Dear chess friends,
I'm looking for burial locations of chessmasters.
(See http://www.androom.com/dead/chess_kerepesi.htm for a few pictures of
the graves of some Hungarian players)

I'm looking for
- name
- place (city, village)
- name of cemetery
- if available a more exact location of the tomb
- source

I'm mostly interested in European locations.
If you have any interesting information to share, please mail me at

I hope I'll be able to share more information on my Website in the future.

Best to you all,
Hans Noordam.

Dear Jerome (please call me Hans),
I do not know of such a society, for me it's just a personal interest.

I know Lasker is at Beth El, Queens, Long Island and Steiner is at Evergreen
Cemetery, Brooklyn.
(A bit too far away for me to visit, since I live in Europe. Maybe someday)
For now I'm just collecting locations and when I happen to visit cities
where I can visit a grave I just do that and I take pictures that one day
should end up at my website www.androom.com.

Best regards, Hans Noordam.


"Jerome Bibuld" schreef in bericht
...
Dear Mr. Noordam,

Heil Dubya!

How very interesting. IM Bozidar Kazic, who became a dear friend in the
1970s
and 1980s, once asked me if I could locate the graves of Emmanuel Lasker
and
William (nee Wilhelm) Steinitz. (I write "nee Wilhelm", because I was
surprised to see that his gravestone was inscribed William, rather than
Wilhelm.) I did, in a Brooklyn, NY, cemetary, and sent him photographs of
them
both, for which he was very thankful.

I have not gone into the matter, but think that there is a confraternity
of
persons interested in the gravesites of famous persons. Mr. Noordam, is
there
an organization of of chess persons interested in gravesites of chess
masters
or are you and IM Kazic unique?

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

ospam (Jerome Bibuld) wrote in message ...
How very interesting. IM Bozidar Kazic, who became a dear friend in the 1970s
and 1980s, once asked me if I could locate the graves of Emmanuel Lasker and
William (nee Wilhelm) Steinitz. (I write "nee Wilhelm", because I was
surprised to see that his gravestone was inscribed William, rather than
Wilhelm.) I did, in a Brooklyn, NY, cemetary, and sent him photographs of
them both, for which he was very thankful.

Dear Mr. Bibuld,

You might be interested in knowing this assessment by a non-chess writer
(which I don't take too seriously):

In "The Jewish 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Jews of All Time",
Michael Shapiro lists Wilhelm Steinitz at 80th (between Henry Kissinger
at 79 and Arthur Miller at 81), the only chess player named in the book.

--Nick

As a student I lived in Paris near Montparnasse Cemetery. Alekhine¹s
tomb was there. I remember it being in pink granite and the lighting
was bad so I could never get a good photo of the inscription * it was
always in deep shadow. I believe his wife, né Grace Wishart (?), was
there too. It was dedicated in 1956 and I guess rehabilitation was
complete because there was also The Alekhine Memorial Tournament in
Moscow. Several Soviet chessplayers were at the dedication in Paris.
In 1999 there was damage to the grave, it is easy enough to use
google to find the picture. I have heard that Polugaevsky is buried in
Montparnasse as well.
chiffres

(Nick) wrote in message . com...
You might be interested in knowing this assessment by a non-chess writer
(which I don't take too seriously):

In "The Jewish 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Jews of All Time",
Michael Shapiro lists Wilhelm Steinitz at 80th (between Henry Kissinger
at 79 and Arthur Miller at 81), the only chess player named in the book.

To be more precise, Wilhelm Steinitz was "the only (professional) chess player
named in the book".

Other chess players mentioned include Karl Marx (7) and Leon Trotsky (35).
Julius Rosenwald (59) took an interest in chess and particularly in the
education of the young Samuel Reshevsky.

--Nick

Subject: Grandmasters tombs: locations?

On 10 August 2003 "Hans Noordam" wrote in
Message-id:

Dear chess friends,
I'm looking for burial locations of chessmasters.
(See http://www.androom.com/dead/chess_kerepesi.htm for a few pictures of
the graves of some Hungarian players)

I'm looking for
- name
- place (city, village)
- name of cemetery
- if available a more exact location of the tomb
- source

-snip-

Hans Noordam.


For the record, here's what is available on the "Hero of Hastings":

Name: Harry Nelson Pillsbury
Buried in: Reading, Massachusetts, USA
Name of cemetery: Laurel Hill
Exact location: Pillsbury family lot
Source: City of Philadelphia Death Certificate No. 6825


George Mirijanian

Subject: Grandmasters tombs: locations?

On 13 August 2003 "Hans Noordam" wrote to Jerry Bibuld in
Message-id:

-snip-

I know Lasker is at Beth El, Queens, Long Island . . .

-snip-


Hans, if I'm not mistaken, Lasker, i.e. Emanuel Lasker, is buried in Shearith
Israel Cemetery in Glendale, Queens County, New York.


George Mirijanian

Dear George,

Heil Dubya!

When I photographed it, Lasker's grave site -- or what was purported to be his
grave site, by the registrar's office and the grave stone -- was in Brooklyn.
I'm sorry I don't remember the cemetery, but, if my memory serves me here, it
was in a complex of several, among which was Evergreen (Steinitz). I'm sorry,
but I did the work for Kazic about 20 years ago and was interested in it only
for Kazic's sake. I would not stake my life on the borough of Lasker's grave
site, however. If you've done research on it recently, I would accept your
word.

The grave site of Laker was not unusual in the least. As I recall, it was
reasonably cared for, which I noted because it was about 40 years after his
death. I do remember contrasting this to the grave site of Steinitz, which was
difficult to find and appeared uncared for.

The thing that stuck in my mind most about both graves was the stone above that
of Steinitz. It had a chess position engraved on it. I can't remember the
position, but do recall that it was at the start of a great combination that
Steinitz executed against a world class opponent. Once again, my memory is not
secure, but I think the "victim" was von Bardeleben.

Subject: Grandmasters tombs: locations?

On 13 August 2003 "Hans Noordam" wrote to Jerry Bibuld in
Message-id:

-snip-

I know Lasker is at Beth El, Queens, Long Island . . .

-snip-


Hans, if I'm not mistaken, Lasker, i.e. Emanuel Lasker, is buried in Shearith
Israel Cemetery in Glendale, Queens County, New York.


George Mirijanian

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld
gens una sumus

"Miriling" wrote in message
...
Subject: Grandmasters tombs: locations?

On 13 August 2003 "Hans Noordam" wrote to Jerry Bibuld
in
Message-id:

-snip-

I know Lasker is at Beth El, Queens, Long Island . . .

-snip-


Hans, if I'm not mistaken, Lasker, i.e. Emanuel Lasker, is buried in
Shearith
Israel Cemetery in Glendale, Queens County, New York.


George Mirijanian

Those who are interested in the subject could do worse than try
http://www.findagrave.com


--
Ian Burton
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chiffres wrote in message ...
As a student I lived in Paris near Montparnasse Cemetery. Alekhine's tomb
was there. I remember it being in pink granite and the lighting was bad so
I could never get a good photo of the inscription * it was always in deep
shadow. I believe his wife, né Grace Wishart (?), was there too....

"Apres le 15 aout, leve la pierre, la fraicheur est dessous."

In 1934, Alexander Alekhine married his fourth wife, Grace Wishart, a British
widow. (My impression is that 'Wishart' was her married name, not her maiden
name.) Reportedly, their intimacy developed after she had asked him to sign
one of his books at a chess tournament.

"'Oh, if she took the wrong man!' said Mrs. Cadwallader, who was in a
decidedly wicked mood. 'Marriage is always bad then, first or second.
Priority is a poor recommendation in a husband if he has got no other.
I would rather have a good second husband than an indifferent first.'"
--George Eliot (Middlemarch)

--Nick