On Jul 4, 1:30*am, Sanny wrote:

GetClub will try to pin your Knight.

Sanny, not only do you not understand how to play chess well, you
don't even understand chess terminology. No pin is possible in the
position after 18.Nc3, nor is one feasible in the near future. A pin
occurs when a line piece (i.e. bishop, rook or queen) bears on an
enemy piece which is shielding from attack another piece further along
the same line, the piece so shielded usually being of higher value
than the attacking piece. Examples from the opening array: after 1.d4
Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 the bishop pins the knight which shields the
king; or after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 the bishop pins the knight
which shields the king.
In the current game with Ivan, the only remaining line pieces are
the rooks. Neither white rook is in any position to pin either black
knight. You could play 19.Rh1-e1, attacking Black's Ne7, but that
would not be a pin, since Black's Re8 is defended and the Ne7 is free
to move without losing it. If Black's other rook were on, say, g6
instead of a8, 19.Re1 would create a pin, but it would be easily
relieved by 19...Kf8.
Along with actually learning how to play chess, I recommend you get
a book with a decent glossary of chess terms.

Have to go to work ..will be back on Sun when i get home..

Have a nice 4th of July..

On Jul 4, 10:53*am, Taylor Kingston
wrote:
On Jul 4, 1:30*am, Sanny wrote:



GetClub will try to pin your Knight.

* Sanny, not only do you not understand how to play chess well, you
don't even understand chess terminology. No pin is possible in the
position after 18.Nc3, nor is one feasible in the near future. A pin
occurs when a line piece (i.e. bishop, rook or queen) bears on an
enemy piece which is shielding from attack another piece further along
the same line, the piece so shielded usually being of higher value
than the attacking piece. Examples from the opening array: after 1.d4
Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 the bishop pins the knight which shields the
king; or after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 the bishop pins the knight
which shields the king.
* In the current game with Ivan, the only remaining line pieces are
the rooks. Neither white rook is in any position to pin either black
knight. You could play 19.Rh1-e1, attacking Black's Ne7, but that
would not be a pin, since Black's Re8 is defended and the Ne7 is free
to move without losing it. If Black's other rook were on, say, g6
instead of a8, 19.Re1 would create a pin, but it would be easily
relieved by 19...Kf8.
* Along with actually learning how to play chess, I recommend you get
a book with a decent glossary of chess terms.

Correcting a typo in the above: after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 the
bishop pins the knight
which shields the queen.

On Jul 4, 6:39*pm, Taylor Kingston
wrote:

*Correcting a typo in the above: after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 the
bishop pins the knight which shields the queen.


An understandable error... .

In my most recent forray back into "active" play,
not one but *two* of my opponents tried to make
illegal moves in the same event.

In one case, I had cut off the enemy from soon
castling King-side, by sweeping across the dark
squares from c5 to f8, first with my Bishop, and
then later with my Queen. This didn't stop him
from /trying/, though!

In another game, I had just forked my opponent's
King and unprotected Knight on a5 by playing Q-
a4+, to which he tried to respond p-b6, saving the
Knight!

At the start of one game, we had both just sat
down at the board -- someone else's board -- to
play, and I immediately realized that something
was amiss; my opponent, however, did not see
any problem and was ready-Freddie to play the
position in front of him. Apparently, the previous
occupants of this board had reset the black
Queen on e8, the black King on d8, a reversal
(for those who are not certain why this might be
significant).

Indeed, after 1. e4 e5, 2. Nf3 d6, 3. d4 Bg4, it
is not the King, but the Queen which sits on the
pinning line of attack g4-d1; but no, this is not a
typo. A typo, or typographical error, is what
happens when you hit the wrong key or leave
out a character. When one makes the mental
error of imagining that the white King sits on the
d1 square, that is /something else/ entirely.

One is reminded of the famous article by Mr.
Winter, in which he lampooned poor Mr. Evans
for his numerous wrong dates, spelling errors
and erroneous published "facts". In response,
the arrogant, smug Mr. Evans lashed out, by
bleating that his critic imagined himself to be
far more important than he actually was. Not
content with this, Mr. Evans then compounded
his earlier mistakes, by attempting to label one
of his many gaffes as a mere "typo"... and this
of course led to yet another round of his being
schooled like a child, by Mr. Winter.

Anyway, if indeed no pin is even possible, one
wonders what chess position Sanny was or
was not looking at when he "whipped up" that
comment. I was for a moment impressed by
the effort Mr. Kingston expended in constructing
a response which was not merely nasty -- as is
his longstanding habit -- but also /instructive/.
But then came the usual careless error... and
its invariable follow-up of Kingstonian twisting
and denial; substituting king for queen becomes
a mere "typo", to shield the delicate ego from
having to confess error... .


-- help bot

On Jul 4, 7:55*pm, help bot wrote:
On Jul 4, 6:39*pm, Taylor Kingston
wrote:

*Correcting a typo in the above: after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 the
bishop pins the knight which shields the queen.

* An understandable error... .

* In my most recent forray back into "active" play,
not one but *two* of my opponents tried to make
illegal moves in the same event.

* In one case, I had cut off the enemy from soon
castling King-side, by sweeping across the dark
squares from c5 to f8, first with my Bishop, and
then later with my Queen. * This didn't stop him
from /trying/, though!

* In another game, I had just forked my opponent's
King and unprotected Knight on a5 by playing Q-
a4+, to which he tried to respond p-b6, saving the
Knight!

* At the start of one game, we had both just sat
down at the board -- someone else's board -- to
play, and I immediately realized that something
was amiss; my opponent, however, did not see
any problem and was ready-Freddie to play the
position in front of him. * Apparently, the previous
occupants of this board had reset the black
Queen on e8, the black King on d8, a reversal
(for those who are not certain why this might be
significant).

* Indeed, after 1. e4 e5, *2. Nf3 d6, *3. d4 Bg4, it
is not the King, but the Queen which sits on the
pinning line of attack g4-d1; but no, this is not a
typo. * * A typo, or typographical error, is what
happens when you hit the wrong key or leave
out a character. * When one makes the mental
error of imagining that the white King sits on the
d1 square, that is /something else/ entirely.

* One is reminded of the famous article by Mr.
Winter, in which he lampooned poor Mr. Evans
for his numerous wrong dates, spelling errors
and erroneous published "facts". * In response,
the arrogant, smug Mr. Evans lashed out, by
bleating that his critic imagined himself to be
far more important than he actually was. *Not
content with this, Mr. Evans then compounded
his earlier mistakes, by attempting to label one
of his many gaffes as a mere "typo"... and this
of course led to yet another round of his being
schooled like a child, by Mr. Winter.

* Anyway, if indeed no pin is even possible, one
wonders what chess position Sanny was or
was not looking at when he "whipped up" that
comment. * I was for a moment impressed by
the effort Mr. Kingston expended in constructing
a response which was not merely nasty -- as is
his longstanding habit -- but also /instructive/.
But then came the usual careless error... and
its invariable follow-up of Kingstonian twisting
and denial; substituting king for queen becomes
a mere "typo", to shield the delicate ego from
having to confess error... .

Sheesh, and Greg says *_I'm_* pedantic. In any event, I am quite
willing to acknowledge my errors, and even correct them on my own
initiative without any prompting, as I did here. This is something
help-bot never does, even when his errors are far more egregious and
he faces ample peer pressure and factual evidence.

On Jul 4, 11:18*am, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is *A-6 to C-5 knight ..

GetClub played Rook to d6. R-d6

This move was played by thinking for 80 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3 Nc5
19. Rd6

GetClub is at advantage of 1.7 points

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Ivans move is A-8 to D-8 Rook...

Glad GC did not move rook to C-7 , it could have gone up another pawn...

GC + I.2

I need to study this position too , i think GC can still go up a pawn
but will it give up the rook to do it ? I need to look this over ...A
very complicated game..Far from being over

In article , SAT W-7
writes
Ivans move is A-8 to D-8 Rook...

Glad GC did not move rook to C-7 , it could have gone up another pawn...

GC + I.2

I need to study this position too , i think GC can still go up a pawn
but will it give up the rook to do it ? I need to look this over ...A
very complicated game..Far from being over

The isolated pawn on c6 is a definite target for White, but probably the
GetClub 19.Rd6 was the better move in fact

If 19.Rc7 Black could play Ne6 and now GetClub can't really play 20.Nxc6
as it loses the exchange, as does 20.Rxc6, so best is to move away with
20.Rb7. Then after Nc5 White doesn't want to go back with Rd7 repeating
the position, as White is on top and wants to play for a win. So better
is to run away with 21.Rb4 and then if Black plays Rac8 the c-pawn is
more secure and Black has reduced White's advantage
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On Jul 7, 12:34*pm, (SAT W-7) wrote:
Ivans move is *A-8 to D-8 Rook...

GetClub took your Rook Rxd8

Ivans Forced move Rxd8

Then GetClub Played rook to d1. R-d1

This move was played by thinking for 90 sec by Easy Level.

Easy[40 sec / move] - IVAN [80 sec/ move]

1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 cxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Nc5 e5
6. Nxb7 Qxd4
7. Qxd4 exd4
8. Nf3 Bc8
9. Na5 Bb4+
10. Bd2 Bxd2
11. Nxd2 Bf5
12. 0-0-0 Ne7
13. Nd2-b3 0-0
14. Nxd4 Bg4
15. Be2 Bxe2
16. Nxe2 Na6
17. Rd7 Rfe8
18. Nc3 Nc5
19. Rd6 Rad8
20. RxR RxR
21. R-d1

GetClub is at advantage of 1.37 points

Glad GC did not move rook to C-7 , it could have gone up another pawn...

GC + I.2

I need to study this position too , i think GC can still go up a pawn
but will it give up the rook to do it ? *I *need to look this over ....A
very complicated game..Far from being over

Now The rook got exchanged and the position is simple. End game is
comming and IVAN will have the upper hand. Lets see if GetClub can
take advantage of its 1 extra pawn or not.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

OK i am with you on those moves ..

Ivans move is D-8 x D- I rook.......Rook takes Rook , check...........
GC + I.3

Yes can GC win with a pawn advantage ?

Pawns and Knight end game , very complicated and interesting to me..