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Old May 5th 08, 03:23 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
Jürgen R.
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schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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ANTI-SOVIET HOLY WATER

Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere. -- Juergen

Juergen does not like unpleasants truths about the
late, unlamented Soviet Union. He has likely yet to
recover from the mass demonstrations throughout
Russia and Eastern Europe that finally ended communism
east of the Elbe.

We reported what Korchnoi said about chess
players in the Soviet Union learning widely about his
defection when Pravda, Izvestia and other Soviet
propaganda vehicles would be forced to report on
his candidates' matches.

Juergen's response was a lulu. Soviet players on the
scene in Biel, Switzerland heard the news. Hence the
news would spread throughout the USSR like wildfire.

Nonsense. Korchnoi was not talking about limited
chess circles; his reference was evidently to, say,
the 60 or so closed major Soviet cities of that period
to which travel was difficult, if not impossible, for
outsiders. Korchnoi was speaking of chess
players throughout the vast hinterland of the USSR.

We should not take pleasure in provoking a
creature such as our Juergen by tossing anti-soviet
holy water on the man and hearing the hissing as he
burns. Regrettably, we are not totally unamused by
the man's knee-jerk, very old-fashioned pro-Sovietism.

We thought his type had ceased to exist,
especially in the USSR but also throughout most of
Western Europe. Evidently there are still isolated examples.

Juergen est; ergo, Juergen est.

Yours, Larry Parr

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Parr, you are a bore.

Your diatribes are so full of pretentious nonsense
that it doesn't make sense to respond in detail.

Are you the spokesman for a whole group of
superannuated McCarthyites? Or is it the
pluralis majestatis you are using when you
say 'we'? What a pompous ass!




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Old May 5th 08, 10:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 5, 7:38 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

Yes, of course: The mistake is most likely due to loss
of concentration, since the endgame is easily drawn and
the game finished.


While that may well be true, the point is that
the lunatic-fringers have presented no substantive
evidence to support their speculations.


All these conspiracy theories are absurd: Chess
players sometimes make mistakes, and occasionally
grand masters make mistakes that beginners would
avoid.


In fact, in analyzing the ending of this game I ran
across yet another position where the world's very
strongest chess player seemed quite clueless. (It
rendered a positive position score where the very
rules of chess indicated a drawn game.) I think
that was the very same program against which
then-world champion Kramnik overlooked a mate-in-
one.


The idea that there wasn't enormous competition
among the Soviet players is just as silly as to believe that the
top players don't often agree to quick and easy
draws.


If I were "king" and had ordered one of my "subjects"
to throw his game to me, and he then did to me what
GM Polugaevsky did to GM Karpov in that game, I
would have him hung; make an example out of him.
Mr. Karpov had White, and yet he spent much of the
game on the defensive, narrowly escaping being
"crushed like a chicken".


Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian.


In truth, Mr. Parr is but a mindless parrot, so when
he repeats the speculations of Larry Evans, one can
no more hold him responsible for their idiocy than
one could blame a fish for swimming. It is not a
parrot's job to carefully "review" his master's jabber,
but only to repeat it faithfully; that is what parrots do.

Sadly, in many cases Mr. Evans acts the parrot,
mindlessly repeating ridiculous speculations of
others; Raymond Keene for instance. One such
"story" has long been debunked by Edward Winter,
yet all the original mindless parrots have continued
their faithful jabbering, while the hack who invented
the lies has turned to radio silence... .


Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere.


According to one fellow who was anointed by
Larry Evans as an authority on such matters,
Vassily Smyslov was the preferred champion;
this was precisely the *opposite* of what Mr.
Evans had "predicted" he would say; even so,
the contradiction was ignored, just like all other
contradictions in the theories and speculations
of the imbecilic Evans ratpack. My view is that
the erroneous "prediction" was an example of
grotesque dishonesty, and that the lack of any
correction proves this to be correct.


An extreme example of chess blindness is the game
Huebner-Petrosian in the Biel Interzonal 1976. I
actually watched this game live. Petrosian was
totally lost when he makes a completely unexpected
attacking move, after which H. has a simple mate
in 3 or 4. But instead H. defends and makes an
unbelievable sequence of blunders until he loses...


This reminds me of a famous game in which
Gary Kasparov launched one of his speculative
attacks, only to find himself down a Rook;
unfazed, GK continued the "attack", ultimately
winning despite his opponent being one of the
best players in the world (initials LL). Granted,
in that case, time-pressure probably played a
role.


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