On Jul 18, 4:20*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is Knight E-6 to D-4 *check ..

GetClub Played King at f3 to g2. So IVAN can draw the game if same
moves are repeated 3 times.

This move was played by thinking for 168 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3 Nc5
19. Rd6 Rad8
20. RxR RxR
21. R-d1 Rxd1
22. Kxd1 f6
23. Nc4 K-f7
24. K-e1 K-e6
25. N-e2 K-d5
26. N-d2 N-f5
27. b3 g5
28. K-f1 g4
29. c3 Nd3
30. a3 c5
31. h3 gxh3
32. c4+ K-d6
33. gxh3 Ne7
34. h4 Nc6
35. Ng3 Nd4
36. N-e4+ Ke5
37. Nc3 h5
38. Nd5 a5
39. K-g2 Nc1
40. b4 cxb4
41. axb4 axb4
42. Nxb4 Ne6
43. Kf3 Nd4
44. Kg2

GetClub is at advantage of 0.91 points

It can be drawn if IVAN plays back its knight and the moves are
repeated 3 times.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

* BTW, Sanny, are you still predicting GetClub will win within 45
moves? Where's the mate in two, then?

In this game IVAN exchanged most of the pieces and End Games started
just after 20th move. So GetClub is finding it difficult to finish
quickly.

Second thing helping IVAN is that GetClubs end Game is very weak.

Incase this game were in middlegame till 40th move GetClub would have
easily won the game in 45 moves.

In just first 15 moves GetClub was 1 pawn ahead. So middlegame of Easy
level is so strong that every 20 moves IVAN will loose 1 pawn.

IVAN is as strong as Beginner Level. And Easy level is 4 times
stronger than Beginner Level.

You should play a game with Easy Level and see how strong it has
become. I am sure it will be very hard to beat the Easy Level as many
new openings have been taught to GetClub.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Jul 19, 1:12*am, Sanny wrote:

* BTW, Sanny, are you still predicting GetClub will win within 45
moves? Where's the mate in two, then?

In this game IVAN exchanged most of the pieces and End Games
started just after 20th move. So GetClub is finding it difficult to
finish


[...formerly "win"]


quickly.

Second thing helping IVAN is that GetClubs end Game is very weak.

Incase this game were in middlegame till 40th move GetClub would have
easily won the game in 45 moves.

In just first 15 moves GetClub was 1 pawn ahead. So middlegame of Easy
level is so strong that every 20 moves IVAN will loose 1 pawn.

IVAN is as strong as Beginner Level.


Ivan repeatedly *defeated* the Beginner level.


And Easy level is 4 times stronger than Beginner Level.

You should play a game with Easy Level and see how strong it has
become. I am sure it will be very hard to beat the Easy Level as many
new openings have been taught to GetClub.


In this game, GetClub obtained a winning advantage
in the opening and hung onto it for a long time...
before throwing the win away. Yes, GetClub is very
weak in the endgame.

I just played a couple of games (after a longish break)
against the lower levels and found the games to be very
interesting. In one I was undoubtedly busted in the open-
ing, and in the other I gambled on a far-advanced passed
pawn I easily obtained early on. In the second of these
two games I overlooked an obvious exchange-winning
move, but a bit further on it was I who landed the real
bone-crusher tactical blow. Very interesting chess--
unlike this boring stuff between GetClub and Ivan, which
one could aptly describe as mere wood-shuffling.

That's the trouble with computers (and dullards)-- they
lack imagination and daring, and long-range strategy.
It's always "optimize this" or "neutralize that" with these
strange creatures. Why can't a computer be more like
a man? If I wanted to play inferior openings, neglect
the study of endgames or stay out late, a man would
not complain-- oh no! If I failed to call, played chess all
night long or even showed up hungover, a bloke would
never complain-- certainly not. So then, why can't a
computer be more like a man?


-- help bot

Ivans move is D-4 to E-6 Knight

Ok if the make the same moves we can call it a draw ..

That move was ten seconds ..

On Jul 19, 4:20*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is D-4 to E-6 *Knight

GetClub Played King at g2 to f1.

This move was played by thinking for 100 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3 Nc5
19. Rd6 Rad8
20. RxR RxR
21. R-d1 Rxd1
22. Kxd1 f6
23. Nc4 K-f7
24. K-e1 K-e6
25. N-e2 K-d5
26. N-d2 N-f5
27. b3 g5
28. K-f1 g4
29. c3 Nd3
30. a3 c5
31. h3 gxh3
32. c4+ K-d6
33. gxh3 Ne7
34. h4 Nc6
35. Ng3 Nd4
36. N-e4+ Ke5
37. Nc3 h5
38. Nd5 a5
39. K-g2 Nc1
40. b4 cxb4
41. axb4 axb4
42. Nxb4 Ne6
43. Kf3 Nd4
44. Kg2 Ne6
45. Kf1

GetClub is at advantage of 0.89 points

GetClub Changed its move as it do not want to draw the game.

Ok if the make the same moves we can call it a draw ..

That move was ten seconds ..

GetClub is one point ahead So it changed its move and do not accept
draw. It will be very long game. As IVAN will not be able to stop the
c4 pawn unless it gives its one knight. Then it has to draw the game
without one knight.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

IVAN is as strong as Beginner Level.

* Ivan repeatedly *defeated* the Beginner level.

After the game was improved there was only one game where IVAN won. In
that game Beginner was well ahead. But there was a tactical Blunder
and it lost a knight. due to that blunder.

Beginner is slightly stronger than IVAN.

And Easy is 4 times stronger than Beginner as it takes 4 times longer
time.

* In this game, GetClub obtained a winning advantage
in the opening and hung onto it for a long time...
before throwing the win away. *Yes, GetClub is very
weak in the endgame.

That has to be improved now as now Middle & Opening are very good.
Once End Game is made stronger too It will play like Heaven.

* I just played a couple of games (after a longish break)
against the lower levels and found the games to be very
interesting. *In one I was undoubtedly busted in the open-
ing, and in the other I gambled on a far-advanced passed
pawn I easily obtained early on. * *In the second of these
two games I overlooked an obvious exchange-winning

Yes, I found you took arround 70 moves to win the game with Beginner
Level.

Try a game with Easy Level. Easy will be a good challenge for you.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

ivans move King E-5 to F-5 .

that move 25 seconds ..

GC + I.0

yes lets play until one is checkmated ..

On Jul 20, 7:05*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:

yes lets play until one is checkmated ..

But that must have already happened. Sanny said "Easy Will win this
game in 45 moves." Wasn't that move 45 just now? If so, check the
position; you must be in mate already. Sanny couldn't be *_wrong_*,
could he?

On Jul 20, 2:18*am, Sanny wrote:

IVAN is as strong as Beginner Level.

* Ivan repeatedly *defeated* the Beginner level.

After the game was improved there was only one game where IVAN won. In
that game Beginner was well ahead. But there was a tactical Blunder
and it lost a knight. due to that blunder.

Beginner is slightly stronger than IVAN.


It seems that Sanny is another of those ratpacker
style "thinkers" for whom wins are only accepted as
evidence of superiority /on a whim/. If his program
should repeatedly lose, that too is rejected at his
whim, in favor of some random delusion.

However, it is noteworthy that in the rare cases in
which the GetClub program has won or even drawn,
such facts are presented by Sanny as convincing
evidence of GetClub's superiority or equality, in
strict accordance with well-known principles of logic
and reason (not Sanny's momentary whims).

Contrasting the above two approaches, one might
easily conclude that there is something fishy going
on in Sanny's mind... .


* In this game, GetClub obtained a winning advantage
in the opening and hung onto it for a long time...
before throwing the win away. *Yes, GetClub is very
weak in the endgame.

That has to be improved now as now Middle & Opening are very good.
Once End Game is made stronger too It will play like Heaven.


Don't worry so much about the endgame. I have
noticed that Rybka is also very weak in certain end-
games. For instance, if you work through a few key
Rook-and-pawn endings with Rybka and the table-
bases, you will often see Rybka thinking the position
is clearly won when in fact it is a "book" draw. On
the other hand, Rybka does seem to find very good
moves, in spite of her position-scoring delusions.


* I just played a couple of games (after a longish break)
against the lower levels and found the games to be very
interesting. *In one I was undoubtedly busted in the open-
ing, and in the other I gambled on a far-advanced passed
pawn I easily obtained early on. * *In the second of these
two games I overlooked an obvious exchange-winning

Yes, I found you took arround 70 moves to win the game with Beginner
Level.


Granted that it can be a bit tedious to play through
such longish games, but what do you think about
them-- are they not far /more interesting/ games
than the wood-shifting we have seen in contests
between Ivan and GetClub?


Try a game with Easy Level. Easy will be a good challenge for you.


I had a bit of a rough time with the two easiest
levels due to my experimentation in the openings
and attempting to not merely trade down and win
easily in a theoretically drawable ending.

Against higher levels I am more inclined to play
it safe, steer toward positional play, bore all the
spectators to death, trade pieces and just win by
exploiting the all-too-well-known gaping weak-
nesses of the opponent. In fact, I do much the
same thing in tournament play, but to a lesser
degree.

I think the fallacy of Sanny's thinking is that the
human opponents' play must remain fixed, while
his program's will improve if given more thinking
time. In reality, many of us humans can -- if we
apply ourselves properly -- improve our play by
thinking longer, while the ability of the GetClub
program consists mainly in spinning its wheels
longer, although /some/ improvement in quality
of play is inevitable due to the fact that more of
the basic tactics are computed. GetClub is still
a long way from mastering these basics and so
the spectators continue to clamour for Sanny to
raise his program's level against Ivan-- a com-
mercial program with, presumably, at least a
very basic mastery of elementary tactics.

I think the delusional approach to chess has
been highlighted by the fact that at one point, I
had suggested Sanny "correct" the ratings of
his various levels by putting them in the correct
order with Advance rated highest, then Master
and so on down the line; his reply was to let the
ratings fall where they may... to let the *results*
determine the relative rankings and ratings.

As we now know, Sanny eventually did an
about-face, "correcting" the obviously screwed
up rankings and tossing out their respective
results. Certain players were manipulating
these ratings by playing commercial programs
against the top levels (mainly), thus driving
their ratings into the ground while other levels
remained as they were, as did the ratings of
all the other players. The simplest safeguard
against this sort of manipulation is to "fix" the
ratings of the program's various levels, and
let the ratings of human players "float"; but
there has been a lot of tweaking of the pro-
gram over time, and as we know, its strength
has varied dramatically-- on rare occasion,
even approaching that of some commercial
programs, like Ivan.


-- help bot

On Jul 20, 4:05*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
ivans move King E-5 to F-5 .

GetClub Played King at f1 to e1.

This move was played by thinking for 110 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3 Nc5
19. Rd6 Rad8
20. RxR RxR
21. R-d1 Rxd1
22. Kxd1 f6
23. Nc4 K-f7
24. K-e1 K-e6
25. N-e2 K-d5
26. N-d2 N-f5
27. b3 g5
28. K-f1 g4
29. c3 Nd3
30. a3 c5
31. h3 gxh3
32. c4+ K-d6
33. gxh3 Ne7
34. h4 Nc6
35. Ng3 Nd4
36. N-e4+ Ke5
37. Nc3 h5
38. Nd5 a5
39. K-g2 Nc1
40. b4 cxb4
41. axb4 axb4
42. Nxb4 Ne6
43. Kf3 Nd4
44. Kg2 Ne6
45. Kf1 Kf5
46. Ke1

GetClub is at advantage of 0.99 points

GC + I.0

yes lets play until one is checkmated ..

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html