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The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner



 
 
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Old February 27th 08, 04:46 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Sanny
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner

10 minutes of instruction? Sure. I can't argue with what's below since the
writer seems to be talking about something he himself has not achieved. Of
course TACTICS are important, but they are the RESULTS of insight. And you
cannot calculate insight - tactics are to do with processing your insights
into sequences of moves. I'll leave it there, anything else is very hard
work to limited reward.


Nothing gives success other than Hard work. So play 10 games at
GetClub with Beginner Level.[5-10 sec/ Move]

Beginner is 1800 Rated So you will be out of the game in just 30-40
Moves. Try playing till 50 Moves.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Then Try reaching till 60 Moves.

And once you are able to play till 60 Moves Try winning the game. If
you win you are 1800+ Rated player. So a lot of hard work is needed to
win the Beginner Level.

Beginner Level will always play Opening Moves So you will learn all
the Openings Slowly by practise. And Make Help Bot your Teacher pay
him $35/ hour and you will learn a lot of things from him. He is one
of the best player over here.

Bye
Sanny

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Old February 27th 08, 05:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
Ed Gaillard
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner

You're doing things basically right: working on tactics, not worrying
about "opening theory", and playing 1.e4 with White and answering 1.e4
with 1...e5 as Black. The Open Games are the basis of everything
else.

So:

But what to play against...

...the Sicilian as white? Or perhaps to play as black?


As White, play the open Sicilians with 2. Nf3 and 3. d4. To start
with, play the fairly quiet lines with Be2, intending to follow up
with O-O, Be3, f4, and attacking on the Kingside. Playing that way
for a while will give you a basic grounding in Sicilian positions,
which is important.

If Black plays a Sicilian line with ...e5, like the Sveshnikov, for
now just retreat the Knight on d4 to b3. This isn't the best move in
the Sveshnikov, but you should get out of the opening OK. Continue
with Be2 and O-O as before, but think about building up on the d-file
instead of playing f4.

I advise that you keep playing 1...e5 as Black instead of switching to
the Sicilian.

...the Caro-Kann as white?


Anything will do. Playing the Panov (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5
4. c4) might be easiest--it's an open position, and if you play the
Queen's Gambit Declined (see next), there are a lot of ideas in
common. Usually you'll follow up with Nc3, Nf3, Bd3, and O-O, then
decide where to put the QB. It's very much like the Tarrasch Defence
to the Queen's Gambit with colors reversed.

...1. d4 as black?
...1. c4 as black? (yes, I run into people who play this at my
level...dumb, perhaps, but people do)


Play some form of Queen's Gambit Declined starting 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6
or 1. c4 e6 2. d4 d5. The Tarrasch (early ...c5, like 3. Nc3 c5), as
someone else recommended, is a good choice; you follow with ...Nc6,
....Nf6, ...Be7, and ...O-O; if White playes cxd5--he usually will--
you answer ...exd5. You'll get a lot of practice in isolated Queen's
Pawn positions, which is a good thing to learn about.

You could also consider the Lasker Defence--there's a nice article
about it at
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/g...repertoire.htm
and also some other material at the Kenilworth site.

An advantage of the Tarrasch is that you can set up that same kind of
formation against almost anything White does (except 1.e4)--just play
....d5 and ...e6, followed by ...c5, bring the Knights out, ...Be7, and
castle. Practically universal. With other QGD formations like the
Lasker, you have to think more about what to do if White plays the
Catalan or something.

...the French as white?


Simplest to start with is the Exchange Variation with a quick c4
(1. e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4). Develop as in the Panov. Later
you can think about the main lines after 3.Nc3 or 3.Nd2 instead.

My overall time to devote to chess is somewhat limited by other things
in life and it seems to me that at my level, trying to work through
"The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" or something would not be the
best use of my time.


Actually, if you're going to read one opening book, that's a decent
choice. Also, it can be instructive to look up your openings in a
chess database (like http://www.chesslive.de/). You can play
"guess-the-next-move" with master games, which will give you an idea
of where the pieces go in your openings. Don't take too much time
away from your tactics study, though.

Once last thing, going back to the Sicilian--If it bothers you to play
the theoretically inferior Nb3 against the Sveshnikov, consider a move
order trick--play 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4.Be2. Black can play
4...d5 or 4...e5, which are OK for him, but not bad for White; after
others, just go ahead and play d4.

-ed g.

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Old February 28th 08, 12:05 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
David Kane
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner


"Aftermath Fan" wrote in message
...
I'm a sub-1400 player and am not spending much time studying openings
(I'm working on tactics, as per near-universal advice).

However, I need to have *some* opening repertoire, even if it's only a
few plys deep. It's all well and good to say "play 1. e4!" and I do,
but of course, about 50% of the time I have the black pieces and my
opponent doesn't always cooperate :-)

My overall time to devote to chess is somewhat limited by other things
in life and it seems to me that at my level, trying to work through
"The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" or something would not be the
best use of my time.

So at the moment, if we play a symmetrical King's pawn game, I feel
I'm OK. I go for the Scotch Game or the Ruy Lopez and have played
with the King's Gambit. I don't really care much about the up-to-date
theoretical status of each subvariation at move thirteen because the
odds are that either I or my opponent will lose material to a tactical
trap before then. I know my way around the Scandanavian and Petroff
at a basic level. I hate people who play the Giuco Piano "old
stodge" ;-) I'm not as good at these openings as Black though it
probably doesn't matter. I run into the Philidor a lot for some
reason.

But what to play against...

...the Sicilian as white? Or perhaps to play as black?
...the Caro-Kann as white?
...1. d4 as black?
...1. c4 as black? (yes, I run into people who play this at my
level...dumb, perhaps, but people do)
...the French as white?

I don't run into the Pirc or Alekhine's very much, though there are
certain players who alway set up with various Indian defenses...I
don't worry about those at this point.

Just looking for a basic first few moves to cover the various
situations. I felt like a retard on ICC the other day when I was
black and the game went 1.d4 d5 2. c4 and I had to sit there and burn
clock trying to figure out what to do next ;-)

If there is a list of "here's a basic opening repertoire for the class
D or E player", I would love to see it.


Your approach seems sound to me. There are a number of
repertoire books, including those advocating the open games
when possible, which give systems against various
defenses/openings. Many of these are written for players
wary of learning theory, etc. I'd suggest gettting a hold of
a few and then adopting the lines that are to your taste.

I also think that you are not premature in devoting some
time to the openings. I don't see any downside in having
a prepared response to the Queen's Gambit, or a plan
for how to play vs. the French etc.


Thanks.


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Old February 28th 08, 05:15 AM
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Caro-Kann as black.
Morra Gambit v Sicilian.
Evans Gambit.
Consider this!
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Old March 5th 08, 07:54 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner

On Feb 27, 9:53 am, Aftermath Fan wrote:
I'm a sub-1400 player and am not spending much time studying openings
(I'm working on tactics, as per near-universal advice).

However, I need to have *some* opening repertoire, even if it's only a
few plys deep. It's all well and good to say "play 1. e4!" and I do,
but of course, about 50% of the time I have the black pieces and my
opponent doesn't always cooperate :-)

My overall time to devote to chess is somewhat limited by other things
in life and it seems to me that at my level, trying to work through
"The Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" or something would not be the
best use of my time.

So at the moment, if we play a symmetrical King's pawn game, I feel
I'm OK. I go for the Scotch Game or the Ruy Lopez and have played
with the King's Gambit. I don't really care much about the up-to-date
theoretical status of each subvariation at move thirteen because the
odds are that either I or my opponent will lose material to a tactical
trap before then. I know my way around the Scandanavian and Petroff
at a basic level. I hate people who play the Giuco Piano "old
stodge" ;-) I'm not as good at these openings as Black though it
probably doesn't matter. I run into the Philidor a lot for some
reason.

But what to play against...

...the Sicilian as white? Or perhaps to play as black?
...the Caro-Kann as white?
...1. d4 as black?
...1. c4 as black? (yes, I run into people who play this at my
level...dumb, perhaps, but people do)
...the French as white?

I don't run into the Pirc or Alekhine's very much, though there are
certain players who alway set up with various Indian defenses...I
don't worry about those at this point.

Just looking for a basic first few moves to cover the various
situations. I felt like a retard on ICC the other day when I was
black and the game went 1.d4 d5 2. c4 and I had to sit there and burn
clock trying to figure out what to do next ;-)

If there is a list of "here's a basic opening repertoire for the class
D or E player", I would love to see it.

Thanks.



As white -
1. c4


As black, just copy what your opponent does.




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Old March 8th 08, 08:48 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner

On Feb 26, 3:53*pm, Aftermath Fan wrote:

I run into the Philidor a lot for some
reason.


Philidor is a common opening for people who haven't studied openings,
but are at least starting to know what chess is about. It's the
tendency to attempt to defend the e-pawn without putting a piece at
risk from a miscalculation of the exchange. Obviously, f6 opens a
castled position to a diagonal attack, so that leaves the d-pawn to
carry out the mission, despite leaving the king's bishop on one side
of the board. But Philidor is a valid defense, and people don't change
any more than they have to, so in order to break from that Philidor,
black has to finally become dissatisfied with closing his KB off from
all that dark square action.

If you know the player is going to go that route anyway, and as white
you're bored with it-- well, don't open with 1. e4 --, because you're
dealing with cause and effect, as is clearly seen by the older
notation of pawn to king four, P-K4. If you're solid on tactics AND
development (a combination of the help bot's and chess one's advice),
you'll be sticking close to some type of opening, but maybe just less
familiar with the position. If someone above your rating is still
willing to play Philidor, punish them with what you know. Win or lose,
somebody gets a lesson in school. If the winner is you, then you're
not gonna stay at sub-1400 for long.

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Old March 9th 08, 02:49 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default The question you hate: opening repertoire for beginner

You sound like one king size prick

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