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On Mar 5, 10:34 pm, "Israel Silverman"
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I am not saying tht all the admins there are anti-semitic. I'm sure that's
not so. However, if the powers-that-be choose not to prohibit such a
handle,
well, that begins to speak for itself.

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On Mar 5, 8:33 pm, "Israel Silverman"
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A day ago, I played a game with a fellow who, I astonishingly realized
after
the game began, had a user name of "killzjoo." Obviously, this is a not
so
sneaky way of saying "Kill the Jew."

Hey, some people are just sharper than others
with these things. Me, I found it, shall we say
very helpful that you pointed out the translation.

Look at this one: killjoy; now, if a spelling-
challenged idiot like certain posters here in
rgc were to attempt this, it /could/ come out
as killjot, or killhoy, or something like that. But
I cannot think of anything offhand that would
explain the "killzjoo" spelling, apart from your
reasonable explanation.

I still recall a fellow from waaaay back when,
who had a handle (or moniker) of "tooeasy";
when I very easily defeated him, I tried to
make a joke but he apparently took offense
for the next thing I know, I am getting dashed
against the rocks by his Fritz or Chessmaster
program. This of course, was against their
policy, yet nobody did anything about it; I say
he asked for it by selecting such a name, and
by playing to match it.

Other problems with admins on these Web
sites frequently arise. I knew one fellow who
volunteered to serve as an admin in order to
get a free membership. He told me that they
pretty much did whatever they pleased, toying
with people in various ways -- even during
play. On one site, the admins bragged they
could reliably detect computer use, yet they
had never caught any of the players I knew,
and whom I watched do this countless times.

In sum, the above story is not surprising. But
I would not leap to the conclusion that the
admins are all "anti-semitic"; the fact is, they
are not so very bright as you might expect. I
bet I could go there right now and beat up on
one using Fritz... .

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Perhaps I am just old and tired. I read the intent of the nick
exactly as you do, Israel. But my sense is that someone who plays
games with such a moniker is most likely a confused and mischievous
teenager. You can try to police that kind of misbehavior if you want;
surely I can sympathize with your sensitivity. But it seems to me a
dissipation of energy. It is not necessary to bully and intimidate
and scold every vestige of anti-Semitism. Much of it goes away
naturally, over time, as people gain wisdom though hard experience.
It isn't a perfect world and the Internet, a medium which is allergic
to accountability, is more unperfect than the norm.
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I understand your point about not being overly sensitive. But when an
example is fairly clear, as this is, it is important to squelch it not so
much because of the intent of the person doing it, but from the perspective
of people seeing it and thinking that it's ok.

Also, I doubt if another race were stuck in there, it would have been as
acceptable.

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Israel Silverman wrote:
A day ago, I played a game with a fellow who, I astonishingly
realized after the game began, had a user name of "killzjoo."
Obviously, this is a not so sneaky way of saying "Kill the Jew."

That seems the most likely, though it could be "kills you".

Upon further thought, I agree that there is a significant probability that
it could be "kills you." But many times out of the probability space such a
variant, if intended to mean that, would be chosen only if a more common
form was unavailable. I checked and both "Killsyou" and "killsu" were still
available.

Israel Silverman wrote:
I understand your point about not being overly sensitive. But when
an example is fairly clear, as this is

I don't think it's as clear as you think it is. From what you've
posted so far, it could be either way.

Also, I doubt if another race were stuck in there, it would have
been as acceptable.

No. If it is anti-semitism, it is absolutely unacceptable. The
question is whether there is actually any anti-semitic intent. To
take a different example, you might imagine that `dickman' would be an
inappropriate name on a server that children use; but it is a not
uncommon English surname and it would be unfortunate to ban somebody
using the name he or she was born with.


Dave.

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Israel Silverman wrote:
"David Richerby" wrote:
That seems the most likely, though it could be "kills you".

Upon further thought, I agree that there is a significant
probability that it could be "kills you." But many times out of the
probability space such a variant, if intended to mean that, would be
chosen only if a more common form was unavailable.

Not at all. It's fashionable among many people on the internet to use
these alternative spellings in everyday speech. All the time, you see
people typing things like `wot is ur name' when there's nothing at
all, apart from personal preference, that prevents them typing the
more common `What is your name?' Such a person would be very likely
to choose a username that reflected their spelling preferences.


Dave.

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be erased!

You are correct! I had not thought of that. However, the handle would then
mean "Kill the you?" I don't think so. I still think that "Killzjoo" is what
it sure sounds like - Kill the Jew.

You may be right, on the other hand it is at least as likely that it
means "Kills You."

Israel Silverman wrote:

A day ago, I played a game with a fellow who, I astonishingly realized after
the game began, had a user name of "killzjoo." Obviously, this is a not so
sneaky way of saying "Kill the Jew."

Or it could be Gary Killzjoo of the UK, an online gamer who has been
around for years.

Why don't you go out and find some *real* jew haters? Lord
knows that there are enough of those slimeballs around without
you having to manufacture new ones without evidence.

On Mar 6, 6:52 am, "Israel Silverman"
wrote:

Also, I doubt if another race were stuck in there, it would have been as
acceptable.

Why is it that Jews are considered a /race/ by
those who complain of anti-semitism? Have the
Jews not traveled extensively, spreading out
among other cultures and intermarrying? Does
it make sense to consider such peoples as
though they were a pure "race", like say the
Aussie aborigines?

I tend to think of Jews as "those who believe
in and practice Judaism"; in other words, the
fact that they may be of mixed decent is quite
irrelevant. Perhaps this discrepancy explains
why there is so much confusion surrounding
chess players, like say, Bobby Fischer. The
people who are fixated on race will proclaim
him to be a Jew, while I see such claims as
very questionable attempts to snatch the
credit for what was achieved by a man who,
immediately after winning the world title,
joined the Worldwide Church of God -- which
is certainly not a Jewish sect of any sort.

As for the claims that "joo" can mean "you",
I would like someone to explain why anyone
would choose the letter "j" when the sound
for "y" is intended. I can see "joo" for "zoo",
because the sound matches, but it simply
doesn't fit to use a "j" where "yue" is the
intended sound. Are teenagers *that* dumb?


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Israel Silverman wrote:

I understand how this was upsetting, but I have seen slang usage of "joo"
= "you" frequently among some folks...

You are correct! I had not thought of that. However, the handle would then
mean "Kill the you?" I don't think so. I still think that "Killzjoo" is what
it sure sounds like - Kill the Jew.

Let's get a couple of things straight.

First of all "Killz" always stands for "Kills", not "Kills The".

I challenge you to find any exception.

"Joo" could be "Jew" but is more often "You."

A google search on [ killz kills joo you ]
http://www.google.com/search?q=killz+kills+joo+you

or on [ killz joo ]
http://www.google.com/search?q=killz+joo

clearly shows the most common usage.

There are plenty of real examples of antisemitism out there.
Please don't trivialize the victims by putting what looks like
an innocent attempt to convey "I Kill You" in the standard way
that online gamers convey that thought into something that
it is not.

had a user name of "killzjoo." Obviously, this is a not so
sneaky way of saying "Kill the Jew."

Eye killz joo wit mey sexyness!!!
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...65972311&sid=1

IF YOU FAVORITE THIS, I KILLZ JOO!!! I LUV JOO RYOUGA HIBIKI!
... I killz joo! (well, not literally) this is a horrible thinga
hibikiduskstar.deviantart.com/art/Scrap-Comic-75836105

In other words, "HURRY UP B4 I KILLZ JOO"
alpha-nuva.newgrounds.com/news/post/87748

Xanthe: I will killz joo! Me: ahahaa :-P
http://shadowequine.deviantart.com/a...z-Joo-74960172

STOP WRITING ABOUT THEM B4 I KILLZ JOO!
http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/35132/4287506/1/

omg teh wooter [water] killz joo! It's even in teh SH4MP00!
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/arch...p/t-48229.html

I M GOINGZ TO KILLZ JOO.
http://www.mathnews.uwaterloo.ca/Iss...roshcorner.php

nows yous bettrz lemme join yourz Gotei squad orz i killz joo wth th1s
kn1fe mmkay? =O
http://forums.quizilla.com/showthrea...26792&page=140

(joke, joke...... make with the haha now or I killz joo .)
http://www.tricksteronline.com/forum...howThread.aspx

imma gunna killz joo [graphic of Japanamation charater saying
"I Wanna Kill Joo"] aren't i cyute?
http://inari-kage.deviantart.com/art...z-joo-72407244

ares rogue I stealths and killz joo lolz
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/se...012140&s id=1

Yu-Gi-Oh GX. IF YOU STEAL THEM I WILL KILLZ JOO!
111mars111.wordpress.com/

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Israel Silverman wrote:

Upon further thought, I agree that there is a significant probability that
it could be "kills you." But many times out of the probability space such a
variant, if intended to mean that, would be chosen only if a more common
form was unavailable. I checked and both "Killsyou" and "killsu" were still
available.

Neither are standard 1337Speak (Elite Speak). "killz Joo" is.

References:

1337Speak- The Guide
http://the.mysterious.alex.googlepages.com/

An Explanation of l33t Speak
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A787917

Wikipedia: L33t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L33t

Game Geek’s Goss: Linguistic Creativity In Young
Males Within An Online University Forum"
http://www.swinburne.edu.au/sbs/ajet...-2-Blashki.pdf

Is There A Translator in Teh House?": Cultural and Discourse Analysis
of a Virtual Speech Community on an Internet Message Board
http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...anc_thesis.pdf

relax we understand j00
http://www.case.edu/orgs/sigmataudel...understand.htm