(Louis Blair) wrote in message om...
Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-02 14:08:04 PST):
The 'execute' quote came in 2001 and Krabbe
has been writing things about Fischer before
the quote ...

I wrote (2003-09-03 15:25:41 PST):
My suggestion referred to [quotes like] the one
above. Going all the way back to the nineteen
sixties, one can find reports of Fischer making
comments hostile to Jews in general.


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-04 07:11:45 PST):

I have not seen those quotes from the 60s, but I'm
pretty sure that the quotes now, were precipitated
from the Ellsworth incident.


As Lance Smith himself has noted, the "execute"
quote came in 2001. To judge from
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/, the "execute"
quote was more than two years after the Ellsworth
incident, and Fischer's 1992 comments about Jews
were about six years before the Ellsworth incident.

I cant' stop grinning Dr. Blair.

I was replying on your comment about the 60s but now all
of a sudden injected something about 1992? You can't just
muddy things up.

Remember that you were the one who mentioned the dates first.

I am declaring a win:

Lance Smith = 1
Dr. Blair = 0

(Nick) wrote in message om...
Lance,

Thanks for writing: I can understand what you mean now.

When you originally wrote that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are
in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer",
your statement evidently implied that Chun and Krabbe have been
working closely together to defame Fischer, instead of simply
having independently accepted some information from the same
allegedly dubious source. I found it hard to believe that Rene
Chun and Tim Krabbe would have been knowingly colluding in a
secret conspiracy against Bobby Fischer since, as far as I know,
Chun and Krabbe might hardly even know each other, if at all.

Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth...
--William Shakespeare (As You Like It) --Nick

Exactly Nick!

They might not know each other but their source knows them both.

I am not the kind of person who would cry conspiracy, but really
the article of Chun and Krabbe regarding Fischer came from the
same source.

Lance

"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...
(Nick) wrote in message
om...
Lance,

Thanks for writing: I can understand what you mean now.

When you originally wrote that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are
in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer",
your statement evidently implied that Chun and Krabbe have been
working closely together to defame Fischer, instead of simply
having independently accepted some information from the same
allegedly dubious source. I found it hard to believe that Rene
Chun and Tim Krabbe would have been knowingly colluding in a
secret conspiracy against Bobby Fischer since, as far as I know,
Chun and Krabbe might hardly even know each other, if at all.

Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth...
--William Shakespeare (As You Like It) --Nick

Exactly Nick!

They might not know each other but their source knows them both.

I am not the kind of person who would cry conspiracy, but really
the article of Chun and Krabbe regarding Fischer came from the
same source.

Lance


OK, Lance, just to get this straight: You are not asserting that Rene Chun
and Tim Krabbé are in cahoots or cohorts or whatever? Just independent
purveyors of information from the same erroneous source?

I passed your previous comments onto Mr. Chun and he replied, "Kindly inform
Lance that for the record I've never met, nor have I ever spoken to, Mr.
Krabbe."

And there still remains the question of exactly what is factually incorrect
about what the Messrs Chun and Krabbé have written. Looking forward to
hearing from you on this.

Bob

Come on, Lance, if you want to be left with any credibility, reveal your
mysterious source.


"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...
(Nick) wrote in message
om...
Lance,

Thanks for writing: I can understand what you mean now.

When you originally wrote that "Rene Chun and Tim Krabbe *are
in cohorts* in publishing stories that are damaging to Fischer",
your statement evidently implied that Chun and Krabbe have been
working closely together to defame Fischer, instead of simply
having independently accepted some information from the same
allegedly dubious source. I found it hard to believe that Rene
Chun and Tim Krabbe would have been knowingly colluding in a
secret conspiracy against Bobby Fischer since, as far as I know,
Chun and Krabbe might hardly even know each other, if at all.

Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth...
--William Shakespeare (As You Like It) --Nick

Exactly Nick!

They might not know each other but their source knows them both.

I am not the kind of person who would cry conspiracy, but really
the article of Chun and Krabbe regarding Fischer came from the
same source.

Lance

"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message m...
Come on, Lance, if you want to be left with any credibility, reveal your
mysterious source.

Bob, since you are in communication with Chun, can you ask him if he
saw Justine and Jinky Ong in person?

Peter, since Krabbe is one of your sources sometimes, can you ask him
if he saw the Ongs in person. Krabbe was the very first one to write
about the Ongs.

This is the story that my source said that it was made up by someone
who wanted to get even with Fischer.

Lance

Lance Smith wrote (2003-08-30 17:51:44 PST):
I just wonder what [Tim Krabbe] has against
Fischer?

I wrote (2003-08-31 12:06:28 PST):
Perhaps things like this have something to
do with it.

"... I'm hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario,
where sane people will take over the U. S. now. You know
what I mean? Sane people, military people, yes. They will
imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred
thousand of them at least ..."
- (http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/)

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-02 14:08:04 PST):
The 'execute' quote came in 2001 and Krabbe
has been writing things about Fischer before
the quote ...

I wrote (2003-09-03 15:25:41 PST):
My suggestion referred to [quotes like] the one
above. Going all the way back to the nineteen
sixties, one can find reports of Fischer making
comments hostile to Jews in general.

Lance Smith wrote (2003-09-04 07:11:45 PST):
I have not seen those quotes from the 60s, but I'm
pretty sure that the quotes now, were precipitated
from the Ellsworth incident.

I wrote (2003-09-04 17:13:30 PST):
As Lance Smith himself has noted, the "execute"
quote came in 2001. To judge from
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/, the "execute"
quote was more than two years after the Ellsworth
incident, and Fischer's 1992 comments about Jews
were about six years before the Ellsworth incident.


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-05 09:20:19 PST):

I cant' stop grinning Dr. Blair.

I was replying on your comment about the 60s
but now all of a sudden injected something about
1992?

_
I referred to reports of Fischer comments GOING
ALL THE WAY BACK to the nineteen sixties. Since
Lance Smith said that he had "not seen those
quotes from the 60s", I decided to mention
something else that he might have seen.


Lance Smith now writes (2003-09-05 09:20:19 PST):

You can't just muddy things up.

Remember that you were the one who mentioned
the dates first.

_
I see nothing wrong with mentioning something
in the nineteen sixties, and subsequently
mentioning something in 1992.

"Liam Too" wrote in message
om...
"Peter van der Hoog" wrote in message
m...
Come on, Lance, if you want to be left with any credibility, reveal your
mysterious source.

Bob, since you are in communication with Chun, can you ask him if he
saw Justine and Jinky Ong in person?

Peter, since Krabbe is one of your sources sometimes, can you ask him
if he saw the Ongs in person. Krabbe was the very first one to write
about the Ongs.

This is the story that my source said that it was made up by someone
who wanted to get even with Fischer.

Lance

Lance,
This started out along the lines of your saying that Chun and Krabbe were
deliberately piling up on Fischer, jointly defaming him with knowinly false
information. Now it sounds like you are sliding towards their being
innocent dupes of someone with a personal grudge against Fischer. Exactly
what is your gripe about what they wrote? I hardly think your problem with
them revolves around whether or not Fischer has a daughter.
Bob

I don't know from where Chun learnt about Justine Ong, but Chun got
the information that Fischer's memorabilia was given back to him
from Harrie Sneider, who states that he still is Bobby's physical
trainer and that he still has contact with Fischer. Sneider said that
he and his son personally send it to Fischer. Why should he lie?

"Robert Musicant" wrote in message . net...

Lance,
This started out along the lines of your saying that Chun and Krabbe were
deliberately piling up on Fischer, jointly defaming him with knowinly false
information. Now it sounds like you are sliding towards their being
innocent dupes of someone with a personal grudge against Fischer. Exactly
what is your gripe about what they wrote? I hardly think your problem with
them revolves around whether or not Fischer has a daughter.
Bob

Bob,

Let me clear up the semantics here. I said "in cohorts", meaning "in
it together", because of the same source, without even knowing each
other.

My gripe is that their source made up the story, that's all. Fischer
doesn't like personal stories that is not even true, in addition the
the "Pathetic Endgame" of Chun.

Simple enough?

Lance

(Louis Blair) wrote in message . com...
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I referred to reports of Fischer comments GOING
ALL THE WAY BACK to the nineteen sixties. Since
Lance Smith said that he had "not seen those
quotes from the 60s", I decided to mention
something else that he might have seen.

_
I see nothing wrong with mentioning something
in the nineteen sixties, and subsequently
mentioning something in 1992.

There's nothing wrong at all Dr. Blair.

Someone emailed me this:

"Yeah, there are too many Jews in chess," Fischer told an interviewer
in 1962. "They seem to have taken away the class of the game. They
don't seem to dress so nicely. That's what I don't like."

Is this the quote in the 60s that you're referring to?. If something
else, please let us know.

Lance