David Kane does not argue about

" the dufus-like understanding of the
Category 15 rr event has disappeared entirely"

and is content to say the topic is 'not desirable', and brown-noses the
Brain

[unless of course he admits 'not understanding' things he doesn't like on
purpose

or

is capable of saying what he doesn't understand, which he fails to do]

pi

Four idiots are always wrong - Confucius



"David Kane" wrote in message
. ..

"Brian Lafferty" wrote in message
...
samsloan wrote:
On Oct 7, 4:29 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

**Gosh - now Sam Sloan drops the ideas of ratings altogether - as if he
doesn't understand the issue - and it may seem so, since Sam Sloan at
the
same time also snipped the context of the very thing he complains
about,
while providing a ratings list - the dufus-like understanding of the
Category 15 rr event has dissapeared entirely, as if those facts too
were
nothing to such as he. Much better to keep beggaring the truth of
everything
as some way to justify your own existance? Sloan's lists of things are
longer than there are things to list, which includes various
inventions, as
if from the basis of an improbable understanding of what seems plain
enough
to the vast majority of people. Sloan concludes as if my rating Susan
Polgar
was less than those listed, despite a couple of pretty strong
performances
against ex W Ch Karpov, scoring 50%, a player who could take Sloan's
list on
in a simul. Phil Innes [the usual newsgroups deleted, since Sloan
adds
them back in since the more confusion to his constant calumnys, the
better.

Would somebody kindly explain or translate into English whatever it is
that Phil Innes is saying here?

Sam Sloan

I no longer think that translation of Innes is possible.

or desirable.

On Oct 8, 4:54 am, Jürgen R. wrote:
samsloan wrote:
On Oct 7, 11:49 pm, "Bob" wrote:
samsloan wrote:
Susan Polgar

And yet Susan is still rated higher thatn any of
these.http://main.uschess.org/assets/msa_j...n.php?12452240

Just another problem with the USCF website. I suppose the list you
cited was of "active" players, but this is just a guess and not sted
on
the website.

--

Do you know of any sporting activity that ranks a person on what he or
she did years ago?

Yes, I do: Chinese Chess. The Chinese have a ranking foreign players
that takes no account of age, sexual orientation, religious prejudice,
national origin or the ability to play Xiangqi. Consequently Sam Sloan
runs around claiming that he won the World Championship in Chinese Chess,
based on a tournament for amateurs, which nobody recorded,
played many years ago.

Not true. The Event was called the "Seven Stars Cup" played in
Beijing, China in December, 1988. Only last August I went to San
Francisco and recovered some documents and photos from the event. If
anybody can read them and tell me more about them, please do so.

http://www.2008wmsg.org/en/news/2008-10-09/1649583.html

in my recent trip to San Francisco on August 15-23, 2008 in which I
was able to locate and recover some of my old possessions, including
scoresheets and photos from the comparable event in 1988 which was
called "The Seven Stars Cup".

Here is a picture of me playing in the competition. If anybody knows
the name of my opponent please tell me. He is likely to be a strong
and famous player.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-playing.jpg

Here is a group picture of the players and officials in the
tournament. There are many famous personalities in this picture. I am
standing at the far left wearing a red tie.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-officials.jpg

Here is a picture of me at a meeting of the "Preparatory Committee of
the World Chinese Chess Federation". I am sitting in the middle
wearing a white shirt and red tie. Frank C. Ing representing San
Francisco is to the far right.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-meeting.jpg

Here is a picture of me with Hu Long Hua, "The Bobby Fischer of
Chinese Chess". Hu Long Hua is by far the most famous player of
Chinese chess. His career closely paralleled that of Bobby Fischer
because he won the All China Championship, which was the same thing as
the world championship, in 1960 at age 15. He then proceeded to win it
ten times in a row. My daughter, Shamema, is standing to the right. We
are standing in front of the hotel where the event was played. If
anybody knows the name of the hotel, please let me know.

http://www.anusha.com/hu-sam-shamema.jpg

Here is a picture of my daughter Shamema standing on the Great Wall of
China. Shamema is the child who was kidnapped by the Jerry Falwell
Gang two years later and taken to America.

http://www.anusha.com/shamema-on-wall.jpg

Here is a picture of me standing in front of the cross table of the
event.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-sam-and-crosstable.jpg

Here is a picture of the cross table of the event. If anybody can read
and translate this, please do so. I believe that I am number 11 on the
cross table. I cannot figure out how this cross table works, but what
I remember is that it was a Swiss, everybody played two games with his
opponent, one with red, one with black. A win and a win scored one
point, the same as a win and a draw. This is because of the high
percentage of draws in Chinese chess plus red, who has the first move,
has a much bigger advantage than in chess.

By the way, I only won two games in the event, but that was an
accomplishment as it was an almost all grandmaster event. (I was one
of the few non-grandmasters). Both games I won were against a player
who was the Champion of Europe and has since written several books on
Chinese Chess, Mr. C. K. Lai.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-crosstable.jpg

The boy on the right was the big winner in the tournament, according
to my standards, not because he won the most games, but because he
married one of his opponents and took her back to England. She became
the champion of England in Chinese chess. He was not such a strong
player. I believe that I was beating him one of the two games I played
with him, but I blundered and lost.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-england-representative.jpg

Here is a demonstration board in Chinese chess. However, I believe
that this demo board is from the event in Singapore in 1990. If
anybody can translate the two names at the bottom, please do so.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-demo-board.jpg

I found about ten scoresheets of games played during the Seven Stars
Cup. I cannot read Chinese, especially not hand written Chinese, so I
do not know if these are the scoresheets of my games or the games of
other players. If anybody can tell me the names of the two players
here, please do so.

http://www.anusha.com/cc-scoresheet.jpg

Here is my best opponent from the event. Not the strongest but
certainly the most beautiful. Actually, I beat her. This was not from
the main event but a side event sponsored by a whiskey company.
Considering how beautiful some of these girls were, I am wondering
what they had in mind, especially since, as noted above, the player
from England married one of his opponents.

http://www.anusha.com/my-best-opponent.jpg

Sam Sloan

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:15:42 GMT, Brian Lafferty
wrote:


Oh boy, do I ever feel spanked by Innes. ;-)

Careful here.

Here is the latest attack piece by Susan Polgar:

"In both emails, I clearly did not use the word strongest which may or
may not be true but definitely highly debateable since some other big
tournaments were from different time and it is difficult to compare. I
clearly stated "Highest rated 10-player international round robin
chess tournament in U.S. history!" so that there can be absolutely no
dispute. It clearly defines as a 10-player event, round robin and not
double round robin, and it includes International players so there
would be no comparison to U.S. championships.

"I also sent the same info to over 40 media (chess and non-chess)
sources."

"Susan Polgar
"http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
"http://www.SusanPolgar.com"

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB...php?f=4&t=1526

However, the New York Times did not say that Susan herself said that
the SPICE tournament was the strongest in US history. Rather, the New
York Times said that Texas Tech University said that, which was
correct, because Texas Tech University clearly did say that.

So, why is Susan Polgar attacking the New York Times and its reporter?

Sam Sloan

Here is another attack by Susan Polgar:

"If picking on one debateable sentence written by a non-chess player
out of more than one hundred from SPICE makes better news for the NY
Times then so be it. I cannot control what is written in the NY Times.

"My last response to Mr. McClain was:

"Thank you Dylan for covering the SPICE Cup.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar

"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
" http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
" http://www.SusanPolgar.com "

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB...php?f=4&t=1526

However, the "wild attacks" are coming from Susan Polgar and her
cronies against the New York Times and its reporter, not the other way
around. The Times report was accurate. Texas Tech University announced
that the tournament was the strongest in US history. That was not
true. It was not debatable. It was simply not true. Why does Susan
Polgar keep attacking the New York Times for writing a true and
accurate report of her event. Would she have preferred that the Times
not report on the event at all? And who is making "wild insults"
here? Anybody other than Susan Polgar?

Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan

samsloan wrote:
"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
" http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
" http://www.SusanPolgar.com "


This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for your crackpot
lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations without any serious fact-
checking. Whatever one thinks of Polgar and Truong, treating a
vexatious litigant like you as a reliable source shows very poor
judgment on McClain's part.


Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan


Can you document Polgar actually saying that, or is it another of your
hallucinations? The press release I saw described it as "the Highest
Rated 10-player International Round-Robin in U.S. History," which is
technically true -- FIDE didn't have a rating system in 1966. (It's
also weasel-worded PR flackery, but that's another matter.)

Oct 11, 2:29 am, wrote:
samsloan wrote:
"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
"http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
"http://www.SusanPolgar.com"

This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for your crackpot
lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations without any serious fact-
checking. Whatever one thinks of Polgar and Truong, treating a
vexatious litigant like you as a reliable source shows very poor
judgment on McClain's part.

Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan

Can you document Polgar actually saying that, or is it another of your
hallucinations? The press release I saw described it as "the Highest
Rated 10-player International Round-Robin in U.S. History," which is
technically true -- FIDE didn't have a rating system in 1966. (It's
also weasel-worded PR flackery, but that's another matter.)

The Second Piatigorsky Cup had Petrosian and Spassky, Bobby Fischer,
Samuel Reshevsky, Bent Larsen (Denmark), Lajos Portisch (Hungary),
Wolfgang Unzicker (West Germany), Miguel Najdorf (Argentina), Borislav
Ivkov (Yugoslavia), and Jan Hein Donner (Netherlands). It was a ten-
player double round robin.

Susan Polgar's SPICE Cup had Alexander Onischuk, Harikrishna Pentala,
Varuzhan Akobian, Leonid Kritz, Gregory Kaidanov, Julio Becerra,
Victor Mikhalevski, Kamil Miton, Hannes Stefansson and Eugene
Perelshteyn. It was a ten-player round robin.

Susan Polgar states that it is "debatable" which one was stronger, but
that her's was the strongest ten-player round robin because the Second
Piatigorsky Cup was a ten player double round-robin.

Do you think that it is "debatable"? If so, which side of this debate
would you like to take?

Sam Sloan

On Oct 11, 7:38*pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
wrote:
samsloan wrote:
Oct 11, 2:29 am, wrote:
samsloan wrote:
"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
"http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
"http://www.SusanPolgar.com"

This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for your crackpot
lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations without any serious fact-
checking. Whatever one thinks of Polgar and Truong, treating a
vexatious litigant like you as a reliable source shows very poor
judgment on McClain's part.

Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan

Can you document Polgar actually saying that, or is it another of your
hallucinations? The press release I saw described it as "the Highest
Rated 10-player International Round-Robin in U.S. History," which is
technically true -- FIDE didn't have a rating system in 1966. (It's
also weasel-worded PR flackery, but that's another matter.)

The Second Piatigorsky Cup had Petrosian and Spassky, Bobby Fischer,
Samuel Reshevsky, Bent Larsen (Denmark), Lajos Portisch (Hungary),
Wolfgang Unzicker (West Germany), Miguel Najdorf (Argentina), Borislav
Ivkov (Yugoslavia), and Jan Hein Donner (Netherlands). It was a ten-
player double round robin.

Susan Polgar's SPICE Cup had Alexander Onischuk, Harikrishna Pentala,
Varuzhan Akobian, Leonid Kritz, Gregory Kaidanov, Julio Becerra,
Victor Mikhalevski, Kamil Miton, Hannes Stefansson and Eugene
Perelshteyn. It was a ten-player round robin.

Susan Polgar states that it is "debatable" which one was stronger, but
that her's was the strongest ten-player round robin because the Second
Piatigorsky Cup was a ten player double round-robin.

Do you think that it is "debatable"? If so, which side of this debate
would you like to take?

Sam Sloan

So, as I asked before, can you document Polgar actually saying that?

Susan wrote: "In both emails, I clearly did not use the word strongest
which may or may not be true but definitely highly debateable since
some other big tournaments were from different time and it is
difficult to compare. I clearly stated "Highest rated 10-player
international round robin chess tournament in U.S. history!" so that
there can be absolutely no dispute. It clearly defines as a 10-player
event, round robin and not double round robin, and it includes
International players so there would be no comparison to U.S.
championships.

Susan states above that it is "debateable" as the whether her SPICE
Cup won by Harikrishna Pentala was stronger than the Second
Piatigorsky won by Spassky.

So, I am asking you: Which side of this debate would you like to take?

Her claim that the SPICE CUP is the highest rated is not clear either.
Although FIDE Ratings did not exist in 1966, USCF ratings had been
long established. In spite of the tremendous rating inflation since
1966 it is still likely that the Second Piatigorsky was higher rated.

Also, remember that it is Susan who is aggressively attacking the New
York Times on her blog. The New York Times has no interest in pursuing
this debate.

Sam Sloan

samsloan wrote:
On Oct 11, 7:38�pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
wrote:
samsloan wrote:
Oct 11, 2:29 am, wrote:
samsloan wrote:
"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
"http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
"http://www.SusanPolgar.com"

This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for your crackpot
lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations without any serious fact-
checking. Whatever one thinks of Polgar and Truong, treating a
vexatious litigant like you as a reliable source shows very poor
judgment on McClain's part.

Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan

Can you document Polgar actually saying that, or is it another of your
hallucinations? The press release I saw described it as "the Highest
Rated 10-player International Round-Robin in U.S. History," which is
technically true -- FIDE didn't have a rating system in 1966. (It's
also weasel-worded PR flackery, but that's another matter.)

The Second Piatigorsky Cup had Petrosian and Spassky, Bobby Fischer,
Samuel Reshevsky, Bent Larsen (Denmark), Lajos Portisch (Hungary),
Wolfgang Unzicker (West Germany), Miguel Najdorf (Argentina), Borislav
Ivkov (Yugoslavia), and Jan Hein Donner (Netherlands). It was a ten-
player double round robin.

Susan Polgar's SPICE Cup had Alexander Onischuk, Harikrishna Pentala,
Varuzhan Akobian, Leonid Kritz, Gregory Kaidanov, Julio Becerra,
Victor Mikhalevski, Kamil Miton, Hannes Stefansson and Eugene
Perelshteyn. It was a ten-player round robin.

Susan Polgar states that it is "debatable" which one was stronger, but
that her's was the strongest ten-player round robin because the Second
Piatigorsky Cup was a ten player double round-robin.

Do you think that it is "debatable"? If so, which side of this debate
would you like to take?

Sam Sloan

So, as I asked before, can you document Polgar actually saying that?

Susan wrote: "In both emails, I clearly did not use the word strongest
which may or may not be true but definitely highly debateable since
some other big tournaments were from different time and it is
difficult to compare. I clearly stated "Highest rated 10-player
international round robin chess tournament in U.S. history!" so that
there can be absolutely no dispute. It clearly defines as a 10-player
event, round robin and not double round robin, and it includes
International players so there would be no comparison to U.S.
championships.

Susan states above that it is "debateable" as the whether her SPICE
Cup won by Harikrishna Pentala was stronger than the Second
Piatigorsky won by Spassky.

So, I am asking you: Which side of this debate would you like to take?

Her claim that the SPICE CUP is the highest rated is not clear either.
Although FIDE Ratings did not exist in 1966, USCF ratings had been
long established. In spite of the tremendous rating inflation since
1966 it is still likely that the Second Piatigorsky was higher rated.


Sam Sloan


1) You just conceded that you are a liar (or, to frame it in the
manner most favorable to you, a blithering idiot).

2) I am inclined to agree that the 2nd Piatigorsky Cup was stronger,
and probably the first as well (Keres, Petrosian, Najdorf, Olafsson,
Reshevsky, Gligoric, Benko, Panno). But since the hypothesis is
inherently untestable without a time machine, arguing about it is
utterly pointless.

3) Even if the USCF assigned ratings to all the players in the
Piatigorsky Cup, in 1966 Najdorf, Donner, Unzicker and Ivkov would
almost certainly have been rated in the 2500s. They didn't start
giving out 2600 ratings to all and sundry until quite recently. This,
however, _is_ subject to test. Find a 1967 annual rating list and look
up the ratings. If you're too lazy or stupid to do so (what do I mean,
"if"?), shut up and crawl back under your rock.

NY TIMES PIMPING FOR SAM!?

This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for
your crackpot lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations
without any serious fact- checking. Whatever one thinks of
Polgar and Truong, treating a vexatious litigant like you as a
reliable source shows very poor judgment on McClain's part.
--JKH (John Hillery) to Sam Sloan

If John Hillery has got it about right, then he
is essentially charging the NY Times with pimping for
Sam Sloan.

Many of us also would like to have the most powerful
newspaper on earth pimping for them.

Sam: I will be contacting you privately to
learn how you have wrapped the NY Times around your
Caissic digits. I'd really like to know.

We fully expect to hear that Warren Buffett and
Bill Gates will be seeking Sam's favor as they develop
their Foundation activities. And, to be sure, the
British royals may already be in contact with Sam on a
series of advisory efforts.

We thank Mr. Hillery for advising us on Sam's
breakthroughs into the haute monde.

We hear unsubstantiated rumors that Mr. Hillery
has the CJA Newsletter pimping for him. If true --
and we don't insist that the editor possesses such vast
influence -- then the man is also developing his
networking capabilities, though evidently, judging by
the man's own testimony, he lags far behind Sam.

Yours, Larry Parr




wrote:
samsloan wrote:
"It is sad to see a few people who have done virtually zero for chess
using the NY Times article to make wild attacks and insults toward
innocent people without even checking the facts.

"Best wishes,
"Susan Polgar
" http://www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
" http://www.SusanPolgar.com "


This almost certainly refers to McClain pimping for your crackpot
lawsuits, by printing your crazy allegations without any serious fact-
checking. Whatever one thinks of Polgar and Truong, treating a
vexatious litigant like you as a reliable source shows very poor
judgment on McClain's part.


Have you noticed how Susan Polgar claims that her SPICE Cup was the
strongest RR tournament in US history because the Second Piatagorsky
Cup, with Fischer, Spassky and Petrosian, was a double round robin
whereas her tournament was only a single round robin?

Sam Sloan


Can you document Polgar actually saying that, or is it another of your
hallucinations? The press release I saw described it as "the Highest
Rated 10-player International Round-Robin in U.S. History," which is
technically true -- FIDE didn't have a rating system in 1966. (It's
also weasel-worded PR flackery, but that's another matter.)