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I would like to know what stronger players think is a good book (or small
set of books) to build a solid foundation for playing chess. Most people want a quick fix, but I am asking for a book (or books) that when studied, will give a player a solid foundation for moving on to become a strong player. I am not exactly sure if this is a good example, but the Inner Game of Chess comes to mind. It seems like it teaches a method to play chess which will be applicable to any situation on the board. You still have to fill in some of the details such as gaining knowledge, becoming tactically sound, and so on, but the overall system seems like it would give one a solid foundation to build upon. An example of what I am trying to avoid is this. People say that you should start with tactics because they are the most important, and they are a good foundation. I think that what happens is that people (mostly beginners and weaker players, which is most of us) get wrapped up in tactics and their "chess growth" is stunted. They spend all of their time looking for cheap tactics and never progress as a player. A book like the Inner Game of Chess would teach you that tactics are not the end, but one of the many means to the real end. I am currently picturing chess ability as a tree. I am looking for the roots and trunk of the tree (the solid part). The branches are things that you fill in later, like tactics, endgame, opening, pawn structure, and so on. If someone learns tactics first, they're left with one branch and have no direction, and they never get any better. I appreciate your thoughts and comments. |
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In article 2v3Ua.124034$OZ2.25055@rwcrnsc54,
"Russell Reagan" wrote: An example of what I am trying to avoid is this. People say that you should start with tactics because they are the most important, and they are a good foundation. I think that what happens is that people (mostly beginners and weaker players, which is most of us) get wrapped up in tactics and their "chess growth" is stunted. They spend all of their time looking for cheap tactics and never progress as a player. A book like the Inner Game of Chess would teach you that tactics are not the end, but one of the many means to the real end. I wasn't crazy about the inner game of chess. The thing is that while I think is good to formalize your process, it really doesn't matter what your process is if you can't instantly see a three-move combination. Tactics ARE the foundation of chess. Without a sound grounding in them, nothing else matters. |
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Reassess your chess by Silman is as good as any other, but 90% of your
real improvement will be by tactics and studying master games.. |
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Reassess your chess by Silman is as good as any other, but 90% of your
real improvement will be by tactics and studying master games.. |
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I love tactics but I don't not convinced about them being a good foundation.
For my grade , I am good at tactics but I always envied the people who could play proper 'grown up' chess ie positional chess. Manys the time in a congress (ok ok, once or twice) where I have won in 15 moves because my opponent went wrong in a sharp Giocco piano. I then used to go an watch the 'real' players work diligently towards getting a piece to a strong outpost, or to cramp the opponent's position and crush any chance of counterplay, or deciding when to swap off, when to keep the pieces on, when to give up a bishop for a knight or a rook for a bishop etc etc. I think your tactical ability has to rest on your positional ability. Positional ability gets you there, tactics finish it off. With just tactics you are just a wildcat, a cheapo merchant, a coffee house player, a card sharp with a few aces hidden up your sleeve. With only positional play you get to a won position but lack the imagination to turn a promising position into a win. You need both. Postional play makes tactics easier, once you have used positional play to get your opponent into all sorts of trouble, then its easier to finally nail him with tactics. For instance we've all seen master games where some great master piles on the pressure for move after move after move then suddenly its a sacrifice and a mate! So maybe there is no 'foundation' apart from making sure you work on both aspects of your game, postional and tactics, two side of the chess coin in my opinion - inseperable. If you enjoy tactics, bring your positional play up to speed, then more vistas of tactical opportunity will open up for you! "Russell Reagan" wrote in message news:2v3Ua.124034$OZ2.25055@rwcrnsc54... I would like to know what stronger players think is a good book (or small set of books) to build a solid foundation for playing chess. Most people want a quick fix, but I am asking for a book (or books) that when studied, will give a player a solid foundation for moving on to become a strong player. I am not exactly sure if this is a good example, but the Inner Game of Chess comes to mind. It seems like it teaches a method to play chess which will be applicable to any situation on the board. You still have to fill in some of the details such as gaining knowledge, becoming tactically sound, and so on, but the overall system seems like it would give one a solid foundation to build upon. An example of what I am trying to avoid is this. People say that you should start with tactics because they are the most important, and they are a good foundation. I think that what happens is that people (mostly beginners and weaker players, which is most of us) get wrapped up in tactics and their "chess growth" is stunted. They spend all of their time looking for cheap tactics and never progress as a player. A book like the Inner Game of Chess would teach you that tactics are not the end, but one of the many means to the real end. I am currently picturing chess ability as a tree. I am looking for the roots and trunk of the tree (the solid part). The branches are things that you fill in later, like tactics, endgame, opening, pawn structure, and so on. If someone learns tactics first, they're left with one branch and have no direction, and they never get any better. I appreciate your thoughts and comments. |
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It just seems common sense to me to work on all aspects of your game.
Surely working on positional chess and tactics is better than working on just tactics? If you love the game, you want to delve deeper into its mysteries, and I think you will naturally want to look at all aspects of the game. I think the two are interrelated, its like walking, take a step forward with your left (positional) foot and you move forward and it enables you to go even further with your right (tactical) foot, which then means you need to move forward with your left foot again. I remember one of my early attempts to play positionally... I was trying to get a knight into a strong outpost in the centre for about 20 moves but my opponent stopped all my attempts, so I set up a two move cheapo (rook to d1 so when we swap off in the centre he can't recapture or its rook takes queen). He fell for this two move cheapo so and not only did I get my knight to the outpost, but I won a pawn into the bargain. LOL So this is one example of tactics getting me a postional advantage as you say can happen but I think postional play is more likely to get you a postional advantage. "Ron" wrote in message ... In article , "Neil Coward" wrote: I think your tactical ability has to rest on your positional ability. Positional ability gets you there, tactics finish it off. With just tactics you are just a wildcat, a cheapo merchant, a coffee house player, a card sharp with a few aces hidden up your sleeve. For instance we've all seen master games where some great master piles on the pressure for move after move after move then suddenly its a sacrifice and a mate! I don't know. In my opinion, not only are strong tactics required to finish off a positional advantage, but they're often how you get them. You find ways to threaten things, which your opponent has to make positional concessions to meet. Opponent's don't just give you a positional advantage. Dan Heisman has a column at Chesscafe about testing your tactical skill, with an emphasis on seeing things quickly. It was an eye-opener for me and I suspect it will be for a lot of players. |
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Neil Coward wrote:
It just seems common sense to me to work on all aspects of your game. Surely working on positional chess and tactics is better than working on just tactics? Actually, if you don't have a sufficient tactical basis, you *can't* work on positional chess. You might think you are doing that but all you will really be doing is wasting your time. Positional understanding comes out of tactical understanding. What you are advising is like trying to build a house without a foundation. It might look superficially attractive, but just wait until the first good big storm! |
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For what it's worth, I think all this talk of "should I study tactics, or
strategy, or openings. or....." is just wrong. I can't see that splitting chess into all these different components is the right way to go about it - after the basics, I think you should study Chess as a whole. To get back to the original question, I now think Wolff's Idiot's Guide.. is the best first chess book, and will provide a solid foundation. After that, I think the majority of experts agree studying master games is best. I think if you study games annotated specifically for study purposes - Logical Chess, Road To Chess Mastery, Nunn's Understanding Chess, trying to work out the moves as you go along, you are studying tactics, strategy, openings, endings - in other words you're studying chess. |
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In article ,
"Neil Coward" wrote: So this is one example of tactics getting me a postional advantage as you say can happen but I think postional play is more likely to get you a postional advantage. When you play extremely weak opposition, your opponents will sometimes give themselves positional problems free-- without you forcing them to. Beyond that, you get the positional advantages you earn. |
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Ok, here's the secret: tactics, position, endgame, and opening are
not seperate entities. They flow seamlessly, and any divisions are artificial. Capablanca said that all of chess stems from an understanding of the endgame. After all, the opening game is merely a tool to get to a beneficial middlegame, and the middlegame is only a tool to either checkmate your opponent, or get to a favorable endgame. So too with tactics and position. Position is about creating tactics. After all, what value is there to having your knight occupy a beautiful post in the center of the board? It is valuable, because of the tactical posibilities it presents. And vice versa. A tough opponent won't allow you to gain a great post for your knight for free. It'll take a tactical combination to force him to give up that key square. So to answer your question about what to study - study each aspect of the game independently, and constantly think about how they tie together. Study the Sicilian opening, and think about its positional strengths and weaknesses. Think about the tactical opportunities it presents. Think about the kind of endgames it produces, and how to make those endgames in your favor. |
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