historian wrote:



On Feb 5, 12:04 pm, Brian Lafferty wrote:

Chess One wrote:
Currently I am interviewing Paul Truong with what are probably the hardest
set of questions ever put to a USCF board member. I am not conscious of
skipping any issue whatever.

No doubt, there will be those who would prefer their own wording applied to
these questions, but I am writing as a journalist to obtain information by
asking real and answerable questions, not as a prosecutor hyperbolizing an
issue with a little rhetorical badinage for the peanut gallery.

Phil Innes

Bowel Boy is a journalist? ROTFLMAO!!

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

Q. A published report by Brian Mottershead links your IP address to
numerous obscene posts on the Usenet group rec.games.chess.politics.
This report has been reviewed twice by experts and found to have been
sound in its methodology and conclusion. Did you make the posts in
question? Did your wife Susan Polgar make the posts in question? If
you or Susan Polgar did not make the posts, who did?

Q. Have you ever posted anonymously to newsgroups? If so, under what
screen names?

Q. Have you ever sent email under another person's name?

Q. Have you ever used remailer programs for posting to newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever posted under the name "Bob Bennett" to the chess
newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever used another person's ID on a chess-playing site?
Have you ever used a chess-playing engine while playing a game on a
chess-playing site?

Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Philip Keith Innes, AKA
Phil Innes?

Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

Q. Who was responsible for the notorious Chess Masterminds press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

Day one. P Innes has failed to acknowledge these questions.

Day three. P Innes continues ignoring these questions.

On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, The Historian wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:04 pm, Brian Lafferty wrote:

Chess One wrote:
Currently I am interviewing Paul Truong with what are probably the hardest
set of questions ever put to a USCF board member. I am not conscious of
skipping any issue whatever.

No doubt, there will be those who would prefer their own wording applied to
these questions, but I am writing as a journalist to obtain information by
asking real and answerable questions, not as a prosecutor hyperbolizing an
issue with a little rhetorical badinage for the peanut gallery.

Phil Innes

Bowel Boy is a journalist? ROTFLMAO!!

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

Q. A published report by Brian Mottershead links your IP address to
numerous obscene posts on the Usenet group rec.games.chess.politics.
This report has been reviewed twice by experts and found to have been
sound in its methodology and conclusion. Did you make the posts in
question? Did your wife Susan Polgar make the posts in question? If
you or Susan Polgar did not make the posts, who did?

Q. Have you ever posted anonymously to newsgroups? If so, under what
screen names?

Q. Have you ever sent email under another person's name?

Q. Have you ever used remailer programs for posting to newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever posted under the name "Bob Bennett" to the chess
newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever used another person's ID on a chess-playing site?
Have you ever used a chess-playing engine while playing a game on a
chess-playing site?

Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Philip Keith Innes, AKA
Phil Innes?

Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

Q. Who was responsible for the notorious Chess Masterminds press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

More to come.....

http://lizzyknowsall.blogspot.com/20...ar-rating.html

Q. Care to explain about the exclusive "hot sauce" club you claim to
belong to?

Q. Why are you unable to visit California?

On Feb 6, 7:07 am, The Historian wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, The Historian wrote:



On Feb 5, 12:04 pm, Brian Lafferty wrote:

Chess One wrote:
Currently I am interviewing Paul Truong with what are probably the hardest
set of questions ever put to a USCF board member. I am not conscious of
skipping any issue whatever.

No doubt, there will be those who would prefer their own wording applied to
these questions, but I am writing as a journalist to obtain information by
asking real and answerable questions, not as a prosecutor hyperbolizing an
issue with a little rhetorical badinage for the peanut gallery.

Phil Innes

Bowel Boy is a journalist? ROTFLMAO!!

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

Q. A published report by Brian Mottershead links your IP address to
numerous obscene posts on the Usenet group rec.games.chess.politics.
This report has been reviewed twice by experts and found to have been
sound in its methodology and conclusion. Did you make the posts in
question? Did your wife Susan Polgar make the posts in question? If
you or Susan Polgar did not make the posts, who did?

Q. Have you ever posted anonymously to newsgroups? If so, under what
screen names?

Q. Have you ever sent email under another person's name?

Q. Have you ever used remailer programs for posting to newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever posted under the name "Bob Bennett" to the chess
newsgroups?

Q. Have you ever used another person's ID on a chess-playing site?
Have you ever used a chess-playing engine while playing a game on a
chess-playing site?

Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

Q. What business relationship do you have with Philip Keith Innes, AKA
Phil Innes?

Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

Q. Who was responsible for the notorious Chess Masterminds press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

Day one. P Innes has failed to acknowledge these questions.

Day ten. P Innes continues to ignore questions he should ask Paul
Truong.

On Feb 7, 12:49 pm, The Historian wrote:

Bowel Boy is a journalist? ROTFLMAO!!

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

Q. A published report by Brian Mottershead links your IP address to
numerous obscene posts on the Usenet group rec.games.chess.politics.
This report has been reviewed twice by experts and found to have been
sound in its methodology and conclusion. Did you make the posts in
question? Did your wife Susan Polgar make the posts in question? If
you or Susan Polgar did not make the posts, who did?

"These attacks are an invasion of my privacy...".

[change the subject]


Q. Have you ever posted anonymously to newsgroups? If so, under what
screen names?

"What do you have against anonymous posts?
Even if I had...."

[duck the question]


Q. Have you ever sent email under another person's name?

"I often share a computer with others, including
my wife and kids..."

[duck]


Q. Have you ever used remailer programs for posting to newsgroups?

"I've heard of those, but I'm no expert on that
sort of thing..."

[duck]


Q. Have you ever posted under the name "Bob Bennett" to the chess
newsgroups?

"I heard a funny joke the other day. Two GMs
are in a sushi bar..."

[duck]


Q. Have you ever used another person's ID on a chess-playing site?

"Sometimes I play under my wife's ID, to get
her bullet rating back up..."


Have you ever used a chess-playing engine while playing a game on a
chess-playing site?

"Are you crazy? I would never do that. But
in our last article for Chess Life, we had Fritz
do most of the grunt work, as usual."


Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

"Okay, there are three guys in a plane: a
Catholic, a Rabbi, and an atheist..."


Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

"That must have been a typo..."


Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

"I read an interesting article on Chessville once.
It was about the Exchange variation of the..."


Q. What business relationship do you have with Philip Keith Innes, AKA
Phil Innes?

"Who?"


Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

"Don;t talk to me about Sam Sloan-- I get
REAL MAD!!! One day soon, I'm gonna kick
his..."


Q. Who was responsible for the notorious Chess Masterminds press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

"That was supposed to be understood. Everybody
knows that you don;t compare girls to men when it
comes to playing chess, 'cause they are, like, dumb."


Q. Why are you unable to visit California?

"Didn't you know? They have earthquakes
there all the time. It's too dangerous for me
to take that kind of risk, since I am a very
rich man."


-- quote bot

On Feb 14, 11:06*pm, The Historian
wrote:
On Feb 6, 7:07 am, The Historian wrote:





On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, The Historian wrote:

On Feb 5, 12:04 pm, Brian Lafferty wrote:

Chess One wrote:
Currently I am interviewing Paul Truong with what are probably the hardest
set of questions ever put to a USCF board member. I am not conscious of
skipping any issue whatever.

No doubt, there will be those who would prefer their own wording applied to
these questions, but I am writing as a journalist to obtain information by
asking real and answerable questions, not as a prosecutor hyperbolizing an
issue with a little rhetorical badinage for the peanut gallery.

Phil Innes

Bowel Boy is a journalist? *ROTFLMAO!!

My goodness.. some of you have a real anal fixation. From a herd of
Equus asinus

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

You have a phone? Call him. Be a man .

Q. A published report by Brian Mottershead links your IP address to
numerous obscene posts on the Usenet group rec.games.chess.politics.
This report has been reviewed twice by experts and found to have been
sound in its methodology and conclusion. Did you make the posts in
question? Did your wife Susan Polgar make the posts in question? If
you or Susan Polgar did not make the posts, who did?

You didn't understand what was written, did you?

Q. Have you ever posted anonymously to newsgroups? If so, under what
screen names?

You marn posting like this"anonymously,anonymously,anonymously" I just
posted it three times!

Q. Have you ever sent email under another person's name?

Unclear usage of the language.How does one do that?

Q. Have you ever used remailer programs for posting to newsgroups?

Do you have one to suggest?


Q. Have you ever posted under the name "Bob Bennett" to the chess
newsgroups?

As opposed to posting above,behind or in front of the name?

Q. Have you ever used another person's ID on a chess-playing site?
Have you ever used a chess-playing engine while playing a game on a
chess-playing site?

Is that a direct request to improve your rating?

Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

I would consider kung pow sauce only a punishment if the meal were
prepared by a spandex- wearing sausage.

Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

Same place Dr. Demento got his. :-) Be sure of the facts. Not
everyone makes their own sites.

Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

none. none. don't know



Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

Because....

Q. Who was responsible for the press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

Same person that couldn't spell the name of "Bering Strait"





-

"Rob" wrote in message
...

No doubt, there will be those who would prefer their own wording
applied to
these questions, but I am writing as a journalist to obtain
information by
asking real and answerable questions, not as a prosecutor
hyperbolizing an
issue with a little rhetorical badinage for the peanut gallery.

Phil Innes

Bowel Boy is a journalist? ROTFLMAO!!

My goodness.. some of you have a real anal fixation. From a herd of
Equus asinus

**Don't mention it Mr. Rob, they will deny it has any significance!

Let's take him at his word. Here are some questions I'd like to ask
Mr. Truong.

You have a phone? Call him. Be a man .

**I actually asked much tougher questions than's Brennans- shirking nothing.
Answers are now in editorial province. Perhaps we will see them this
weekend? What a great big thrill for everyone. )

...?

Q. Have you ever fed hot-sauce to Susan Polgar''s children as
punishment or to force them to learn chess?

I would consider kung pow sauce only a punishment if the meal were
prepared by a spandex- wearing sausage.

**pause for a laugh - why do Americans think Asian food hotter - maybe
Americans don't know any Central American people? Or don't they want to know
them?

Q. Why did you use the title "Dr." on your homepage when you did not
have a doctorate?

Same place Dr. Demento got his. :-) Be sure of the facts. Not
everyone makes their own sites.

** Now there's a blast from the past - is Demento still going? He used to be
on NPR, but they don't carry California anymore.

Q. What business relationship do you have with Rob Mitchell? With his
company Chess Masterminds? With Chessville?

none. none. don't know

**hey Lex! first time you erred. you need to be a little sharper if you have
just returned here from Fantasy Chess Island, which is somewhere in the
Caribbean, no, and naturally a very relaxed place. maybe you used the
private Polgar-Lear jet too? maybe curious minds should investigate you
further!? huh? maybe you plan to take over the continent and become the new
czar of chess instead of the old bill [English joke], only more cunning?
weak minds want to know! daytime tv sucks, right, so let's at least
speculate here, and if we are a tad paranoid, and very fat, and into other
guy's bottoms and mention their dicks very often, encourage others to do so
too! then this is at least understandable as a reaction to daytime tv -
trouble is, how do you know you are not talking to the real FSS? i mean,
what's the difference? and even if the fat bycyclist is not that person, is
there any difference between what he writes and the what the false one did?

**Come on - you are the Blair-Slair! - is this the sort of person who when
asked for their address for previous libelous statements, declined to offer
it, and then shut up for a month?


Q. Why did Rob Mitchell offer to be "deposed" if Sloan's lawsuit comes
to trial?

Because....

**Why does Neil Brennan ask? He writes in all these threads to do with the
FSS, always about other people - as if, he himself were somehow interested
in ethical probity, while continuing to write trash like he has always
done - where actually was his fat arse when the FSS was active? on his bike
right! its just curious when the FSS stops, fat-arse comes back -
probably complete coincidence, no?

Who was responsible for the press
release that claimed Susan Polgar was one of the three strongest chess
players in the world, but didn't state that in fact that ranking was
among women only?

Same person that couldn't spell the name of "Bering Strait"

**Why are you replying directly to someone who could justly claim to be the
weakest chess player in the whole word at his age, and is, you know, maybe
just a tad hung up about it? sort of like Winter, but wetter?

Phil Innes

**Why are you replying directly to someone who could justly claim to be the
weakest chess player in the whole word at his age, and is, you know, maybe
just a tad hung up about it? sort of like Winter, but wetter?

Phil Innes

That is a good question. I really was getting bored with what I was
being forced to read and thought I would bring some humor and clarity
back to the topic. I loathe responding to anything he posts. His is
little more than bull baiting.

Lex, over and out!
:-)