I'm trying this out on the ICC problem bot, but it's
driving me nuts. Is there a web
site that explains this mate? I can envision the end,
with the aggressor king on the third rank, and the R
in the end zone for the kill, but maneuvering the lone
king into position is tough. (K,B,B vs. K ain't easy
either.)
Tom

"Mhoulsby" -remove- wrote in message
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2EE119B5

Chessville in general is good.

You might do worse than to click on

"Instruction" (to the left of "Downloads" beneath the "C" of "Chessville"

...going through all the beginner, novice, General Instruction and Advice,
etc.
resources in turn.

HTH
Mark
Thanks! I can now do this mate quickly and without much
thought. It's kind of like the Windows "Minesweeper" game
once you understand one or two of the basic ideas. God willing
I'll see this position in a real game:-)
Tom

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2EE119B5

Chessville in general is good.

You might do worse than to click on

"Instruction" (to the left of "Downloads" beneath the "C" of "Chessville"

....going through all the beginner, novice, General Instruction and Advice, etc.
resources in turn.

HTH
Mark

"Mhoulsby" -remove- wrote in message
...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2EE119B5

Chessville in general is good.

You might do worse than to click on

"Instruction" (to the left of "Downloads" beneath the "C" of "Chessville"

...going through all the beginner, novice, General Instruction and Advice,
etc.
resources in turn.

HTH
Mark

I managed to get into the R,K vs. K part, but now I'm having
trouble because it's java infested and my comp has more viruses
than Christina Agiulara. I'm trying the K,B,B vs. K over on ICC,
and what a HEADACHE. There is a strategy in that mate that
I'm just not getting. The closest I came was 8 moves away. Let
me know of any non-java descriptions of getting that king into
a corner if you can:-)
Thanks,
Tom

"Tom E." wrote in message
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z2EE119B5

Chessville in general is good.

You might do worse than to click on

"Instruction" (to the left of "Downloads" beneath the "C" of
"Chessville"

...going through all the beginner, novice, General Instruction and
Advice,
etc.
resources in turn.

HTH
Mark

I managed to get into the R,K vs. K part, but now I'm having
trouble because it's java infested and my comp has more viruses
than Christina Agiulara. I'm trying the K,B,B vs. K over on ICC,
and what a HEADACHE. There is a strategy in that mate that
I'm just not getting. The closest I came was 8 moves away. Let
me know of any non-java descriptions of getting that king into
a corner if you can:-)
Thanks,
Tom

Never mind:-) I discovered the "hints" and "takeback two"
with ICC bots. I don't think that mate can be put into words.
Tom

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:30:10 -0600, "Tom E."
wrote:

I'm trying this out on the ICC problem bot, but it's
driving me nuts. Is there a web
site that explains this mate? I can envision the end,
with the aggressor king on the third rank, and the R
in the end zone for the kill, but maneuvering the lone
king into position is tough. (K,B,B vs. K ain't easy
either.)
Tom



Tom,

Look at was http://www.chathurangam.com/learnchess/, which describes
the method of mating with a king and rook. It uses advice from
Capablanca to decide whether to move the king or rook.

Most basic endgame books also explain how to mate with a king and
rook. Two come to mind: "Basic Chess Endings" by Fine and
"Pandolfini's Endgame Course".

BTW: I found the web link by google searching on "mate" "king" "rook"
"chess".

Mike Ogush

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:30:10 -0600, "Tom E."
wrote:

Tom,

Look at was http://www.chathurangam.com/learnchess/, which describes
the method of mating with a king and rook. It uses advice from
Capablanca to decide whether to move the king or rook.

Most basic endgame books also explain how to mate with a king and
rook. Two come to mind: "Basic Chess Endings" by Fine and
"Pandolfini's Endgame Course".

BTW: I found the web link by google searching on "mate" "king" "rook"
"chess".

Mike Ogush

I've got that mate down pact now. The fundamentals seem to be
using the rook to seal off real estate, and making useless rook
moves on a rank/file to force the king to move to two spaces to
the side of your king. King chases king until they are on the same
rank or file, then the rook gets more real estate. When the king
is at the edge, mate. As for K,B,B, vs. K, I've pulled it off with
one hint. Of course ICC tells you how many moves you are away
and that is a major cheat. You can go from 7 moves to mate to
11 in a single boner move. I can't believe it's called one of the
"basic mates".
Tom

One way to learn this ending is to add a rule for yourself: Never put the
opponent in check, until the final mate.

You'll have to use the double-wall method. For example, with the R on d4
and the opposing K anywhere in the rectangle e5-e8-h5-h8, the opponent is
walled in (to the upper right corner) both horizontally and vertically.
Move the R only when it tightens the wall, i.e. reduces the opponent's
available area. In this case you'd move the R only upward and rightward,
never downward or leftward, and never more than one square at a time -- and
never check the opponent. Whenever your R has no such move, move the K --
keep the R defended -- and wait for the opponent to yield a square.

This may not be most players' method with this ending, but I think it's the
most instructive.

Bill Smythe