(Todd E. Flambers) wrote in message . com...
Lance

Somehow he missed the rest of the dialog from the article of Ralph
Ginzburg:
"Am I correct in surmising that there are quite a number of Jews in
the upper echelons of chess?"

"Yeh, there are too many Jews in chess. They seem to have taken away
the class of the game. They don't seem to dress so nicely, you know.
That's what I don't like."

"You're Jewish, aren't you?"

"Part Jewish. My mother is Jewish."

http://bobbyfischer.net/bobby04.html

Todd,

Jewish chessplayers have been up there in the highest echelons of
chess. They were the world champions for most of the last century.
They were very dominant in international chess. It ‘s very much
impossible to ignore their contributions in the game.

Here's what the book, The Great Jewish Chess Champions, by Meir Z.
Ribalow said:

"The first universally recognized international chess champion,
William Steinitz, was an Austrian Jew. He ruled the chess world for
twenty-eight years, from 1866 to 1894. He was succeeded by Emanuel
Lasker, a German-born American Jew who held the title until 1921.
Thus, these two Jewish champions kept the crown for a total of
fifty-five consecutive years! Later Mikhail Botvinnik, Mikhail Tal,
Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer."

But not everyone can be the champion. It is safe to say that a truly
startling percentage of the leading players of our time have been
Jewish. Since 1936, or from the time that Samuel Reshevsky succeeded
Frank Marshall as American titleholder, most American champions have
been Jews. In the 1938 U.S. Championship Tournament, for instance,
fifteen out of seventeen players were Jewish. Jews won the first ten
positions in the tourney."

There are more names to name, but I only mentioned Fischer's published
heroes and/or friends. Then the Polgars came later as he renewed
acquaintances with them in 1993 and remained friends up to this day.

NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

To even suggest that Fischer hates ALL Jewish people is crazy!

Paparazzis like to distort facts, they always add or delete things in
order to make their articles juicy. Chun and Krabbe are the worst
chess paparazzis of them all. I just hope that they stop!

Lance Smith

On 15 Sep 2003 07:30:30 -0700, (Liam Too) wrote:


NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

A small detail: Ronnie Gross is Roman Catholic. He just happens to
have a name generally thought of as being Jewish.

Sam Sloan

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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On 15 Sep 2003 07:30:30 -0700, (Liam Too) wrote:


NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

A small detail: Ronnie Gross is Roman Catholic. He just happens to
have a name generally thought of as being Jewish.

Sam,
Gross' father was Jewish.

Do you know anything about Ellsworth's religious/ethnic background?

Bob

"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...

NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

Lance,
It was reported in Sports Illustrated in 1985 that Fischer had told Gross
three years earlier that he would never speak to Gross again, and he hadn't.
This was repeated in "The Man Who Knew Fischer," published in Chess Cafe in
2000, with the additional detail that Fischer said, "It turns out that
you're just a dirty Jew after all," with still no contact between the two
over the previous 18 years. Gross was the source of both accounts. Do you
have information that he was making up the story about Fischer's break with
him, or has something new happened since 2000?
Bob

"Robert Musicant" wrote in message
.net...

NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

A small detail: Ronnie Gross is Roman Catholic. He just happens to
have a name generally thought of as being Jewish.

Sam,
Gross' father was Jewish.

Was his mother Jewish?

StanB

Ellsworth is from Swedish origin (Dautov, page 68) but that does mean he isn
't Jewish.

Based on the following image I would go for Fischer as Swedish and Ellsworth
as Jewish.



http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/list/p_1/1_0.htm



But I'm not an expert at all. I even thought Sam Sloan is Jewish. My
apologies if I insulted somebody.



"Robert Musicant" wrote in message
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"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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On 15 Sep 2003 07:30:30 -0700, (Liam Too) wrote:


NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

A small detail: Ronnie Gross is Roman Catholic. He just happens to
have a name generally thought of as being Jewish.

Sam,
Gross' father was Jewish.

Do you know anything about Ellsworth's religious/ethnic background?

Bob

(Todd E. Flambers) wrote in message . com...

If you don't agree with Krabbe and Chun you can also email them and
point out all the inaccuracies you find in their articles, one by one.
It is the most constructive way.

Sure, I will do that. Can you email me their emails?

Thanks, Lance

(Todd E. Flambers) wrote in message . com...
I don't have a need of asking any question from them right now. I know
for sure that Torre is not the source of Krabbe, Chun or others who
have the same story that we discussed.--Lance

Then why are you afraid of asking Torre and learning exactly if the
story is true or false? Torre is a close friend of Fischer and he
certainly knows about it. It is the best way to refute wrong or
distorted information. Are you not interested in knowing the truth
yourself?

Hehehe, afraid?

Really, I already know what's true.

Lance

"StanB" wrote in message
...

"Robert Musicant" wrote in message
.net...

NM Gross and Fischer are still friends and mutually respect each
other.

A small detail: Ronnie Gross is Roman Catholic. He just happens to
have a name generally thought of as being Jewish.

Sam,
Gross' father was Jewish.

Was his mother Jewish?

StanB

Stan,
No.
Bob

On 15 Sep 2003 13:31:06 -0700, (Liam Too) wrote:

(Todd E. Flambers) wrote in message . com...

If you don't agree with Krabbe and Chun you can also email them and
point out all the inaccuracies you find in their articles, one by one.
It is the most constructive way.

Sure, I will do that. Can you email me their emails?

Thanks, Lance

I certainly can, although I will not.

However, I will tell you that I will not give any more information to
Rene Chun nor will I respond to the emails he sends me. I consider him
to be a snake.

Sam Sloan