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On May 6, 5:13 pm, SBD wrote
Wow bot, you are usually FOS but on the level of a "delightful blowhard ala Bogo" versus "jackass blowhard ala P Innes," to paraphase TK himself, but this time you really crossed the line. Flower up that prose a little and you will be Chess Two in no time. Prose? (What, not /poetry/?) Hey, I writes in plain English, I does. While that other bloke, Phil IMnes, writes in gibberish only a nother-nutter can understand. Maybe you can answer the question TK ducked: why the special attention paid to MB? Both the rat pack and TK seem to be in cahoots on this one; I wouldn't want to brand TK a mindless parrot or accuse him of mindless parrotry or brown-nosing without first giving him a chance to explain his, um, parrotry and brown-nosing. (One of these days I may write up a nice refutation of his brown-nosing in his famous articles regarding the alleged tossing of games, but not today.) Got an alternate explanation (a rational one, I mean) for the constant asides to "Western" stuff while TK is supposedly discussing other issues? It looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, but can it quack? Looks to be rabid anti-Soviet bias infiltrating, well, just about everything. (Me? I like Russia. In fact, I keep reading about how it has all sorts of natural resources "we" need, like oil and gas. I say "we" buy 'em out; just borrow a few trillion dollars from the Arabs or the Chinese. Hey-- it worked with Alaska.) -- help bot |
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On May 6, 8:19 pm, wrote:
"[Botvinnik's] trainer (now perhaps a whole retinue of trainers) works out theoretical novelties for him and tests them in play with other masters; publication of these trial games is forbidden until Botvinnik uses that particular variation." This, from a Soviet defector, supports the notion that Botvinnik was, at least to some extent, controlling chess information in Russia. It also jibes with what I said about secret training games. The original, sweeping claim was that MB controlled *all* information in Russia. Hearsay evidence that MB controlled certain info regarding his own opening repertoire comes up just a wee bit short, don't you think? -- help bot |
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A particularly relevant quote from the Winter article is this, written by Bohatirchuk in 1949: "[Botvinnik's] trainer (now perhaps a whole retinue of trainers) works out theoretical novelties for him and tests them in play with other masters; publication of these trial games is forbidden until Botvinnik uses that particular variation." This, from a Soviet defector, supports the notion that Botvinnik was, at least to some extent, controlling chess information in Russia. Sure but that's standard stuff, surely? Doesn't every top-ten player do that, except that these days, the trial games are probably against the computer? Dave. -- David Richerby Electronic Crystal Composer (TM): www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a pupil of Beethoven but it's completely transparent and it uses electricity! |
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On May 7, 6:48*am, David Richerby
wrote: wrote: A particularly relevant quote from the Winter article is this, written by Bohatirchuk in 1949: "[Botvinnik's] trainer (now perhaps a whole retinue of trainers) works out theoretical novelties for him and tests them in play with other masters; publication of these trial games is forbidden until Botvinnik uses that particular variation." This, from a Soviet defector, supports the notion that Botvinnik was, at least to some extent, controlling chess information in Russia. Sure but that's standard stuff, surely? *Doesn't every top-ten player do that, except that these days, the trial games are probably against the computer? Well, it was not standard for most masters in Botvinnik's day, whether Soviet or Western, to have "a retinue of trainers." So in that sense he enjoyed a special privilege. As far as secret trial games are concerned, yes, that was and is quite common. I cited the passage only because, in saying "publication of these trial games is forbidden," it provided some support, however minor, to the notion that Botvinnik was controlling the flow of chess information. |
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THE WAY IT WAS
This, from a Soviet defector, supports the notion that Botvinnik was, at least to some extent, controlling chess information in Russia. -- Taylor Kingston There was also force or its threat -- in one form or another -- employed by both Botvinnik and Karpov during their reigns. Those who refused to contribute to the "collective" could be punished. One handy weapon, which could lead to outright starvation of one's family, was loss of ration cards. Dogs and cats disappeared from the streets of Moscow in the late 1940s. You did as Botvinnik wished or your children might die from malnutrition. Times were not quite so dire during Karpov's time, but Soviet citizens did not eat well back then, either. Concerning Bogatyrchuk, there was a nasty attack on him by "Ludek Pachman" in the British Chess Magazine when Pachman was still a dedicated Stalinist. Interestingly, the English in the attack was excellent; and from Pachman's anguished written appeals after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, we know that he wrote pidgin English. His book CHECKMATE IN PRAGUE: THE MEMOIRS OF A GRANDMASTER (1975) written after he was thrown in prison for breaking with the party line still makes for interesting reading. Pachman also was the target of a Soviet boycott and spent his last days in Berlin. So, then, Bogatyrchuk was a defector who prompted the Soviet propaganda machine into action in an attempt to discredit him. In fact, it was an example of the kind of stuff offered here recently by Juergen, our jerkin' gherkin, when attacking Korchnoi. The very fact of the bogus attacks on Bogatyrchuk lend his testimony considerable plausibility. Yours, Larry Parr wrote: On May 7, 6:48?am, David Richerby wrote: wrote: A particularly relevant quote from the Winter article is this, written by Bohatirchuk in 1949: "[Botvinnik's] trainer (now perhaps a whole retinue of trainers) works out theoretical novelties for him and tests them in play with other masters; publication of these trial games is forbidden until Botvinnik uses that particular variation." This, from a Soviet defector, supports the notion that Botvinnik was, at least to some extent, controlling chess information in Russia. Sure but that's standard stuff, surely? ?Doesn't every top-ten player do that, except that these days, the trial games are probably against the computer? Well, it was not standard for most masters in Botvinnik's day, whether Soviet or Western, to have "a retinue of trainers." So in that sense he enjoyed a special privilege. As far as secret trial games are concerned, yes, that was and is quite common. I cited the passage only because, in saying "publication of these trial games is forbidden," it provided some support, however minor, to the notion that Botvinnik was controlling the flow of chess information. |
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