Dead board = dead board (bored) game!

Where are all the creative posters of yesteryear? Nothing but spam
now. The intelligensia have moved on, now that robots have solved the
game of chess. Not that the Go board is much more lively...

IS CHESS DYING?

This topic is addressed in chapter 15 of THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by
GM Larry Evans.

Also see: http://tinyurl.com/2fdrth

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.
-- THE BOBBY FISCHER THAT WE LOVED (March Chess Life, page 19).




raylopez99 wrote:
Where are all the creative posters of yesteryear? Nothing but spam
now. The intelligensia have moved on, now that robots have solved the
game of chess. Not that the Go board is much more lively...

On Mar 4, 9:30 am, " wrote:

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.


What "Bobby" missed is that even now, weak
players can see the analysis on their computer
screens, but they cannot always *understand* it.

In another recent thread here in rgc, for
instance, one player could not comprehend why
his "Ivan" computer was indicating the capture
of a *defended* pawn by a Knight; this sort of
question is easily answered by a grandmaster,
but currently, few if any computers can do more
than show something like: "24. Nxd5 Bh4,
-- 2.14".

On the other hand, chess grandmasters are
now "obsolete" in that what was once routinely
accepted based on their erroneous opinions,
has now been easily refuted by brute force
computation, thanks to these monstrosities.

One issue which afflicts even the strongest
grandmasters, just like their weaker brethren,
is erroneous thinking along lines of "this
attack cannot break through such and such
perfect fortress". The point is that often it is
possible to break through a "perfect" fortress
by simply transferring the move so the fortress
is not quite so perfect anymore. In watching
top-level chess programs play, I see this idea
come into play time and again; the programs
may not understand what they are doing, as
such, but they do understand that a threefold
repetition of position scores as a draw, while
messing around keeps their nominal edge... .


-- help bot

How about Ray vs Helpbot in a game of random chess ? Make your moves
here on this board like ivan vs getclub..

No Castling in this game ...

I just pulled the pieces out of a hat ...

Who wants white and who wants black ?

Pawns all the same....

White ..

A-I = Knight .... D-I = Bishop
B-I =King .....E-I= Queen C-I=Rook
..........F-I=Knight
G-I= Bishop and H-I=Rook

Blacks set up is ..

A-8= Bishop
B-8 = Knight
C-8= Queen
D-8=Bishop
E-8=Rook
F-8=Knight
G-8=Rook
H-8= King

No castling and do you too want to play this game ? You should right
here on this discussion board ...

Who has a better chess brain , Helpbot or Ray , this game would be
interesting to everyone and liven this place up....

Think about it ..

I have no idea who has the advantage in this set up ...

If i was black id move b-7 to b-6 putting pressure on whites g-2 pawn
and h-I rook.

As white my first move would be F-2 to F-3 pawn to stop the above ..

You two should play this game , it would be exciting .....

On Mar 4, 8:17*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:
How about Ray vs Helpbot in a game of random chess *? * Make your moves
here on this board like ivan vs getclub..

You two should play this game , it would be exciting .....

We can play statistically, using Elo's chart. I am rated, on a very
good day, about USCF 2000, but let's just say USCF 1950 when I'm
rusty. So Helpbot probably would beat me, from what I can tell, most
of the time.

RL

On Mar 4, 5:25 pm, raylopez99 wrote:
On Mar 4, 8:17 am, (SAT W-7) wrote:

How about Ray vs Helpbot in a game of random chess ? Make your moves
here on this board like ivan vs getclub..

You two should play this game , it would be exciting .....

We can play statistically, using Elo's chart. I am rated, on a very
good day, about USCF 2000, but let's just say USCF 1950 when I'm
rusty. So Helpbot probably would beat me, from what I can tell, most
of the time.


You need to take a closer look; I think help
bot is maybe USCF 1600 at best; even the
GetClub Beginner level beats him, now and
then!

More to the point, even if help bot knew a
lot about regular chess, what SAT W-7 has
proposed is *random chess* -- a whole
different ball game. All of help bot's years
of studying chess openings are of no use
here; his in-depth understanding of the
Slobovsky variation in the Hinkleberg
Attack line of the open Huckleberry
Exchange variation, useless. I think you
can take him... .


-- casual observer

+ i already set the chess pieces up ...

Set a board up and set the pieces where i have and tell me what you
think .. Does white or black have the advantage ?

A game like this mite be interesting ..

I will play one of you if you want ...

wrote in message
...
IS CHESS DYING?

This topic is addressed in chapter 15 of THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by
GM Larry Evans.

Also see: http://tinyurl.com/2fdrth

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.
-- THE BOBBY FISCHER THAT WE LOVED (March Chess Life, page 19).


So much Thanatos! Not enough Eros. Tal had a very different point of view -
that OTB it was necessary to play chess, and any fool could find something
better the next day!

Sorry for the rhyme. Phil




raylopez99 wrote:
Where are all the creative posters of yesteryear? Nothing but spam
now. The intelligensia have moved on, now that robots have solved the
game of chess. Not that the Go board is much more lively...