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If a free society is unacceptable to you, I believe
that Iran and China still have laws against thoughtcrime...

You forgot Europe.

What part of "FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime is
not against the law" are you having trouble understanding?

Fascinating how you believe that that which is no illegal is therefore moral
and proper.

Just so you know in the futu FICS' decision to permit a name which easily
can be interpreted in an antisemitic way has nothing to do with what is
legal or illegal.

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Quadibloc wrote:


On Mar 19, 2:15 pm, wrote:

The issue isn't whether this guy is an anti-semite or not, and it
isn't whether this guy's name means "kill the jew" or something else.
The issue is *YOU*. Who cares what his name means? If it bothers
you, go see a psychiatrist, and grow up. Don't you have better things
to do with your time than look for ways to be offended? Besides, ever
heard of free speech?

No, that's not true. There were REAL PEOPLE out there who actually DID
*kill* Jews.

So we have to make sure that this will NEVER AGAIN happen. If there
are people out there who hate Jews, they must be found, and locked up,
so that they can never hurt anyone.

Whether it's in a concentration camp - or in downtown New York office
towers.

John Savard

Sorry, John, but FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime
is not against the law -- nor should it be. In a free
society, one is allowed to hate Jews, Whites, Blacks,
or even one-legged Lithuanian organ grinders without
fear of arrest. One is even allowed to publicly express
such hate. Yes, everyone will know that they are a moron,
but they won't be arrested and put into a concentration
camp. If a free society is unacceptable to you, I believe
that Iran and China still have laws against thoughtcrime...

One may be allowed to hate Jews, Blacks, or Lithuanian organ grinders, but
perhaps what is legal should not be the standard to which FICS adheres,
especially for someone who knows how to read and in fact does read FICS'
abundant statements of how it wants to present a family friendly atmosphere.

"Israel Silverman" wrote:

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If a free society is unacceptable to you, I believe
that Iran and China still have laws against thoughtcrime...

You forgot Europe.

What part of "FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime is
not against the law" are you having trouble understanding?

Fascinating how you believe that that which is no illegal
is therefore moral and proper.

Just so you know in the futu FICS' decision to permit a
name which easily can be interpreted in an antisemitic way
has nothing to do with what is legal or illegal.

It was a direct reply to a post about what is legal/illegal in
Europe, moron. There was no implication one way or the other
about morals. You can't just jump in after the context was
changed by someone calling for jail time for using the wrong
FICS username and act as if the response to *that* comment is
a response to your earlier comments.

Now, in direct reply to your post that *did* mention morality,
you, like many other idiots on the net, keep repeating your
arguments without responding to refutations of same. If you
once again refuse to address the following, it will be clear
to all that you are a hypocrite, and I *will* call you on it.

Here, once again, is the reason why there is nothing immoral
or improper FICS' decision to permit a name which has been
interpreted BY YOU AND PRETTY MUCH NOBODY ELSE in an antisemitic
way:

The reason involves the golden rule. The Talmud quotes Rabbi
Hillel as saying "What is hateful to yourself, do not do to
your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just
commentary. Go and study it." You are breaking the Golden
Rule by attempting to do to another FICS user something that
you would find hateful if done to you.

You
wish to force that FICS user to pick another name because
you are offended over a very common gaming term that was
clearly used to mean "[i] Kills you" (even you now admit
this, and have changed your complaint to "which easily
can be interpreted as" to reflect the obvious facts).

There are other people on this earth who would be greatly
offended by YOUR username "Israel Silverman" that you use
to post here (see reasons below). Just like you, they are
pretty much alone in that opinion, and just like you, they
base their objection on a "which easily can be interpreted
as" argument.

You wouldn't like it if some system admin told you to change
your username because they object, and thus the Golden Rule
as expressed by Rabbi Hillel above requires you to not try to
get a system admin to tell someone else to change their
username because you are offended.

The reason why some people find the username "Israel" to be
objectionable is that they believe that no such state exists
and that any use of that word is objectionable to a large
part of the Arab world, and by Palestinians in particular.
And, of course, they also say that you are wrong about Jews
being killed.

They are, of course, idiots, but it is not the job of the
people who run FICS to take side on that issue. It is
their job to either accommodate both you and the Palestinians,
or to not accommodate either of you. And the Golden Rule
requires you as a Jew to do the same, not to ask FICS to
accommodate you and not them. "But the stranger that dwelleth
with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou
shalt love him *as* *thyself*." --Leviticus 19:34

On Mar 22, 9:14 am, wrote:

Sorry, John, but FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime
is not against the law -- nor should it be.

I don't quarrel with that. However, when people display themselves to
be idiots, pointing that out should not be stigmatized as "whining",
except by people who _do_ support the bigotry.

John Savard

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Sorry, John, but FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime
is not against the law -- nor should it be.

I don't quarrel with that. However, when people display themselves to
be idiots, pointing that out should not be stigmatized as "whining",
except by people who _do_ support the bigotry.

True, and if all Silverman did was that, I would not have replied.

Instead, he attacked a third party (FICS) for not forcing the
user to abandon the username that Silverman objected to.
One could argue that the user was an idiot for picking that
username (and lose the argument; it is standard gaming-speak
for "kills you"), but insisting that the FICS admins suppress
it by force is, in my opinion, whining and worse.

In a free society, the answer to Nazis (or imagined Nazis)
engaging in objectionable free speech is more free speech
refuting them, not supression. In the US, holocaust deniers
have blogs and webpages, and there are blogs and webpages
that do such a good job of refuting them that anyone doing
a Google search can see who is right. In Germany, they get
to act as if the Big Bad Government is afraid of their ideas
and has no answer to them other than supressing them by force.

On Mar 22, 2:22 pm, wrote:
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If a free society is unacceptable to you, I believe
that Iran and China still have laws against thoughtcrime...

You forgot Europe.

What part of "FICS is in the USA, where thoughtcrime is
not against the law" are you having trouble understanding?

I was *agreeing* with you, idiot. What part of it did *you* not
understand?

On Mar 22, 1:47 pm, wrote:

On Mar 22, 10:14 am, wrote:

If a free society is unacceptable to you, I believe
that Iran and China still have laws against thoughtcrime...

You forgot Europe. Among other things, they have laws against "denial
of the holocaust." If you question the holocaust in any way, whether
it is in verbal speech, a written book or letter, etc. you go to
prison. So if this guy is in Europe, he can be happy staying right
where he is.


That comment treats "Europe" as if it were
but a single country, governed by a single
set of laws. I guess I'm gonna have to throw
out my globe and atlas, since they call it a
continent, and divide things up into many
countries, each presumably having its own
set of laws.


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On Mar 23, 9:06 am, wrote:

[i]
You
wish to force that FICS user to pick another name because
you are offended over a very common gaming term that was
clearly used to mean " Kills you" (even you now admit
this, and have changed your complaint to "which easily
can be interpreted as" to reflect the obvious facts).


Someone is really "reaching" here.

First of all, the brackets to *insert* a missing
word from out of the blue. Note also the fact
that /even with the inserted word/, the sentence
is not even grammatically correct. It's pretty
sad when you give yourself free reign to play
around with the name, and *still* can't come
up with a decent English-language sentence,
so that the name seems to communicate
something sensibly.


There are other people on this earth who would be greatly
offended by YOUR username "Israel Silverman" that you use
to post here (see reasons below). Just like you, they are
pretty much alone in that opinion, and just like you, they
base their objection on a "which easily can be interpreted
as" argument.


This is getting really lame. Most literate
folks will understand that "Silverman" is a
surname, handed down from generations
long before the relatively recent appearance
of the state of Israel.


You wouldn't like it if some system admin told you to change
your username because they object, and thus the Golden Rule
as expressed by Rabbi Hillel above requires you to not try to
get a system admin to tell someone else to change their
username because you are offended.


Actually, IS seemed to think that many
people would be offended-- not just him.



The reason why some people find the username "Israel" to be
objectionable is that they believe that no such state exists


That's a poor way of expressing it; those
folks could point on a map to where the
"rogue state" is, so they aren't actually
denying its very existence.


and that any use of that word is objectionable to a large
part of the Arab world, and by Palestinians in particular.
And, of course, they also say that you are wrong about Jews
being killed.


Again, a very odd way to phrase things.
Most of the time, the phrase "holocaust
deniers" is tossed about, but here we
see a peculiar twisting of that idea into
a supposed denial by "Arabs" that Jews
have been killed; very odd indeed; I very
seriously doubt that the Arabs deny that
Jews have been killed.



They are, of course, idiots, but it is not the job of the
people who run FICS to take side on that issue. It is
their job to either accommodate both you and the Palestinians,
or to not accommodate either of you. And the Golden Rule
requires you as a Jew to do the same, not to ask FICS to
accommodate you and not them. "But the stranger that dwelleth
with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou
shalt love him *as* *thyself*." --Leviticus 19:34


Um, these chess players don't actually
"dwell" with Mr. Silverman; they connect
*remotely* via the internet, and it is not
known if they are Jew or goyim, so stop
preaching on how they must be treated.


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I understand now that there are kiddies
who deliberately misspell wurds to try and
look kute, but even taking this into acct,
Mr. Silverman's interpretation is a
complete sentence, "kill zie Jew", while
the 1 by U guyz is missing a whole wurd,
[i], and has a plural [killz] where any fool
knowz there oughtta B a singular [kill].

U guyz need 2, like, get it together.


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I was *agreeing* with you, idiot. What part of it did *you* not
understand?

My apologies.

Bacon has had this issue before !

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I was *agreeing* with you, idiot. What part of it did *you* not
understand?

My apologies.