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Old July 17th 03, 08:57 AM
Jerzy
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"Yanks Gerber" wrote in message
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Edward and Emmanuel?

Surely this is the same person?


No


I mean, wasn't edward just short name for Emmanuel ?

I don't understand this..


They were different players.
Check it up in the Ency or google it.

Regards,

Jerzy


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Old July 17th 03, 01:32 PM
John Lamont
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They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best of all time,
Edward was probably a strong IM in strength..
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Old July 17th 03, 02:01 PM
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"John Lamont" wrote in message
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They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best of all time,
Edward was probably a strong IM in strength..


And they both played in New York in 1924 the famous game with fantastic
ending :

[Site "New York"]
[Date "1924"]
[White "Lasker, Emanuel"]
[Black "Lasker, Edward"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8.
c3
d6 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bd7 14. Nf1 Rfc8
15.
Re2 Nh5 16. dxe5 dxe5 17. Nxe5 Bxh3 18. Nxf7 Be6 19. Ng5 Bc4 20. Bd3 Rd8 21.
Rc2 Nf4 22. Bxf4 Qxf4 23. Nh3 Qe5 24. Bxc4+ Nxc4 25. Qe2 Rd4 26. f3 Rad8 27.
Rac1 Bc5 28. Kh1 Bb4 29. b3 Nd2 30. Ne3 Ba3 31. Rd1 Bb4 32. a3 Ba5 33. b4
Bc7
34. f4 Nxe4 35. Kh2 Rxd1 36. Nxd1 Qe7 37. Rxc7 Qxc7 38. Qxe4 Qc4 39. Qe7 Qc8
40. Ndf2 h6 41. Qa7 Qe6 42. Qb7 Qd5 43. Qb6 Rd6 44. Qe3 Re6 45. Qc3 Qc4 46.
Qf3
Qc6 47. Qd3 Rd6 48. Qb3+ Qd5 49. Qb1 Re6 50. Ng4 Re2 51. Nxh6+ gxh6 52. Qg6+
Kf8 53. Qxh6+ Ke8 54. Qg6+ Kd8 55. Qg3 Re8 56. Qf2 Rg8 57. Qb2 Qd6 58. Qc3
Kd7
59. Qf3 Kc7 60. Qe4 Rg7 61. Qf5 Re7 62. Ng5 Re3 63. Ne4 Qe7 64. Nf6 Kb8 65.
g3
Rxa3 66. Kh3 Ra1 67. Nd5 Rh1+ 68. Kg2 Qh7 69. Qxh7 Rxh7 70. Kf3 Kb7 71. g4
Kc6
72. Ke4 Rh8 73. Ne3 Re8+ 74. Kd4 Rd8+ 75. Ke4 a5 76. bxa5 b4 77. a6 Kc5 78.
a7
b3 79. Nd1 Ra8 80. g5 Rxa7 81. g6 Rd7 82. Nb2 Rd2 83. Kf3 Rd8 84. Ke4 Rd2
85.
Kf3 Rd8 86. Ke4 Kd6 87. Kd4 Rc8 88. g7 Ke6 89. g8=Q+ Rxg8 90. Kc4 Rg3 91.
Na4
Kf5 92. Kb4 Kxf4 93. Nb2 Ke4 94. Na4 Kd4 95. Nb2 Rf3 96. Na4 Re3 97. Nb2 Ke4
98. Na4 Kf3 99. Ka3 Ke4 100. Kb4 Kd4 101. Nb2 Rh3 102. Na4 Kd3 103. Kxb3
Kd4+
1/2-1/2


Regards,

Jerzy


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Old July 17th 03, 07:58 PM
Southpaw
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Well, I still don't believe it. Did anyone actually see them both at the
board at the same time?


"Jerzy" wrote in message
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"John Lamont" wrote in message
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They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best of all time,
Edward was probably a strong IM in strength..


And they both played in New York in 1924 the famous game with fantastic
ending :

[Site "New York"]
[Date "1924"]
[White "Lasker, Emanuel"]
[Black "Lasker, Edward"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O

8.
c3
d6 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bd7 14. Nf1 Rfc8
15.
Re2 Nh5 16. dxe5 dxe5 17. Nxe5 Bxh3 18. Nxf7 Be6 19. Ng5 Bc4 20. Bd3 Rd8

21.
Rc2 Nf4 22. Bxf4 Qxf4 23. Nh3 Qe5 24. Bxc4+ Nxc4 25. Qe2 Rd4 26. f3 Rad8

27.
Rac1 Bc5 28. Kh1 Bb4 29. b3 Nd2 30. Ne3 Ba3 31. Rd1 Bb4 32. a3 Ba5 33. b4
Bc7
34. f4 Nxe4 35. Kh2 Rxd1 36. Nxd1 Qe7 37. Rxc7 Qxc7 38. Qxe4 Qc4 39. Qe7

Qc8
40. Ndf2 h6 41. Qa7 Qe6 42. Qb7 Qd5 43. Qb6 Rd6 44. Qe3 Re6 45. Qc3 Qc4

46.
Qf3
Qc6 47. Qd3 Rd6 48. Qb3+ Qd5 49. Qb1 Re6 50. Ng4 Re2 51. Nxh6+ gxh6 52.

Qg6+
Kf8 53. Qxh6+ Ke8 54. Qg6+ Kd8 55. Qg3 Re8 56. Qf2 Rg8 57. Qb2 Qd6 58. Qc3
Kd7
59. Qf3 Kc7 60. Qe4 Rg7 61. Qf5 Re7 62. Ng5 Re3 63. Ne4 Qe7 64. Nf6 Kb8

65.
g3
Rxa3 66. Kh3 Ra1 67. Nd5 Rh1+ 68. Kg2 Qh7 69. Qxh7 Rxh7 70. Kf3 Kb7 71. g4
Kc6
72. Ke4 Rh8 73. Ne3 Re8+ 74. Kd4 Rd8+ 75. Ke4 a5 76. bxa5 b4 77. a6 Kc5

78.
a7
b3 79. Nd1 Ra8 80. g5 Rxa7 81. g6 Rd7 82. Nb2 Rd2 83. Kf3 Rd8 84. Ke4 Rd2
85.
Kf3 Rd8 86. Ke4 Kd6 87. Kd4 Rc8 88. g7 Ke6 89. g8=Q+ Rxg8 90. Kc4 Rg3 91.
Na4
Kf5 92. Kb4 Kxf4 93. Nb2 Ke4 94. Na4 Kd4 95. Nb2 Rf3 96. Na4 Re3 97. Nb2

Ke4
98. Na4 Kf3 99. Ka3 Ke4 100. Kb4 Kd4 101. Nb2 Rh3 102. Na4 Kd3 103. Kxb3
Kd4+
1/2-1/2


Regards,

Jerzy




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Old July 17th 03, 10:08 PM
Jerzy
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"Southpaw" wrote in message
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Well, I still don't believe it. Did anyone actually see them both at the
board at the same time?


Do you believe there are still eye-witnesses of the game ?

;-)

Regards,

Jerzy


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Old July 17th 03, 10:23 PM
D.A.H. Kruyt
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Probably they were not related.
Edward wrote a book called "The adventure of chess".
In chapter 4 he writes about Emanuel:

CHAPTER IV

Reminiscences of the Great Masters of Our Era

EMANUEL LASKER, MATHEMATICIAN AND PHILOSOPHER

From the viewpoint of the chess historian, I was very fortunate in
that the accident of my birth made me a contemporary of the three world
champions who dominated the chess scene in the first four decades of this
century. They were the German, Dr. Emanuel Lasker; the Cuban, Jose Raul
Capa-blanca; and the Russian, Alexander Alexandrovich Alekhine. I became
intimately acquainted with all three of them, as opponents across the
chessboard and as human beings.
Emanuel Lasker had won the world title by defeating Steinitz in 1894 in
New York. After fourteen years of residence in the United States he returned
to his native country to marry the sweetheart of his college days. I had
been looking forward with awe and excitement to meeting him. I was a young
student in Berlin at the time, and Lasker, naturally,was my hero. My father
had shown me the game of chess when I was a boy of six, just because he had
read reports of the great chess victories of our namesake abroad, and I had,
of course, resolved to become a chess champion too. I had not been able to
establish a family relationship, but after making Lasker's acquaintance I
found that, quite apart from chess, there were many other interests which
bound us together more strongly than family ties. As a matter of fact, on
the many occasions when we met, in thirty-three years of unbroken
friendship, he very rarely talked about chess. When he did do so, I always
learned a great deal. No matter what subject he discussed, he brought to it
an interesting, original point of view.
By training he was a mathematician.

Dik


"John Lamont" schreef in bericht
om...
They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best of all time,
Edward was probably a strong IM in strength..



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Old July 17th 03, 10:42 PM
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Anybody see Bush and Sadam together at the same time?
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Old July 18th 03, 03:55 AM
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"D.A.H. Kruyt" wrote in message ...
Probably they were not related.
Edward wrote a book called "The adventure of chess".
In chapter 4 he writes about Emanuel:

CHAPTER IV
Reminiscences of the Great Masters of Our Era
EMANUEL LASKER, MATHEMATICIAN AND PHILOSOPHER
...
I had not been able to establish a family relationship, but after making
Lasker's acquaintance I found that, quite apart from chess, there were many
other interests which bound us together more strongly than family ties. As a
matter of fact, on the many occasions when we met, in thirty-three years of
unbroken friendship, he very rarely talked about chess....


"John Lamont" schreef in bericht
om...
They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best of all time,
Edward was probably a strong IM in strength.


As far as I can recall reading, Emanuel Lasker and Edward Lasker were very
distant (seventh?) cousins, but apparently they were unaware of their kinship
during the long period of their friendship.

--Nick
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Old July 18th 03, 08:12 AM
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John Lamont wrote (17 Jul 2003 04:32:42 -0700):

They were cousins, Emmanuel was of course among the best
of all time, Edward was probably a strong IM in strength..


_
After the death of Emanuel, Edward Lasker claimed that it
had been discovered that they were related. Some people
were skeptical. I do not think that Edward Lasker ever
produced details about the relationship.



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Old July 18th 03, 08:52 AM
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D.A.H. Kruyt wrote (Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:23:22 +0200):

Probably they were not related.
Edward wrote a book called "The adventure of chess".
In chapter 4 he writes about Emanuel:

I had not been able to establish a family relationship, but after
making Lasker's acquaintance I found that, quite apart from
chess, there were many other interests which bound us
together more strongly than family ties.


_
In one of his books, Edward Lasker did claim that a family
relationship was eventually discovered. This claim was
made after the death of Emanuel and I do not believe that
Edward Lasker gave details about the relationship. Some
were skeptical.


 




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