Ivans move is Bishop G-4 x Bishop G-2

GC + I,2

This game is far from over ..

Ivan does not have to think about the King , it can concentrate on the
other pieces ..

That move was about 30 seconds and it was on level 6 , i do not remember
ever seeing it go to 7 so i am not sure it thinks that hi ? But as this
game gets more complicated i will see if i does.

On Jun 29, 5:38*am, Eric Hallsworth countryw...@cambridge-
cb6.demon.co.uk wrote:

Did you notice that in none of the games that Taylor Kingston
interestingly quotes, no Black player tried 5...e5. Will Ivan work out
why in time?!


Actually, the "data dump" approach, of which hacks
are so fond of, is of little merit. Too, the sophistry of
attempting to craft a sort of authority argument by
showing that bad moves /have been played/, and by
very famous players, is a bit lame-- even by Taylor
Kingston's standards. This is the same sophistry
TK has tried before, with just about everything short
of Mr. Sloan's favorite opening lines...Damiano's
and so forth.

I can still recall a tournament game I played many
years ago, in which my memory just sort of faded
out and I had no idea what my repertoire book had
recommended. I was completely on my own, and
had to calculate variations in a complex early middle
game position where I had not the slightest clue as
to the book "plans" for either side. After the game
was over, I went home and looked the exact position
in my trusty, well-written and thorough openings text,
only to find that the author -- an International Master
-- had merely inserted some recent game in which
the position had occured, and which I expect the
player of the repertoire's color had eventually won.

Trouble was, his very first move was an obvious
blunder-- a move I had looked at and rejected, even
with my meager calculating powers! In sum, the
lighter text -- but not the main lines -- had been care-
lessly done, without any real work on the part of the
book's well-respected author; it was basically an
Eric-Schillerian data dump of often unwarranted
successes (and draws).


-- help bot

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Anyway, one notes the innuendo up top, in which
it is hinted that there is some sort of clear refutation
to the move ...e5. That is to say, one notes the
inclusion of /mere innuendo/, as opposed to, say,
anything of substance. :D


-- Rybka

On Jun 29, 10:24*am, Taylor Kingston
wrote:

* My database has 36 games where Black played 5...e5. The overall
score in them was +18 -12 =6 in
White's favor. After 6.Nxb7, the favored reply seems to be 6...Qb6
rather than Ivan's 6...Qxd4. I give two games below; I can't speak to
their theoretical importance, but they feature high-rated


[Rybka chortled here.]


players in serious events:

Felgaer,Ruben (2592) - Jobava,Baadur (2616) [B18]
FIDE-Wch k.o. Tripoli (1.2), 20.06.2004

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Nc5 e5 6.Nxb7 Qb6 7.Nc5 exd4


Why ...exd4?


Shaposhnikov,Evgeny (2564) - Yevseev,Denis (2580) *B18
St Petersburg-ch St Petersburg (7), 22.04.2003

(annotations by Korchnoi)

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Nc5

A rather strange deviation from the main line 5.Ng3.

5...e5

The most aggressive approach. To my mind 5...Nd7 is more solid.

6.Nxb7 Qb6 7.Nc5 exd4


No comment by VK?

This is where everybody seems to be leaving the
line (my old version of) Rybka calculates as being
optimal. Well, what does a paltry 3000-rated
player know about chess, anyway... .


8.Nb3 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Nf6 10.Qe2+

According to the theory 10.Nf3 with a slight edge to white is more
exact here.


"The theory" has thus far only beaten Rybka
in Rook and pawn endings. I've read that the
programmer did not consider this phase of
the game to be especially important, and yes,
he was proved correct in that Rybka thumps
nearly all the other engines before they can
even get there!


10...Be6 11.0–0–0 Bxd2+ 12.Qxd2

An old game claims some advantage to white after *12.Rxd2 c5 13.Qb5+
Nbd7 14.Bc4 but everything here needs a proper confirmation.


This is the outmoded "trial by fire" approach, in
which the value of a move or variation is roughly
estimated by its results in practical play (assum-
ming that all other things are equal).

In practical play, the ending KQ vs. KBB was
usually agreed drawn by even the strongest
human players, based upon a faulty assumption
these players did not seem to even realize they
were making. They say great minds think alike,
but sometimes in aping one another, minds do
not actually "think" at all.

From another angle, we all know what happen-
ed when such players as Bobby Fischer and
Gary Kasparov took up the Sicilian Defense as
Black: strangely, the advantage of having the
White pieces after 1. e4 magically disappeared
into thin air! I still remember how, somewhere
in time between those two champions, it was
seen that 1. ...c5? was hardly playable, as Mr.
Taimanov discovered when playing his version
of the defense. So it seems that all other things
are not always (or even often) equal.

Maybe my old version of Rybka is simply
wrong; or maybe, if I let her crank for a week
straight, she will suddenly change her mind
and agree with the old book theory, scoring
7. ...exd4 as optimal. And maybe Bobby
Fischer will one day be forced to admit that
the French Defense is quite sound... .


-- help bot

On Jul 3, 12:57*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is Bishop G-4 x Bishop G-2

GetClub played took your Bishop with Knight Bxe2.

This move was played by thinking for 56 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2

GetClub is at advantage of 1.25 points

* GC + I,2

This game is far from over ..

Ivan does not have to think about the King , it can concentrate on the
other pieces ..

That move was about 30 seconds and it was on level 6 , i do not remember
ever seeing it go to 7 so i am not sure it thinks that hi ? *But as this
game gets more complicated i will see if i does.

Now end game has come only 2 rooks and a knight. Lets see if IVAN can
survive with 1 pawn less.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Ivans move is Knight B-8 to A-6

GC + I.4

Now this game has got really complicated because two Knights are harder
to play than two Bishops ...Mr k and Helpbot do you agree ?

There is so much wide open space to roam with the horses ..Did you
program GC to play well with Knights ?

Will GC be able to drive a pawn down and get a Queen ? ...... No
Way.....
Will Ivan be able to stop it ?... YES .....

Will GC Blunder ? ......YES .....

This to me is an exciting game , Ivan thought for 4 min on that move
..It was thinking for awhile of moving Rook F-8 to E-8 then changed it's
mind and started thinking about the Knight move which i belive is the
better move ..

Knights and Rook vs Knght and Rooks ..

who will win and who will die ??????

On Jul 3, 10:36*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is Knight B-8 to A-6

GetClub played Rook to d7. R-d7 attacking your knight..

This move was played by thinking for 240 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7

GetClub is at advantage of 1.99 points

GC + I.4


According to getclub score is 2.0 So one more pawn going to be killed.

*Now this game has got really complicated because two Knights are harder
to play than two Bishops ...Mr k and Helpbot do you agree ?

But you are down 2 pawns. Even if you kill 1 pawn other will get
queen.

* There is so much wide open space to roam with the horses ..Did you
program GC to play well with Knights ?

Very difficult to win when you are down 2 pawns.

Will GC be able to drive a pawn down and get a Queen ? ...... No
Way.....

One more pawn is being killed So you have to worry about 2 pawns.

Will Ivan be able to stop it ?... YES .....

Near Impossible.

* Will GC Blunder ? ......YES .....

Easy do not blunder.

Beginner Level Blunder in 1 out of 5 games.
Easy Level Blunders in 1 out of 30 games.

Try your luck.

* This to me is an exciting game , Ivan thought for 4 min on that move
.It was thinking for awhile of moving Rook F-8 to E-8 then changed it's
mind and started thinking about the Knight move which i belive is the
better move ..

Excitement over when one more pawn is gone.

IVAN can necer beat the Easy Level. Even Beginner is stronger than
IVAN. and Easy thinks 4 times longer than Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Ivans move F-8 to E-8 Rook ....saving knight....that is the rook on F-8
....

GC + I.I ...Ivan just made a little back ....

GC may not blunder but one bad move after another will be like a
blunder..Ivan is closing the gap..Ivan is a lttle better in the end
game BUT can it stop GC pawns ?????? Not sure but i hope it can..

That move was ten seconds..

yes this game is a good game to me..

I wonder if Ivan can play good defence ..

In article
s.com, Sanny writes
On Jul 3, 10:36*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is Knight B-8 to A-6

GetClub played Rook to d7. R-d7 attacking your knight..

This move was played by thinking for 240 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7

GetClub is at advantage of 1.99 points

GC + I.4


Hi Sanny

240 seconds - can you remind us what is the Average intended to be on
Easy level. Also what PC + processor is GetClub running on?

Cheers - Eric

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On Jul 3, 1:05*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move F-8 to E-8 Rook ....saving knight....that is the rook on F-8

GetClub played Knight to c3. N-c3

This move was played by thinking for 80 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3

GetClub is at advantage of 1.8 points

* GC + I.I ...Ivan just made a little back ....

Looks like N-c3 is wrong move.

GetClub will try to pin your Knight.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Ivans move is A-6 to C-5 knight ..

Yes small mistakes will start to add up ..Thing is i am not a good
enough player to know if that was a mistake ?

I will see what Ivan scores it ..Now GC + I.2..
So that was not a bad move , last move it was GC + I.I ..

Having two knights is very complicated game .

30 seconds for that move , it did not think of any other move..