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Suggestion: 4-game (Go, Shogi, Chinese Chess and International Chess) Combined Tournament



 
 
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Old July 12th 03, 02:58 PM
David J Bush
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Default Suggestion: 4-game (Go, Shogi, Chinese Chess and International Chess) Combined Tournament

"David Goh" wrote in message ...
"David J Bush" wrote in message
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The "Shogi club 24" server is free outside Japan:
http://www.shogidojo.com/eng/engindex.htm

Shogi is also on the Yahoo server. Sorry, I don't have a URL for that.


The URL for Yahoo games is:
http://games.yahoo.com/

They ONLY have Go and International Chess (under "Board Games"), but they
don't have Chinese Chess and Japanese Chess (Shogi).


Actually, Yahoo USA does have a shogi page, which you need to be registered
to access:

http://games.yahoo.com/games/login2?page=shg

For some strange reason, they provide no link to shogi from the main page.
As a result, hardly anyone goes there.

How do you send suggestions to them to include these 2 games there ?
Or are there any Yahoo people here reading this ?


Yahoo has a link for "comments" at the bottom of most of their pages.

If they have all these 4 games (Go, Shogi, Chinese Chess and International
Chess),
then next time you can even hold "4-game" combined tournaments whereby each
player has to play all 4 games with each opponent. That would be interesting !


Interesting to whom? Throw some money at it, that would make it interesting
to many.

Because these 4 are the most complicated and popular board games whereby
computer programs are still behind the strongest human players (except for
International Chess). Other intellectual games are either already "solved"
(like
Connect4 and Gomoku) or already dominated by computer programs
(like Othello/Reversi). I'm not quite sure of Renju ...


Other games are solved or dominated? How many abstract games do you know
about? Are unpopular games not worth consideration? Why not? So many
great abstracts out the Amazons, Batalo, Dvonn, Focus, Gipf, Hex,
Lines of Action, Octi, Philosopher's Football, Ploy, Torres, Trax, Twixt,
Universe, and of course the immortal classic "Devil Bunny Hates the
Earth" http://www.boardgamegeek.com/viewitem.php3?gameid=1817

Regarding Renju, István Virág, who has written computer programs to
solve "Free Renju" (Renju without the opening protocol, but with
the usual prohibitions on certain moves by Black during the game),
told me he expects Renju will be solved in a few more years.

David
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Old July 13th 03, 06:52 PM
james
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Default Suggestion: 4-game (Go, Shogi, Chinese Chess and International Chess) Combined Tournament

Other games are solved or dominated? How many abstract games do you know
about? Are unpopular games not worth consideration? Why not? So many
great abstracts out the Amazons, Batalo, Dvonn, Focus, Gipf, Hex,
Lines of Action, Octi, Philosopher's Football, Ploy, Torres, Trax, Twixt,
Universe, and of course the immortal classic "Devil Bunny Hates the
Earth" http://www.boardgamegeek.com/viewitem.php3?gameid=1817

For programming,

I think there is a clear advantage of a game if the game has a large human
player base and human knowledge of game playing related to it. Games such
as Octi do not worth programming because they are about the same as other
existing games played by the human, and not enough human intelligence
associated with it. AI means mimicing human intelligence.

It is extremely easy to build a computer game that computer always beats
human. So such efforts are not interesting (any more).

james


 




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