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Old February 14th 08, 08:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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My old colleague Christophe Bouton has put up several fascinating pictures,
especially of the Havanna 66 event. I have seen some others from this event;

Larry Evans playing Mark Taimanov, with 'Che' Guevara looking on. That is on
Mark's double music CD

Christophe also shows Che at his own game, but, and how topical, also shows
RJF saying something to Castro. What, does anyone know, did he say to him?
See

http://echecs64.blog.20minutes.fr/ar...vane-1966.html

And here is the text in French

La régie des tabacs sortit aussi des cigares, cigarettes et allumettes aux
armes du tournoi des Nations. La cérémonie officielle d'ouverture eut lieu
le 25 au soir, en présence de Fidel Castro. Je ne vis pas un seul poil de sa
barbe car les Français étaient placés trop loin, mais de formidables
ovations saluèrent son arrivée. Le ministre de l'Éducation nationale
prononça une brève allocution de bienvenue. Le serment olympique fut
prononcé en français par Chiaramonti, en allemand par W. Baumgartner, en
anglais par l'américain Robert Byrne, en russe par le champion du monde
Tigran Petrossian, en espagnol par le numéro un cubain, Eleazar Jimenez, et
des acclamations sans fin saluèrent l'apparition du champion du monde et du
maître cubain. La manifestation se termina par un ballet échiquéen
représentant une partie célèbre jouée entre le tenant du titre mondial
Emanuel Lasker et celui qui allait le lui prendre, à La Havane précisément,
le Cubain Jose Raúl Capablanca. Une anecdote: après l'inauguration, quelques
personnalités se retrouvèrent en petit comité. Fidel Castro engagea une
partie avec le joueur mexicain Terrezaz. Bobby Fischer vint au secours de ce
dernier, tandis que Petrossian et le Bulgare Padevsky venaient à la
rescousse de Castro. Le nombre l'emporta!

Oui, Bobby était là en chair et en os!

Un des grands événements de l'Olympiade fut la présence de l'équipe des
États-Unis qui arriva le 23 de Mexico et sur la participation de laquelle
des bruits contradictoires coururent jusqu'au dernier moment. Les Yankees
trouvèrent à Cuba un accueil aussi chaleureux que les autres équipes, la
politique internationale faisant place à la paix comme cela avait été jadis
le cas pour les Jeux Olympiques de la Grèce antique. Rappelons que l'année
précédente, Bobby Fischer avait été invité au Mémorial Capablanca de La
Havane, mais le Département d'État lui avait interdit de se rendre à Cuba.
La difficulté avait été tournée, Bobby jouant du Manhattan Chess Club par
télex!
---

Enfin! Ici dessiller les yeux de quelqu'un, lui les pieds qui fourmillent!
Cordiale! Phil Innes


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Old February 14th 08, 09:05 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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On Feb 14, 3:02*pm, "Chess One" wrote:
My old colleague Christophe Bouton has put up several fascinating pictures,
especially of the Havanna 66 event. I have seen some others from this event;

Larry Evans playing Mark Taimanov, with 'Che' Guevara looking on. That is on
Mark's double music CD

Christophe also shows Che at *his own game, but, and how topical, also shows
RJF saying something to Castro. What, does anyone know, did he say to him?
See

http://echecs64.blog.20minutes.fr/ar...lvain-zinser-r...

And here is the text in French

La régie des tabacs sortit aussi des cigares, cigarettes et allumettes aux
armes du tournoi des Nations. La cérémonie officielle d'ouverture eut lieu
le 25 au soir, en présence de Fidel Castro. Je ne vis pas un seul poil de sa
barbe car les Français étaient placés trop loin, mais de formidables
ovations saluèrent son arrivée. Le ministre de l'Éducation nationale
prononça une brève allocution de bienvenue. Le serment olympique fut
prononcé en français par Chiaramonti, en allemand par W. Baumgartner, en
anglais par l'américain Robert Byrne, en russe par le champion du monde
Tigran Petrossian, en espagnol par le numéro un cubain, Eleazar Jimenez, et
des acclamations sans fin saluèrent l'apparition du champion du monde et du
maître cubain. La manifestation se termina par un ballet échiquéen
représentant une partie célèbre jouée entre le tenant du titre mondial
Emanuel Lasker et celui qui allait le lui prendre, à La Havane précisément,
le Cubain Jose Raúl Capablanca. Une anecdote: après l'inauguration, quelques
personnalités se retrouvèrent en petit comité. Fidel Castro engagea une
partie avec le joueur mexicain Terrezaz. Bobby Fischer vint au secours de ce
dernier, tandis que Petrossian et le Bulgare Padevsky venaient à la
rescousse de Castro. Le nombre l'emporta!

* * * *Oui, Bobby était là en chair et en os!

Un des grands événements de l'Olympiade fut la présence de l'équipe des
États-Unis qui arriva le 23 de Mexico et sur la participation de laquelle
des bruits contradictoires coururent jusqu'au dernier moment. Les Yankees
trouvèrent à Cuba un accueil aussi chaleureux que les autres équipes, la
politique internationale faisant place à la paix comme cela avait été jadis
le cas pour les Jeux Olympiques de la Grèce antique. Rappelons que l'année
précédente, Bobby Fischer avait été invité au Mémorial Capablanca de La
Havane, mais le Département d'État lui avait interdit de se rendre à Cuba.
La difficulté avait été tournée, Bobby jouant du Manhattan Chess Club par
télex!
---

Enfin! Ici dessiller les yeux de quelqu'un, lui les pieds qui fourmillent!
Cordiale! Phil Innes


Brady's bio of Fischer describes several meetings and conversations
between Fischer and Castro during the 1966 Olympiad. Looking at the
photo, however, it's difficult to reconcile it with any of Brady's
descriptions. Two of the encounters were outdoors, one at a
candlelight banquet, another at a huge daytime simul, but this photo
appears to be taken indoors. Another occasion was a smaller, private
banquet, but for that Castro is described as wearing formal attire,
while the photo seems to show him in his usual military fatigues.
The man partly obscured behind Fischer looks like he might be Soviet
GM Leonid Stein. If so, this could be the occasion of Fischer's most
interesting conversation with Castro, reported by Brady on pages
115-116 of "Profile of a Prodigy." Fischer challenged Stein to a match
with terms of first to 10 wins, draws not counting. Surprisingly,
Stein accepted. He and Fischer went over to Castro to ask if he would
be willing to host the match, and Castro agreed. Fischer was quite
excited at this prospect, but the whole thing fell through the next
day when the Soviet authorities nixed the idea.
However, I can't say with any certainty that the photo depicts this
occasion.
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Old February 14th 08, 09:46 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 3:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
My old colleague Christophe Bouton has put up several fascinating
pictures,
especially of the Havanna 66 event. I have seen some others from this
event;

Larry Evans playing Mark Taimanov, with 'Che' Guevara looking on. That is
on
Mark's double music CD

Christophe also shows Che at his own game, but, and how topical, also
shows
RJF saying something to Castro. What, does anyone know, did he say to him?
See

http://echecs64.blog.20minutes.fr/ar...lvain-zinser-r...

And here is the text in French

La régie des tabacs sortit aussi des cigares, cigarettes et allumettes aux
armes du tournoi des Nations. La cérémonie officielle d'ouverture eut lieu
le 25 au soir, en présence de Fidel Castro. Je ne vis pas un seul poil de
sa
barbe car les Français étaient placés trop loin, mais de formidables
ovations saluèrent son arrivée. Le ministre de l'Éducation nationale
prononça une brève allocution de bienvenue. Le serment olympique fut
prononcé en français par Chiaramonti, en allemand par W. Baumgartner, en
anglais par l'américain Robert Byrne, en russe par le champion du monde
Tigran Petrossian, en espagnol par le numéro un cubain, Eleazar Jimenez,
et
des acclamations sans fin saluèrent l'apparition du champion du monde et
du
maître cubain. La manifestation se termina par un ballet échiquéen
représentant une partie célèbre jouée entre le tenant du titre mondial
Emanuel Lasker et celui qui allait le lui prendre, à La Havane
précisément,
le Cubain Jose Raúl Capablanca. Une anecdote: après l'inauguration,
quelques
personnalités se retrouvèrent en petit comité. Fidel Castro engagea une
partie avec le joueur mexicain Terrezaz. Bobby Fischer vint au secours de
ce
dernier, tandis que Petrossian et le Bulgare Padevsky venaient à la
rescousse de Castro. Le nombre l'emporta!

Oui, Bobby était là en chair et en os!

Un des grands événements de l'Olympiade fut la présence de l'équipe des
États-Unis qui arriva le 23 de Mexico et sur la participation de laquelle
des bruits contradictoires coururent jusqu'au dernier moment. Les Yankees
trouvèrent à Cuba un accueil aussi chaleureux que les autres équipes, la
politique internationale faisant place à la paix comme cela avait été
jadis
le cas pour les Jeux Olympiques de la Grèce antique. Rappelons que l'année
précédente, Bobby Fischer avait été invité au Mémorial Capablanca de La
Havane, mais le Département d'État lui avait interdit de se rendre à Cuba.
La difficulté avait été tournée, Bobby jouant du Manhattan Chess Club par
télex!
---

Enfin! Ici dessiller les yeux de quelqu'un, lui les pieds qui fourmillent!
Cordiale! Phil Innes


Brady's bio of Fischer describes several meetings and conversations
between Fischer and Castro during the 1966 Olympiad. Looking at the
photo, however, it's difficult to reconcile it with any of Brady's
descriptions. Two of the encounters were outdoors, one at a
candlelight banquet, another at a huge daytime simul, but this photo
appears to be taken indoors.

**yes, i think i have seen this one before, but cannot remember any
circumstance attending on it - nor no commetary

Another occasion was a smaller, private
banquet, but for that Castro is described as wearing formal attire,
while the photo seems to show him in his usual military fatigues.
The man partly obscured behind Fischer looks like he might be Soviet
GM Leonid Stein. If so, this could be the occasion of Fischer's most
interesting conversation with Castro, reported by Brady on pages
115-116 of "Profile of a Prodigy." Fischer challenged Stein to a match
with terms of first to 10 wins, draws not counting. Surprisingly,
Stein accepted.

**Ha!

He and Fischer went over to Castro to ask if he would
be willing to host the match, and Castro agreed. Fischer was quite
excited at this prospect, but the whole thing fell through the next
day when the Soviet authorities nixed the idea.

**Ah!

However, I can't say with any certainty that the photo depicts this
occasion.

**Larry Evans was there. I wonder if he or LP can throw some light on this?
I have asked L. Evans previously if he can comment on the /atmosphere/ of
these engagements. Of course, since he is so well read at large, this is
book material for him, rather than interview material. Nevertheless... I
have written before that much of what Evans writes is resented as being
overdone in terms of Fischer, yet little of it seems understood! And there
is an almost Shakespearean cast on this scene, with Guevara, Castro, himself
and Taimanov too.

**I should /so/ like to interview Larry Evans, especially inviting questions
from a very broad range of opinion. He has [laugh] told me 'maybe', which
means next year, which maybe never arrives. But the period is fascinating,
ain't it? What did all these people actually know about each other, and how
did they behave altogether?

Cordially, Phil Innes


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Old February 14th 08, 09:56 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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On Feb 14, 4:46*pm, "Chess One" wrote:
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On Feb 14, 3:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote:





My old colleague Christophe Bouton has put up several fascinating
pictures,
especially of the Havanna 66 event. I have seen some others from this
event;


Larry Evans playing Mark Taimanov, with 'Che' Guevara looking on. That is
on
Mark's double music CD


Christophe also shows Che at his own game, but, and how topical, also
shows
RJF saying something to Castro. What, does anyone know, did he say to him?
See


http://echecs64.blog.20minutes.fr/ar...lvain-zinser-r...


And here is the text in French


La régie des tabacs sortit aussi des cigares, cigarettes et allumettes aux
armes du tournoi des Nations. La cérémonie officielle d'ouverture eut lieu
le 25 au soir, en présence de Fidel Castro. Je ne vis pas un seul poil de
sa
barbe car les Français étaient placés trop loin, mais de formidables
ovations saluèrent son arrivée. Le ministre de l'Éducation nationale
prononça une brève allocution de bienvenue. Le serment olympique fut
prononcé en français par Chiaramonti, en allemand par W. Baumgartner, en
anglais par l'américain Robert Byrne, en russe par le champion du monde
Tigran Petrossian, en espagnol par le numéro un cubain, Eleazar Jimenez,
et
des acclamations sans fin saluèrent l'apparition du champion du monde et
du
maître cubain. La manifestation se termina par un ballet échiquéen
représentant une partie célèbre jouée entre le tenant du titre mondial
Emanuel Lasker et celui qui allait le lui prendre, à La Havane
précisément,
le Cubain Jose Raúl Capablanca. Une anecdote: après l'inauguration,
quelques
personnalités se retrouvèrent en petit comité. Fidel Castro engagea une
partie avec le joueur mexicain Terrezaz. Bobby Fischer vint au secours de
ce
dernier, tandis que Petrossian et le Bulgare Padevsky venaient à la
rescousse de Castro. Le nombre l'emporta!


Oui, Bobby était là en chair et en os!


Un des grands événements de l'Olympiade fut la présence de l'équipe des
États-Unis qui arriva le 23 de Mexico et sur la participation de laquelle
des bruits contradictoires coururent jusqu'au dernier moment. Les Yankees
trouvèrent à Cuba un accueil aussi chaleureux que les autres équipes, la
politique internationale faisant place à la paix comme cela avait été
jadis
le cas pour les Jeux Olympiques de la Grèce antique. Rappelons que l'année
précédente, Bobby Fischer avait été invité au Mémorial Capablanca de La
Havane, mais le Département d'État lui avait interdit de se rendre à Cuba.
La difficulté avait été tournée, Bobby jouant du Manhattan Chess Club par
télex!
---


Enfin! Ici dessiller les yeux de quelqu'un, lui les pieds qui fourmillent!
Cordiale! Phil Innes


* Brady's bio of Fischer describes several meetings and conversations
between Fischer and Castro during the 1966 Olympiad. Looking at the
photo, however, it's difficult to reconcile it with any of Brady's
descriptions. Two of the encounters were outdoors, one at a
candlelight banquet, another at a huge daytime simul, but this photo
appears to be taken indoors.

**yes, i think i have seen this one before, but cannot remember any
circumstance attending on it - nor no commetary

*Another occasion was a smaller, private
banquet, but for that Castro is described as wearing formal attire,
while the photo seems to show him in his usual military fatigues.
* The man partly obscured behind Fischer looks like he might be Soviet
GM Leonid Stein. If so, this could be the occasion of Fischer's most
interesting conversation with Castro, reported by Brady on pages
115-116 of "Profile of a Prodigy." Fischer challenged Stein to a match
with terms of first to 10 wins, draws not counting. Surprisingly,
Stein accepted.

**Ha!

*He and Fischer went over to Castro to ask if he would
be willing to host the match, and Castro agreed. Fischer was quite
excited at this prospect, but the whole thing fell through the next
day when the Soviet authorities nixed the idea.

**Ah!

* However, I can't say with any certainty that the photo depicts this
occasion.

**Larry Evans was there.


Yes, I would think Evans would be a much better source than Brady on
this matter.

I wonder if he or LP can throw some light on this?
I have asked L. Evans previously if he can comment on the /atmosphere/ of
these engagements. Of course, since he is so well read at large, this is
book material for him, rather than interview material. Nevertheless... I
have written before that much of what Evans writes is resented as being
overdone in terms of Fischer, yet little of it seems understood! And there
is an almost Shakespearean cast on this scene, with Guevara, Castro, himself
and Taimanov too.

**I should /so/ like to interview Larry Evans, especially inviting questions
from a very broad range of opinion. He has [laugh] told me 'maybe', which
means next year, which maybe never arrives. But the period is fascinating,
ain't it? What did all these people actually know about each other, and how
did they behave altogether?

Cordially, Phil Innes- Hide quoted text -

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On Feb 14, 4:46 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
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**Larry Evans was there.


Yes, I would think Evans would be a much better source than Brady on
this matter.

---

Should I press him on it?

Sometimes in the flow of one's own times, it is hard to gain perspective so
as to understand interest and import of subsequent generations. And this was
a rara avis connection, much more mid cold-war, than Rejavik was in 72 - as
much The Great Game as Chess. And such circumstances surrounding the US
president; his current and subsequent actions as we know little from actual
participants to real /engagements/ [Fr.] !

Recently I read Topalov's sense of what it was /like/ to be in
Kalmykia/Elista, surrounded by secret police and everything suspected of
being bugged the hell out of, and of a massive sense of oppression on that
place.

Just a dozen years previous to this Hollywood rather liked Havana, via
Bogart and others, and the whole scene for the Americas is now somewhat
biblical - the lost sheep, et ca,. but a sheep with other experience than
the mainland flock ~ and to continue the metaphor, what is valuable to us
about learning of that? Or are we become as monolithic and
parano~claustrophobic as Russia itself, so that we no longer care about
them, but care they care about us, and that only?

Beyond the chessic aspects of these affairs, there are powerful cultural
ties and implications and futures.

Phil Innes


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Old February 14th 08, 10:43 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Dear Taylor Kingston,

One other thought, Taylor. Should the gent agree, will you work with me on
an interview? I think I can guarantee a half dozen GM questions to be
included, maybe 10. I think this does sufficient honor to him, and without
it, it may be passable on his part. And the nature of interviews is really
to ask questions which can be answered, rather than 'posed to' a person as
clever rhetoric or something.

There seem to be many questions that are yet not answered, but which are in
a broad sense, strong in our appreciation of chess to date.

You have an issue with him, and that is good. I do not think you and I
cannot agree on the basis of questions; and maybe include a third person [or
a forth] to sharpen our points, to get something out there which it always
seemed to me to be as much about the times as the participants in them.

I do understand you like writers who have substantial experience on
interrogating Russian materials on chess [such as Cafferty]. I have
exchanged several thousand messages on this subject with Russians. And with
some of them they say - "can we get this person to interview before too
late?"

I don't wish to make only some morbid comment here - but in the history of
American Greats, are we Americans not as negligent historically as the
Russians of their own to inquire of real witness to how it was?

Consider this very open-ended and public proposal if you will, and even unto
your correspondent, Mr. Caffery, and decide if you should like to proceed
withall.

Cordially, Phil Innes



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