This was a major tournament (even Morphy was entered, but he withdrew)
won by Loewenthal and including such players as Staunton and Saint
Amant; it was a much watched tournament at the time. Surprisingly, the
results given in standard sources seem to be incorrect. I was
surprised to find in the book of the 1862 tournament that, for
example, the match Falkbeer-Ingleby was given as 2-0-3 rather than the
2-0 given in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games and the old
Schach-Datenbank site (which doesn't seem to have the results it used
to have stored; what happened to this?). I also have conflicting
results on the matches Owen-Salmon, Falkbeer-Brien,
Loewenthal-Falkbeer, and some I was not able to check. Unfortunately,
the copy of the 1862 book was in such bad condition that I was not
allowed to even copy it, and had to give it back before I could read
it at leisure.

Does anyone have the results for this? Thanks (likely to Anderss) in
advance.

And as I mentioned in another post, any information on the 8 player
minor tournament won by Boden which was played at the same time would
be appreciated.

Jerry Spinrad

Subject: Correct Results for Birmingham 1858

On 7 August 2003 (Jerry Spinrad) wrote in
Message-id:

This was a major tournament (even Morphy was entered, but he withdrew)
won by Loewenthal and including such players as Staunton and Saint
Amant; it was a much watched tournament at the time. Surprisingly, the
results given in standard sources seem to be incorrect.

-snip-

Does anyone have the results for this? Thanks (likely to Anderss) in
advance.

-snip-

Jerry Spinrad


I am wondering whether the (correct) results you are looking for are to be
found in "English Tournaments 1857-1866," compiled by the late Ken Whyld and
published in a softback edition earlier this year. The book claims to have
results and all available games from three British Chess Association
tournaments, including Birmingham 1858 won by Loewenthal.

George Mirijanian

Jerry Spinrad wrote:

results given in standard sources seem to be incorrect. I was
surprised to find in the book of the 1862 tournament that, for
example, the match Falkbeer-Ingleby was given as 2-0-3 rather than the
2-0 given in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games

One possibility is that they don't report the same thing. I assume
draws were not counted, in which case games played and games scored
would be differnet.

A similar case occurs in old tournaments where someone dropped out
after, say, half the game, and his games are dropped, instead of being
defaulted. You can then find scores from that tournament that can't
be found in the crosstable. Not until a detailed report is examined
is the seeming discrepancy explained.


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