IVAN VS GETCLUB NEW THREAD

King E-6 x E-5 pawn .....

Yeah it seems to me the last few moves seem strange but these
computers are smarter than me so we will see what happens .....

+ I.8 now for getclub.

The B-rook is trapped ..

On Mar 4, 1:13 pm, Sanny wrote:

Here is a game by me with Beginner Level. It was a Drawn Position But
I had to resign as Computer was not accepting Draw.

The final position is an easy win for Black, not
a draw.

So tell me what do you think my Rating is it 1100 or 1200 or 1800 ???
As Beginner Level is 1700-1800 My rating must be lower than it.

First of all, the game was not finished. A twofold
repetition of position is not claimable; you need to
be in a position to repeat for the *third time* before
you could legally claim a draw.

If you are talking about what was obviously going
to happen, the program does not know how to win
this type of position, as it keeps giving itself a
bonus for hiding its King in or near a corner.

Several times in this game you (Sanny) made
poor moves which aimed at *any* exchange of
pieces, regardless of how it might affect the
position. This strategy succeeded in that you
ultimately reached a simple ending which the
program is obviously unable to win. However,
this is not a demonstration of skill inasmuch it
is a demonstration of dumb luck; you could just
as easily reached a position where the program
stumbled upon a win. For instance, it might
have Queened a couple of pawns (you were
down two right near the end) by sheer chance,
or dumb luck.

I cannot estimate a chess rating by looking at
just one or two games; all I can say is that if
you had been playing me and you played like
this, your chances of getting a win or a draw
would be zero. Zilch. Nada.

Not too long ago, I faced an opponent who
knew a lot more than you do about chess, and
although his primary goal was to avoid making
a losing blunder, his secondary goal or strategy
was obviously to just trade off pieces-- as many
as humanly possible. However, in striving to
force such trades, he kept making small
concessions which, taken together, added up
to a winning advantage for me though I had
done nothing special. I did not fear or avoid
these trades, because I saw that each one had
a significant cost in terms of his position.

Even apart from your piece-trading strategy,
you made some elementary tactical errors, as
can be seen from your needlessly losing two
pawns, for instance. People who toss out a
number like 1100 are just guessing; you need
to compete against rated players in order to
get something more accurate.

It is hard for me to try and visualize exactly
how weak an 1100 player is; I know that a
few games I have watched near their finishes
had, say, 1400 players drawing won positions,
1600s who in time pressure could not polish
off a 1400, etc. Still, these days an 1100 is
not necessarily a scholastic player, an eight
year old or a rank beginner. It could be an
adult who simply cannot stay on top of tactics
nearly as well as the 1400 players I mentioned
above.

Here is an idea: go to one of the other chess
sites, like say chessworld.com, and play
several rated games. The time control may
be ridiculously slow, but at least you will get
a number-- a real rating, based on your real
results, and not just guesswork.


-- help bot

* Even apart from your piece-trading strategy,
you made some elementary tactical errors, as
can be seen from your needlessly losing two
pawns, for instance. *People who toss out a

Yes exchanging all pieces possible, was my new technique to delay
mate.

As with less pieces opponent has less chance to win. Further Opponents
is unable to plan any attack since before it can do anything its
pieces are gone. Atleast I am satisfied that Rook takes Rook and
Bishop Takes Bishop So the score is equal.

I knew there is no way to continue game till 25 Moves against beginner
without using this technique. Using this Technique I was able to delay
mate till 48+ Moves.

If I had not exchanged pieces It would have finished the game in just
20-25 Moves. This is for the first time I was able to handle beginner
ahead of 25 Moves. Else I loose in just 20-25 Moves.

If I do not use this method of exchanging I will loose a Knight/Bishop
in first 20 Moves only. So at last the technique work.

It was a win for Black. I was thinking there is no way for black to
get a Queen. But may be black could have advanced the Pawns and get
Queen.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

GetClub Normal Level Play P-f4 (Pf3-f4)

(GetClub Normal) - (Ivan 45 Moves in 45 min)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4??? {One Point Loss}
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4

I too think they are playing wrong moves. Lets see what Experts think
about these blunder moves.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Sanny you posted without moving .. I have some things i have to do now..

Post your move and replay to Helpbot at the same time ....

I have some running around to do now but if your move was here i could
have moved ivan then when i got home if you had moved i could have moved
again....We wasted a move ..

by

On Mar 5, 10:14*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Sanny you posted without moving .. I have some things i have to do now..

Post your move and replay to Helpbot at the same time ....

*I have some running around to do now but if your move was here i could
have moved ivan then when i got home if you had moved i could have moved
again....We wasted a move ..

by

I posted the Move Below. After you Posted P-f4 (Pf3-f4)

Bye
Sanny

Maybe it did not show up when i was here ..

I decided to wait to leave just in case you posted it ..

Now i have to go but i am glad i waited..


Ivans move is King to E-6 .............................

It is thinking for about 4 min on the King move to D-6 or E-6
....

i have to go now

by by


get club + 2.00 now...

GetClub Normal Level Play R-d3 (Rd1-d3)

(GetClub Normal) - (Ivan 45 Moves in 45 min)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4??? {One Point Loss}
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4 Ke6
40. Rd3

I too think they are playing wrong moves. Lets see what Experts think
about these blunder moves.

After King K-e6 (Ke5-e6) GetClub Played R-d3. I think GetClub is
planning some attack?

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Ivans move Rook A-8 to E-8 ......

Took only about 30 seconds for this move .

gc + I.9 now ..

GetClub Normal Level Play R-e3 (Rd3-e3)

(GetClub Normal) - (Ivan 45 Moves in 45 min)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4??? {One Point Loss}
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4 Ke6
40. Rd3 Re8
41. Re3


IVAN again made wrong move as not GetClub will exchange the Rooks

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html