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Reti-Alekhine, Baden-Baden 1925



 
 
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Old March 2nd 08, 05:29 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default Reti-Alekhine, Baden-Baden 1925

Does anyone here have the actual tournament book of Baden-Baden
1925? If so, could you please tell me what it gives for moves 16-22 of
the Reti-Alekhine game, and any comments it may have on whether
threefold repetition actually occurred or not?
I am curious, because while some sources have deleted any
repetitious moves, others show threefold repetition occurring not just
once, but up to three times within that series of moves, yet neither
player claimed the draw.
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Old March 3rd 08, 03:54 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default Reti-Alekhine, Baden-Baden 1925

After 19...Bg4 it says:

Hier reklamierte Schwarz zu Unrecht Remis wegen dreimaliger
Stellungswiederholung. Diese Reklamation wurde abgewiesen.
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Old March 3rd 08, 05:33 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc
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Default Reti-Alekhine, Baden-Baden 1925

There is a multiple repetition of position in the following game but
neither player claims. It just helps keep off time trouble.

[Event "Rotterdam WCup ;CBM 13"]
[Site "Rotterdam WCup ;CBM 13"]
[Date "1989.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "John Van der Wiel"]
[Black "Anatoli Karpov"]
[ECO "C92"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "55"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5
7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Re8 10. Ng5 Rf8 11. d4 Bb7 12. Nf3
Re8 13. Ng5 Rf8 14. Nf3 Re8 15. Ng5 Rf8 16. Nf3 Re8 17. Ng5
Rf8 18. Nf3 Na5 19. Bc2 Nc4 20. b3 Nb6 21. Nbd2 Re8 22. dxe5
dxe5 23. Nxe5 Bd6 24. Nef3 Bxe4 25. Nxe4 Nxe4 26. Qd3 f5
27. Be3 Bf8 28. Rad1 1/2-1/2
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Default Reti-Alekhine, Baden-Baden 1925

On Mar 2, 10:54*pm, wrote:
After 19...Bg4 it says:

Hier reklamierte Schwarz zu Unrecht Remis wegen dreimaliger
Stellungswiederholung. Diese Reklamation wurde abgewiesen.


My German is a bit rusty. Is the book saying that Alekhine (Black)
made an incorrect claim of three-fold repetition at move 19? I recall
reading years ago somewhere that he had done so as a psychological
ploy, to annoy Reti into *_not_* actually repeating the position for
the third time. Yet, if my source (Skinner & Verhoeven) is correct,
repetition actually occurred several times after that:

1. g3 e5 2. Nf3 e4 3. Nd4 d5 4. d3 exd3 5.Qxd3 Nf6 6. Bg2 Bb4+ 7.
Bd2 Bxd2+ 8. Nxd2 O-O 9. c4 Na6 10. cxd5 Nb4 11. Qc4 Nbxd5 12. N2b3 c6
13. O-O Re8 14. Rfd1 Bg4 15. Rd2 Qc8 16. Nc5 -- Beginning the first
iteration of the repeated positions. -- 16...Bh3 17. Bf3 Bg4 18. Bg2
Bh3 19. Bf3 Bg4 20. Bg2 -- Repeating the position after White's 16th
and 18th moves. -- 20...Bh3 -- Repeating the position after Black's
16th and 18th moves. 21. Bf3 -- Repeating the position after White's
17th and 19th moves. -- 21...Bg4 -- Repeating the position after
Black's 17th and 19th moves. 22. Bh1 -- Finally breaking out of the
repetitions.

Does the tournament book give these same moves? If so, does it say
anything further about why neither player claimed a draw when he might
have? I mean, if Reti was agreeable to a draw, one would think he
would have agreed to one at move 19. If he wanted to avoid a draw,
then why would he allow extra repetitions, any one of which would
allow Alekhine to claim a draw?
 




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