Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-01 07:52:38 PST):
Is Tim Krabbe a Jew or a US citizen?

I wrote (2003-09-01 11:37:05 PST):
Are Jews and US citizens the only ones who would
disapprove of things like the "execute" quote?


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

This time I'm not going to snip anything because
you just lost the debate point. I was talking
specifically about Tim Krabbe's interest in
Fischer of course.

_
So am I. My suggestion was that part of what
Tim Krabbe has against Fischer is quotes like
the one above. So far, I have not seen any
reason to doubt this idea from Lance Smith.

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-01 07:52:38 PST):
Fischer said the above in anger, in response
to what Ellsworth and others did to him. His
interviews and website were done after
Ellsworth plundered his belongings.

I wrote (2003-09-01 11:37:05 PST):
Didn't the "execute" quote come more than two
and a half years after the Ellsworth incident?


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

Nope, it happened right after the Ellsworth
incident although most of it were not said
publicly.

_
Does Lance Smith deny that
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/ indicates
that the "execute" quote above was made in
2001 and that the Ellsworth incident was
around 1998-1999? If so, which date or dates
does he dispute?


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

Plus, the 'execute' quote are just words
out of anger that never happened.

_
Is Lance Smith telling us that quotes like
the one above should not be disapproved
because they never happened?


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

How about [actions of the US]? That's
more abhorrable than just the words of
Fischer that never happened.

_
Is Lance Smith telling us that quotes like
the one above should not be disapproved
because more abhorrable things have happened?

"Todd E. Flambers" wrote
Does it mean that Zita Rajczanyi lied?

No, certainly not! Zita is also a nice and reliable person. But she is
quoted from an article in magazine. Always remember how journalists want to
write nice articles and distort the facts.



This Ellsworth issue reminds me of the same controversy with Spasski. Timman
witnessed Spasski and Fischer talking about the worldwide Jewish conspiracy
and Spasski agreeing with Fischer. There is also this story where Fischer
sits in the back of a car, together with a very Jewish looking Jewish
grandmaster (Hans Ree thought Goebbels would have been delighted to use him
in his anti-Semitic films) and Fischer fulminating about the world-wide
Jewish conspiracy and the grandmaster saying: "yes Bobby, yes Bobby".
Apparently Fischer wears people down, Jew or non-Jew, to a point they start
agreeing with him. Petra Dautov also describes, almost every page, how very
tired she got from the discussions with Fischer.



By the way it's not completely clear who Fischer considers a Jew. According
to the 12th radio-interview he thinks it's a matter of faith:

... they say right in the in the Encyclopaedia Judaica, the most influential
publication, published I think, in the bandit state of Israel, in about
1970, 18 volumes. They say the definition of a Jew is someone who has the
Jewish faith. THAT'S THEIR OWN DEFINITION. That's the Jewish definition.
Pablo: And you not adhere to that faith? Fischer: Obviously I'm not adhering
to that faith. It's a criminal faith, a criminal philosophy of life.

Hitler, Fischer's hero, had a different opinion.....



When she is right it also might be true that Elsworth bought most
of Fischer's property back at the auction and gave it back to Fischer.

Harry Sneider confirmed that he and his son personally sent most of
Fischer property back to Fischer in 1999.

Yes, you'r right. I read that too somewhere. But where?

Peter van der Hoog

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...

This time, I'm going to snip the ones that have been written
more than once to save space and not be confusing. If you like
to see what's written before, all you have to say is that it's
been written.

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-01 07:52:38 PST):
Is Tim Krabbe a Jew or a US citizen?

I wrote (2003-09-01 11:37:05 PST):
Are Jews and US citizens the only ones who would
disapprove of things like the "execute" quote?


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

This time I'm not going to snip anything because
you just lost the debate point. I was talking
specifically about Tim Krabbe's interest in
Fischer of course.

_
So am I. My suggestion was that part of what
Tim Krabbe has against Fischer is quotes like
the one above. So far, I have not seen any
reason to doubt this idea from Lance Smith.--Dr. Blair

You must be joking Dr. Blair. How can you be sure that that
was the reason of Tim Krabbe to get mad at Fischer, if you
are not him? Everybody in this NG is sure that you are not
Tim Krabbe.

The reason why Krabbe is mad at Fischer is something else that
only both can tell. The 'execute' quote came in 2001 and Krabbe
has been writing things about Fischer before the quote that
cannot be supported by facts.

_
Is Lance Smith telling us that quotes like
the one above should not be disapproved
because they never happened?--Dr. Blair

Rhetorics Dr. Blair are sometimes silly if you are debating
with a knowledgeable person.grin

Of course it happened because Fischer wrote it himself. You
have the right to form an opinion about the quote, and then
like or dislike Fischer.

However, I was not talking about you or anybody else. I was
talking specifically about Tim Krabbe.

Perhaps learn more about Krabbe, then let's talk.

Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):

How about [actions of the US]? That's
more abhorrable than just the words of
Fischer that never happened.

_
Is Lance Smith telling us that quotes like
the one above should not be disapproved
because more abhorrable things have happened?--Dr. Blair

Again Dr. Blair, silly to imply what you wrote above.big grin

See what I wrote above.

Lance Smith

"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message
. ..

snip

Harry Sneider confirmed that he and his son personally sent most of
Fischer property back to Fischer in 1999.

Yes, you'r right. I read that too somewhere. But where?

Peter van der Hoog

Peter,

It's in Rene Chun's Atlantic article.

Bob

"Robert Musicant" wrote in message .net...
Peter,

It's in Rene Chun's Atlantic article.--Bob

Then I can certainly say now that it's not true. Rene Chun and Tim
Krabbe are in cohorts in publishing stories that are damaging to
Fischer.

Lance

Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-01 07:52:38 PST):
Is Tim Krabbe a Jew or a US citizen?

I wrote (2003-09-01 11:37:05 PST):
Are Jews and US citizens the only ones who would
disapprove of things like the "execute" quote?

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-02 07:32:03 PST):
you just lost the debate point. I was talking
specifically about Tim Krabbe's interest in
Fischer of course.

I wrote (2003-09-02 11:30:03 PST):
So am I. My suggestion was that part of what
Tim Krabbe has against Fischer is quotes like
the one above. So far, I have not seen any
reason to doubt this idea


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 14:08:04 PST):

You must be joking Dr. Blair. How can you be
sure that that was the reason of Tim Krabbe
to get mad at Fischer, if you are not him?

_
I did not claim to be sure.


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-02 14:08:04 PST):

The 'execute' quote came in 2001 and Krabbe
has been writing things about Fischer before
the quote ...

_
My suggestion referred to "quotes like" the one
above. Going all the way back to the nineteen
sixties, one can find reports of Fischer making
comments hostile to Jews in general.

(Nick) wrote in message . com...
I know that you keep track of Bobby Fischer's life more closely than
I do.
Yet how can you be certain that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe are in cohorts in
publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer"? I am ready to accept your
contention if you can show me enough evidence to support it.

Nick,

I have an impeccable source who told me that Tim Krabbe and Rene Chun
are basing their stories from a source that they think is reliable.
What they don't know is that their source has been making up stories
just to get even with Fischer.

Of course, I will not be compromising my source's identity.

Lance

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...
_
My suggestion referred to "quotes like" the one
above. Going all the way back to the nineteen
sixties, one can find reports of Fischer making
comments hostile to Jews in general.

I have not seen those quotes from the 60s, but I'm
pretty sure that the quotes now, were precipitated
from the Ellsworth incident.

On the other hand writers, like Krabbe and Chun are
writing stories based on unreliable and untruthful
source. Their source's motives is to get even with
Fischer.

Lance

(Liam Too) wrote in message m...
(Nick) wrote in message . com...
I know that you keep track of Bobby Fischer's life more closely than I do.
Yet how can you be certain that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe are in cohorts in
publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer"? I am ready to accept your
contention if you can show me enough evidence to support it.

I have an impeccable source who told me that Tim Krabbe and Rene Chun
are basing their stories from a source that they think is reliable.
What they don't know is that their source has been making up stories
just to get even with Fischer.

Of course, I will not be compromising my source's identity.
Lance

'A person fond of prying into the secrets of others is not fit
to be trusted.'
--Samuel Richardson (Clarissa)

Lance,

Thanks for writing: I can understand what you mean now.

When you originally wrote that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are
in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer",
your statement evidently implied that Chun and Krabbe have been
working closely together to defame Fischer, instead of simply
having independently accepted some information from the same
allegedly dubious source. I found it hard to believe that Rene
Chun and Tim Krabbe would have been knowingly colluding in a
secret conspiracy against Bobby Fischer since, as far as I know,
Chun and Krabbe might hardly even know each other, if at all.

Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth...
--William Shakespeare (As You Like It)

--Nick

Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-02 14:08:04 PST):
The 'execute' quote came in 2001 and Krabbe
has been writing things about Fischer before
the quote ...

I wrote (2003-09-03 15:25:41 PST):
My suggestion referred to [quotes like] the one
above. Going all the way back to the nineteen
sixties, one can find reports of Fischer making
comments hostile to Jews in general.


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-04 07:11:45 PST):

I have not seen those quotes from the 60s, but I'm
pretty sure that the quotes now, were precipitated
from the Ellsworth incident.


As Lance Smith himself has noted, the "execute"
quote came in 2001. To judge from
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/, the "execute"
quote was more than two years after the Ellsworth
incident, and Fischer's 1992 comments about Jews
were about six years before the Ellsworth incident.