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Normally Rybka ends the game in Middle game (25-30 moves). But today
Beginner Level was able to play till end Game. It took Rybka 51 Moves to win GetClub Beginner Level. Today an improvement was done So Rybka (Hard Level) was unable to Mate in 25-30 Moves as it used to earlier. How many players / Programs has beaten Rybka. I think with the improvement Normal Level may some day win Rybka. Here is the game with Beginner Level Game Played between Rybka and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rybka : (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...978&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (Rybka ) -- (beginner) 1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0} 2. g2-g3{12} Ng8-f6{8} 3. Nb1-c3{10} Bc8-e6{14} 4. Ng1-f3{26} Nb8-c6{6} 5. Bf1-g2{14} d6-d5{6} 6. e4-d5{22} Nf6-d5{18} 7. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-b8{6} 8. Rf1-e1{16} Nd5-c3{6} 9. b2-c3{14} g7-g6{14} 10. d2-d4{22} Bf8-g7{6} 11. Nf3-g5{24} Be6-d5{8} 12. Bc1-f4{16} Bd5-g2{6} 13. Kg1-g2{20} h7-h6{8} 14. Ng5-e4{18} g6-g5{8} 15. Bf4-e3{14} Qd8-d5{6} 16. Qd1-f3{22} e7-e6{6} 17. Be3-g5{20} Ke8-f8{6} 18. Bg5-f4{72} Rb8-c8{6} 19. Ra1-d1{32} Rh8-g8{6} 20. Rd1-b1{18} b7-b6{6} 21. a2-a4{26} f7-f5{8} 22. Rb1-b5{28} Qd5-d7{6} 23. d4-d5{24} e6-d5{10} 24. Ne4-g5{20} h6-g5{6} 25. Rb5-d5{20} Qd7-f7{6} 26. Rd5-f5{22} Bg7-f6{6} 27. Qf3-c6{22} Rg8-g6{8} 28. Bf4-g5{14} Rc8-e8{6} 29. Re1-e8{18} Qf7-e8{8} 30. Rf5-f6{26} Rg6-f6{6} 31. Qc6-f6{14} Kf8-g8{8} 32. Qf6-d8{18} Qe8-d8{6} 33. Bg5-d8{14} c7-c5{10} 34. Bd8-b6{16} a7-b6{8} 35. Kg2-f3{20} Kg8-f8{6} 36. Kf3-e4{16} Kf8-e8{6} 37. Ke4-d5{14} Ke8-d8{6} 38. Kd5-c6{16} Kd8-e8{8} 39. Kc6-b6{18} c5-c4{54} 40. h2-h4{14} Ke8-d8{6} 41. a4-a5{18} Kd8-d7{6} 42. a5-a6{34} Kd7-e6{6} 43. h4-h5{16} Ke6-f6{6} 44. h5-h6{14} Kf6-g6{6} 45. h6-h7{12} Kg6-h7{6} 46. Kb6-c5{14} Kh7-g8{6} 47. g3-g4{14} Kg8-h7{14} 48. a6-a7{16} Kh7-g6{8} 49. f2-f4{18} Kg6-f7{6} 50. Kc5-d6{16} Kf7-g6{14} 51. Kd6-e6{22} Kg6-h5{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rybka : (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...978&game=Chess So you can see GetClub Struggled till End Game. And for the first time Stopped Rybka from winning till 51 Moves. I found Rybka's end game is as poor as GetClub End Game. Instead of getting Queen and doing Check Mate it played its King and Pawns aimlessly. Beginner level was able to killl its pawns for no reasions. Play a game fast and tell me if you see the GetClub Program improved? What is the Rating of Rybka? Some say its Rating is 3000. So Since Beginner Level was able to defend till 51 Moves I think I need to increase Rating of each Level. Here is the new Rating to each level. Beginner: 2100 [5-10 sec/move] Easy: 2200 [20-40 sec/move] Normal: 2300 [1-2 min / move] Master: 2400 [5-10 min / move] I increased rating of each level by +100, As it played very well against Rybka. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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On Feb 23, 2:11 am, Sanny wrote:
Normally Rybka ends the game in Middle game (25-30 moves). But today Beginner Level was able to play till end Game. It took Rybka 51 Moves to win GetClub Beginner Level. Today an improvement was done So Rybka (Hard Level) What is this "hard level"? Does Rybka set its strength by allowing you to choose between "easy" and "hard"? White -- Black (Rybka ) -- (beginner) 1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0} 2. g2-g3{12} Ng8-f6{8} 3. Nb1-c3{10} Bc8-e6{14} 4. Ng1-f3{26} Nb8-c6{6} 5. Bf1-g2{14} d6-d5{6} 6. e4-d5{22} Nf6-d5{18} 7. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-b8{6} 8. Rf1-e1{16} Nd5-c3{6} 9. b2-c3{14} g7-g6{14} 10. d2-d4{22} Bf8-g7{6} 11. Nf3-g5{24} Be6-d5{8} 12. Bc1-f4{16} Bd5-g2{6} 13. Kg1-g2{20} h7-h6{8} 14. Ng5-e4{18} g6-g5{8} 15. Bf4-e3{14} Qd8-d5{6} 16. Qd1-f3{22} e7-e6{6} 17. Be3-g5{20} Ke8-f8{6} 18. Bg5-f4{72} Rb8-c8{6} 19. Ra1-d1{32} Rh8-g8{6} 20. Rd1-b1{18} b7-b6{6} 21. a2-a4{26} f7-f5{8} 22. Rb1-b5{28} Qd5-d7{6} 23. d4-d5{24} e6-d5{10} 24. Ne4-g5{20} h6-g5{6} 25. Rb5-d5{20} Qd7-f7{6} 26. Rd5-f5{22} Bg7-f6{6} 27. Qf3-c6{22} Rg8-g6{8} 28. Bf4-g5{14} Rc8-e8{6} 29. Re1-e8{18} Qf7-e8{8} 30. Rf5-f6{26} Rg6-f6{6} 31. Qc6-f6{14} Kf8-g8{8} 32. Qf6-d8{18} Qe8-d8{6} 33. Bg5-d8{14} c7-c5{10} 34. Bd8-b6{16} a7-b6{8} 35. Kg2-f3{20} Kg8-f8{6} 36. Kf3-e4{16} Kf8-e8{6} 37. Ke4-d5{14} Ke8-d8{6} 38. Kd5-c6{16} Kd8-e8{8} 39. Kc6-b6{18} c5-c4{54} 40. h2-h4{14} Ke8-d8{6} 41. a4-a5{18} Kd8-d7{6} 42. a5-a6{34} Kd7-e6{6} 43. h4-h5{16} Ke6-f6{6} 44. h5-h6{14} Kf6-g6{6} 45. h6-h7{12} Kg6-h7{6} 46. Kb6-c5{14} Kh7-g8{6} 47. g3-g4{14} Kg8-h7{14} 48. a6-a7{16} Kh7-g6{8} 49. f2-f4{18} Kg6-f7{6} 50. Kc5-d6{16} Kf7-g6{14} 51. Kd6-e6{22} Kg6-h5{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...978&game=Chess So you can see GetClub Struggled till End Game. And for the first time Stopped Rybka from winning till 51 Moves. I found Rybka's end game is as poor as GetClub End Game. That's not really possible; in order for that to occur, you would need to gut the program, like a fish: remove half its brain, then drug the other half so it remains in a state of deep sleep... . Instead of getting Queen and doing Check Mate it played its King and Pawns aimlessly. Beginner level was able to killl its pawns for no reasions. How about operator error? What is the Rating of Rybka? With Sanny as operator, perhaps 1500. With anyone else, somewhere around 3000. Here is the new Rating to each level. Beginner: 2100 [5-10 sec/move] Easy: 2200 [20-40 sec/move] Normal: 2300 [1-2 min / move] Master: 2400 [5-10 min / move] I increased rating of each level by +100, As it played very well against Rybka. The trouble is, I recently defeated the Master level, so that would seem to make me a 2900 player! Maybe these numbers are a tad optimistic. I am still winning in "offhand" style games against the Beginner level, without any trouble. And if I hunker down, I can still win against any of the other levels-- though not as easily or quickly as I would like. For purposes of comparison, I once had the beta version of the free demo Rybka 1.0-- the one with all the bugs. I removed the program's Queen's Rook, and proceeded to get summarily outplayed; the game went on for quite a while, but I eventually traded off enough material to *barely* win in the endgame. Next time I want to try something like that, I will remove the enemy Queen, and hunker down... . -- weak bot |
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I tried again to play a game to start to triangulate on a rating for
GitClub. Here's what happened. I thought I would try ChessMaster 10 with its rated personalities (who knows how good the ratings are and under what conditions they were taken, but what the heck). I used a personality with an 1193 rating and set the game for 2/6 Fischer time, with CM as black, GC as white; GC at "easy" level (40 seconds per move in theory). Here is the game: White -- Black (easy) -- (CM 1193) 1. d2-d4{34} e7-e5{24} 2. d4-e5{28} Bf8-c5{18} 3. Nb1-c3{26} Ng8-f6{20} 4. Ng1-f3{74} Rh8-g8{14} 5. e5-f6{20} Qd8-f6{12} 6. Nc3-d5{32} Qf6-d8{14} 7. Bc1-f4{32} d7-d6{28} 8. Qd1-d3{36} c7-c6{12} 9. Qd3-h7{42} Ke8-f8{12} 10. Nd5-c3{22} Qd8-e7{18} 11. Qh7-g8{20} I never actually saw GC's 11th move; the board disappeared and GC claimed a win when it had in fact just thrown away its queen (I looked up the move in GC's move records afterwards). I guess GC thought this was checkmate even though the white queen is unprotected. Now, up to this point I was reasonably impressed. ChessMaster was doing its usual stupid thing of throwing away material to lower its rating, but GitClub was handily taking advantage of it (though when CM threw away a knight GC waited an extra move to pick it up; luckily CM left it hanging). Still, under these conditions thus far in the game it seemed like GC was on the way to victory. But with stupid bugs like claiming a checkmate in error, who has the patience to try to evaluate GC properly, with a long enough series of games under controlled conditions? I was about to do that but I was frustrated again. No doubt Sanny will fix this bug and proclaim the program better than ever and ready to trounce Rybka in the future, but I'm about ready to give it all up. After so many months the program ought to at least play by the rules. And it would be really nice to show the final position and not just delete the board and say "game over." |
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On Feb 23, 9:02*pm, " wrote:
I tried again to play a game to start to triangulate on a rating for GitClub. *Here's what happened. *I thought I would try ChessMaster 10 with its rated personalities (who knows how good the ratings are and under what conditions they were taken, but what the heck). *I used a personality with an 1193 rating and set the game for 2/6 Fischer time, with CM as black, GC as white; GC at "easy" level (40 seconds per move in theory). *Here is the game: White -- Black (easy) -- (CM 1193) 1. d2-d4{34} e7-e5{24} 2. d4-e5{28} Bf8-c5{18} 3. Nb1-c3{26} Ng8-f6{20} 4. Ng1-f3{74} Rh8-g8{14} 5. e5-f6{20} Qd8-f6{12} 6. Nc3-d5{32} Qf6-d8{14} 7. Bc1-f4{32} d7-d6{28} 8. Qd1-d3{36} c7-c6{12} 9. Qd3-h7{42} Ke8-f8{12} 10. Nd5-c3{22} Qd8-e7{18} 11. Qh7-g8{20} I never actually saw GC's 11th move; the board disappeared and GC claimed a win when it had in fact just thrown away its queen (I looked up the move in GC's move records afterwards). *I guess GC thought this was checkmate even though the white queen is unprotected. Now, up to this point I was reasonably impressed. *ChessMaster was doing its usual stupid thing of throwing away material to lower its rating, but GitClub was handily taking advantage of it (though when CM threw away a knight GC waited an extra move to pick it up; luckily CM left it hanging). *Still, under these conditions thus far in the game it seemed like GC was on the way to victory. But with stupid bugs like claiming a checkmate in error, who has the patience to try to evaluate GC properly, with a long enough series of games under controlled conditions? * I was about to do that but I was frustrated again. No doubt Sanny will fix this bug and proclaim the program better than ever and ready to trounce Rybka in the future, but I'm about ready to give it all up. *After so many months the program ought to at least play by the rules. *And it would be really nice to show the final position and not just delete the board and say "game over." Very Strange thing There must be something wrong somewhere. That game has been restored and Computer played 11. g3 instead of 11. Qh7-g8{20} I think Chess Master took was thinking on GetClubs Move and that may be the reasion of such poor game. You may continue this game with 1. d2-d4{34} e7-e5{24} 2. d4-e5{28} Bf8-c5{18} 3. Nb1-c3{26} Ng8-f6{20} 4. Ng1-f3{74} Rh8-g8{14} 5. e5-f6{20} Qd8-f6{12} 6. Nc3-d5{32} Qf6-d8{14} 7. Bc1-f4{32} d7-d6{28} 8. Qd1-d3{36} c7-c6{12} 9. Qd3-h7{42} Ke8-f8{12} 10. Nd5-c3{22} Qd8-e7{18} 11. g2-g3{--} Let me know if you face any other problem, Just login and continue your game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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On Feb 23, 1:40*pm, help bot wrote:
On Feb 23, 2:11 am, Sanny wrote: Normally Rybka ends the game in Middle game (25-30 moves). But today Beginner Level was able to play till end Game. It took Rybka 51 Moves to winGetClubBeginner Level. Today an improvement was done So Rybka (Hard Level) * What is this "hard level"? *Does Rybka set its strength by allowing you to choose between "easy" and "hard"? White -- Black (Rybka ) -- (beginner) 1. e2-e4{2} d7-d6{0} 2. g2-g3{12} Ng8-f6{8} 3. Nb1-c3{10} Bc8-e6{14} 4. Ng1-f3{26} Nb8-c6{6} 5. Bf1-g2{14} d6-d5{6} 6. e4-d5{22} Nf6-d5{18} 7. Ke1-g1{12} Ra8-b8{6} 8. Rf1-e1{16} Nd5-c3{6} 9. b2-c3{14} g7-g6{14} 10. d2-d4{22} Bf8-g7{6} 11. Nf3-g5{24} Be6-d5{8} 12. Bc1-f4{16} Bd5-g2{6} 13. Kg1-g2{20} h7-h6{8} 14. Ng5-e4{18} g6-g5{8} 15. Bf4-e3{14} Qd8-d5{6} 16. Qd1-f3{22} e7-e6{6} 17. Be3-g5{20} Ke8-f8{6} 18. Bg5-f4{72} Rb8-c8{6} 19. Ra1-d1{32} Rh8-g8{6} 20. Rd1-b1{18} b7-b6{6} 21. a2-a4{26} f7-f5{8} 22. Rb1-b5{28} Qd5-d7{6} 23. d4-d5{24} e6-d5{10} 24. Ne4-g5{20} h6-g5{6} 25. Rb5-d5{20} Qd7-f7{6} 26. Rd5-f5{22} Bg7-f6{6} 27. Qf3-c6{22} Rg8-g6{8} 28. Bf4-g5{14} Rc8-e8{6} 29. Re1-e8{18} Qf7-e8{8} 30. Rf5-f6{26} Rg6-f6{6} 31. Qc6-f6{14} Kf8-g8{8} 32. Qf6-d8{18} Qe8-d8{6} 33. Bg5-d8{14} c7-c5{10} 34. Bd8-b6{16} a7-b6{8} 35. Kg2-f3{20} Kg8-f8{6} 36. Kf3-e4{16} Kf8-e8{6} 37. Ke4-d5{14} Ke8-d8{6} 38. Kd5-c6{16} Kd8-e8{8} 39. Kc6-b6{18} c5-c4{54} 40. h2-h4{14} Ke8-d8{6} 41. a4-a5{18} Kd8-d7{6} 42. a5-a6{34} Kd7-e6{6} 43. h4-h5{16} Ke6-f6{6} 44. h5-h6{14} Kf6-g6{6} 45. h6-h7{12} Kg6-h7{6} 46. Kb6-c5{14} Kh7-g8{6} 47. g3-g4{14} Kg8-h7{14} 48. a6-a7{16} Kh7-g6{8} 49. f2-f4{18} Kg6-f7{6} 50. Kc5-d6{16} Kf7-g6{14} 51. Kd6-e6{22} Kg6-h5{6} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...978&game=Chess So you can seeGetClubStruggled till End Game. And for the first time Stopped Rybka from winning till 51 Moves. I found Rybka's end game is as poor asGetClubEnd Game. * That's not really possible; in order for that to occur, you would need to gut the program, like a fish: remove half its brain, then drug the other half so it remains in a state of deep sleep... . Instead of getting Queen and doing Check Mate it played its King and Pawns aimlessly. Beginner level was able to killl its pawns for no reasions. * How about operator error? What is the Rating of Rybka? * With Sanny as operator, perhaps 1500. With anyone else, somewhere around 3000. Here is the new Rating to each level. Beginner: 2100 [5-10 sec/move] Easy: 2200 [20-40 sec/move] Normal: 2300 [1-2 min / move] Master: 2400 [5-10 min / move] I increased rating of each level by +100, As it played very well against Rybka. * The trouble is, I recently defeated the Master level, so that would seem to make me a 2900 player! *Maybe these numbers are a tad optimistic. *I am still winning in "offhand" style games against the Beginner level, without any trouble. *And if I hunker down, I can still win against any of the other levels-- though not as easily or quickly as I would like. * For purposes of comparison, I once had the beta version of the free demo Rybka 1.0-- the one with all the bugs. *I removed the program's Queen's Rook, and proceeded to get summarily outplayed; the game went on for quite a while, but I eventually traded off enough material to *barely* win in the endgame. *Next time I want to try something like that, I will remove the enemy Queen, and hunker down... . * -- weak bot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ok I will play a new game with Beginner Level and see if there is any improvement or not. As nothing can be said with single game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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Ok I will play a new game with Beginner Level and see if there is any
improvement or not. As nothing can be said with single game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html Here is another game, Here Rybka won Beginner Level in just 24 Moves. Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sanjay11: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...032&game=Chess -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (sanjay11) -- (beginner) 1. e2-e4{4} e7-e5{0} 2. Ng1-f3{58} Nb8-c6{0} 3. Bf1-b5{16} Bf8-c5{0} 4. Nb1-c3{18} Bc5-d4{6} 5. Nc3-d5{16} Bd4-c5{6} 6. b2-b4{18} Nc6-b4{10} 7. Bc1-a3{26} Nb4-d5{6} 8. Ba3-c5{22} Nd5-f6{8} 9. Nf3-e5{18} c7-c6{6} 10. Bb5-c4{22} Ng8-h6{6} 11. Bc5-d6{20} b7-b5{10} 12. Bc4-b3{18} Nf6-e4{10} 13. Qd1-e2{14} Qd8-f6{18} 14. Qe2-e4{28} Ke8-d8{6} 15. Qe4-b4{24} a7-a5{6} 16. Qb4-c5{22} a5-a4{8} 17. Qc5-b6{26} Kd8-e8{14} 18. Ke1-g1{22} a4-b3{6} 19. Rf1-e1{26} Qf6-e6{8} 20. Ne5-c6{28} Bc8-a6{8} 21. a2-b3{48} Ra8-c8{6} 22. Qb6-a6{24} Rc8-d8{8} 23. Nc6-d8{36} Nh6-g8{14} 24. Qa6-a8{18} Qe6-e7{6} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sanjay11: (White) beginner: (Black) Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...032&game=Chess Here Rybka again played very smartly and won the game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html |
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Very Strange thing There must be something wrong somewhere. Well no kidding. That game has been restored and Computer played 11. g3 instead of 11. Qh7-g8{20} That is cheating. GitClub should live with the move it actually made in the game. I think Chess Master took was thinking on GetClubs Move and that may be the reasion of such poor game. To my knowledge CM was not thinking on GC's time. But until the last move GC was doing just fine and was handily winning. You may continue this game with 11. g2-g3{--} Thank you but no. It is more trouble than it is worth. I will wait a couple of weeks and see if the buggy interface is fixed before I spend more time on this. |
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Here Rybka again played very smartly and won the game. I don't think Rybka played a brilliant game, but in honesty if you look closely you must say that GC played a really terrible game. 19.... Qe6 for instance, throwing away the queen; even I know better than that. How can you possibly think something this bad rates above 2000? You seem to have Rybka, well, do an analysis and find all the bad GC moves. I don't know why you test beginner level, unless it is for the reason I previously did, that it is not slow like the other levels. But really play at least from Easy level. Easy seems to play much better than Beginner. |
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:27:10 -0800 (PST), Sanny
wrote: Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...032&game=Chess Here Rybka again played very smartly and won the game. Bye Sanny Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html You don't get games with time added to the clock? Standard time games suck. Games with more moves should get more time. |
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